Westboro Baptist Church Burns The Koran
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Sep 11, 2010 @ 6:59pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Sep 11, 2010 @ 7:40pm |
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I think I'm doing it wrong. I have to say, though, he's got a lot of good points; people are "offended" that there's a "mosque" (actually a community center with a small chapel that was being planed for a few years before 9/11) yet no one says anything about all the catholics that love and support the pope (this one who personally helped cover up pedophilia and signed papers to have rapist priests moved across the country and hidden to avoid prosecution) The whole problem with this whole "Burn the Koran Day" thing is that the idea was thought up by a religious person who believes that his religion is better than their religion. The problem isn't Muslims/Islam/The Koran, the problem is ALL religions. If we were to have a "Burn every single religious text" day, to be shortly followed by a "Burn every single place of religious worship" day, THAT I could get behind. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sat Sep 11, 2010 @ 7:44pm |
 Coolness: 93485 | so this guy hates fags, Muslims, Catholics, america, whores, the troops, americans, pedophiles, catholic priests, president obama, and jews???
Isnt burning the american flag against the law in america? And who exactly made this video? I thought the official burning was off? [ www.cbc.ca ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psykotropik replied on Sat Sep 11, 2010 @ 7:53pm |
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The Westboro Baptist Church is just a bunch of real-life trolls. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Sat Sep 11, 2010 @ 9:35pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sat Sep 11, 2010 @ 11:28pm |
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Isnt burning the american flag against the law in america? no.. flag burning is a heated debate but is presently protected by the first amendment of the constitution... see united state v. eichman... for the fucking asshole who protest the center near ground zero well they are wrong.. the iman behind that project is for interfaith brotherhood and is a great man promoting peace and understanding... these asshole forget that the usa have been built constitutionally by people wanting freedom of religion well in that matter they need to realized that should apply to ALL religions, islam included... the basic fact that humans have the propriety/quality of mortality salience produce the needs for culture therefore religion.. that's what make us different from animals.. so well.. religions is not about to disappear tomorrow.. personally i don't ave any problem with spirituality or organized religion in a very secular society.. and as we already argued here i think atheism is a form of belief as much as the belief of a superior entity.. truth can only be possible through agnosticism.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 2:54am |
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" Westboro Baptist Church Burns The KorEan " Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
and as we already argued here i think atheism is a form of belief as much as the belief of a superior entity.. truth can only be possible through agnosticism.. Atheism is NOT A form of belief... I don't understand how people can't grasp the concept of "a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings." NOT BELIEVING IN ANYTHING/SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE ITSELF INTO A BELIEF. wow. really. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 10:47am |
| Coolness: 93485 | Originally Posted By TREY
bloody hell I read " Westboro Baptist Church Burns The KorEan " Atheism is NOT A form of belief... I don't understand how people can't grasp the concept of "a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings." NOT BELIEVING IN ANYTHING/SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE ITSELF INTO A BELIEF. wow. really. I'm with Betty Haze on this one. Believing in nothing, is in fact a belief in nothing. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ravedave replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 10:55am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 11:03am |
 Coolness: 106105 | Believing in an invisible metaphysical being requires the suspension of our rational thinking. Whereas admitting that there is no proof whatsoever of its existence is not a belief at all but critical thinking. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 2:42pm |
| Coolness: 158725 | believing that there's no superior entiity can't be proved as much as a god can't be proved.
admitting no proof of a superior entity is not atheism.. and yeah i agree that is critical thinking... but stating that there is no god is as strong of a statement and belief that stating that there is a god. anyhow there is various forms of atheism and agnosticism... but stating that there is no god is as foolish as stating that there is one in my opinion.. i'm humble enough to think that i don't know if there is one or not.. and living with the angst that goes with it... now tell me, if it's not a belief; what is your proof that there is no god? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 2:45pm |
| Coolness: 685580 | There's a dragon in my garage.
The Dragon In My Garage
by Carl Sagan "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage" Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity! "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon. "Where's the dragon?" you ask. "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon." You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints. "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless." You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible. "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved." Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon. Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all. Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion. Update » Screwhead wrote on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 2:50pm I would also like to add that god has proven his existence before.
1 kings 18:16-40
16 So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. 17 When he saw Elijah, he said to him, "Is that you, you troubler of Israel?" 18 "I have not made trouble for Israel," Elijah replied. "But you and your father's family have. You have abandoned the LORD's commands and have followed the Baals. 19 Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table." 20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him." But the people said nothing. 22 Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only one of the LORD's prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire—he is God." Then all the people said, "What you say is good." 25 Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire." 26 So they took the bull given them and prepared it. Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. "O Baal, answer us!" they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made. 27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened." 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention. 30 Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come here to me." They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the LORD, which was in ruins. 31 Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, "Your name shall be Israel." 32 With the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs [a] of seed. 33 He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, "Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood." 34 "Do it again," he said, and they did it again. "Do it a third time," he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench. 36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, O LORD, answer me, so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again." 38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench. 39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!" 40 Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there. So why doesn't he do it now? It's recorded in "history" that god can and has proven that he exists. Why doesn't he do it now? Why can no "prophet of the lord" ANYWHERE show anyone a single, tiny HINT of proof that god exists? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 3:55pm |
| Coolness: 106105 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
believing that there's no superior entiity can't be proved as much as a god can't be proved. // now tell me, if it's not a belief; what is your proof that there is no god? Dont make me whip out my "Flying Spaghetti Monster" argument... Its useless to try and prove or disprove something that only exists in our imaginations. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 5:28pm |
| Coolness: 158725 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Its useless to try and prove or disprove something that only exists in our imaginations. yeah that's why humans try to understand life and their existence since the beginning of time... but you are so smart you have it figure it all.. you are so sure that it's kind of sad. for someone who was promoting cultural relativism in the throwing puppies thread i find that you are pretty self righteous and think having the hold on the absolute truth when it comes to the divine questions. are you confused? :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 5:45pm |
| Coolness: 106105 | Profoundly and delightfully confused some times.
:) Humans have an inherent need for a god, or gods, or a goddess, or a flying spaghetti monsters. It's of every culture and has been like that for as far as we can remember... I blame magic mushrooms :P Update » databoy wrote on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 6:25pm The fact that the various gods have been promoted politically as a means to influence and motivate the believers, might have something to do. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Twincam replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 7:27pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 7:30pm |
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truth can only be possible through agnosticism.. agreed. agnosticism all the way. both my parents were raised oldschool Catholic in Ireland - especially my dad. in his village his sister - my aunt - went and joined a convent when she was 18 and has been a Nun ever since. and over there, back in those days, becoming a priest or a nun was like becoming a doctor or a lawyer.. very respected vocation. so as soon as he left home for university he rejected all that and became atheist. Now he's very contemptuous of any notion of religion. but I think that's just reactionary. how can anyone claim to know whether or not there is a God or gods? I think the truly wise person concedes that they cannot know ... and I know I've personally experienced enough freaky shit that I know there is definitely occurences beyond the realm of what can be explained by science. it all makes sense of course, it's just beyond human comprehension. I liken it to a cat watching TV. It might, for example, see a show about birds on the screen. So it sees the real images of the birds flying around in the jungle, and it gets all interested. but it can't possibly fathom the vast network of people running the TV station broadcast those images, let alone the science behind it. so I think humans are much the same. we think we know what is going on, but really we can only speculate what the big picture is. so for me I just subscribe to a blend of Taosim and animism with a little zen buddhism.. I believe there is energy flowing a certain way, and you can use it to your advantage or detriment - if you learn to go with the force, you'll thrive. if you go against it, it's gonna break you. and I believe there could possibly be entities and forces out there, some forces maybe were once human, and others that have been around before humans existed. I just really don't know, but I know some things you don't wanna fuck around with - lol. and I basically believe in treating other people as you would want to be treated. The world is overrun with hypocritical douchebags, so I try not to be one of em. and speaking of hyprocritcal douchebags.. that leads me back to the main topic at hand... this whole threat of burning the Qu'ran because of a Mosque being built near the WTC site.. fucking retarded. first of all.. anyone who publicly desecrates the Qu'ran and makes a point of insulting Islam must be tired of living - lol. there's far more peaceful ways of commiting suicide. second - it just adds fuel to the fire and polarizees people even more. makes Europeans and North Americans and Christians everywhere even more likely to be targeted by extremists. but mainly - it's fucking surreal that almost 10 years later, Islam is still being blamed for what could only have been a military strike, from the inside. Osama Bin Laden issued a statement 2 days after 9/11. I would post the article here but it's gone. Google search used to bring up the original Sept. 14th CNN article but someone deleted it, I guess. I should have saved it. anyway. Bin Laden emphatically denied any involvement in the 9/11 attacks. He clearly stated - in his own words - that the attacks were orchestrated "by a state within a state in the US government". |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 7:55pm |
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if they like setting fires in the name of religion so much, someone should teach 'em about Self-immolation ... XD |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 8:54pm |
| Coolness: 106105 | Originally Posted By TWINCAM
My God has a bigger dick than your God! My god IS a bigger dick than your god |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sun Sep 12, 2010 @ 9:36pm |
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I think I'm doing it wrong. I lol'ed :D Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
The whole problem with this whole "Burn the Koran Day" thing is that the idea was thought up by a religious person who believes that his religion is better than their religion. The problem isn't Muslims/Islam/The Koran, the problem is ALL religions. If we were to have a "Burn every single religious text" day, to be shortly followed by a "Burn every single place of religious worship" day, THAT I could get behind. You might be on to something ;) |
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