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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Mon Aug 31, 2009 @ 2:40am |
 Coolness: 108810 | I know a guy that have a clothing store, he pays 18-22$ for a shirt "made" in America (I'm pretty sure not the fabric) and he was trying to develop his line from china, at a small amount for that business it would've cost him 6$ so a chain would've paid not even half that.
If you're a business person, you'll quickly see that ethics cost quite a lot. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Aug 31, 2009 @ 3:19am |
 Coolness: 106120 | Locally made clothes are often cheaper than trendy brands made in China. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Mon Aug 31, 2009 @ 4:16am |
 Coolness: 166580 | yea well that's all in marketing... if they know they can sell it... why not. people are easily influenced to pay lots of money just for a logo, uhh, some kind or prestige it gives them, some identity... but it's based on nothing else than marketing, really... i don't blame the companies for doing it, it's the way capitalism works and we live right in it... but the fashion victims who fall in that trap though... ugh :p
with ethical wear you still have a logo, an identification, but it has a whole other meaning, deeper roots... and it's a lot closer to something like 'fair-trade' because the money don't just go in the bank accounts of the company. hm thinking of it, buying the stuff made in china that is expensive is actually giving a job to all those people doing the marketing as well, so not all the money goes into the bank account of the guy running the company... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Sep 1, 2009 @ 11:08am |
 Coolness: 159125 | Yeah well, I concur with Databoy.
I purchased a t-shirt made in Quebec a few years ago and my made in Taiwan shirts far outlived it. The quebec one used fucking cheap cotton that shrunk and got warped after two times in the dryer. Using super cheap sweatshop cotton & selling me a "made in Taiwan" t-shirt at 8$ = getting ripped off. Using super cheap sweatshop cotton & selling me a "made in Quebec" t-shirt at 27$ = are you fucking kidding me ? Man, I felt so good and ethical about myself by getting fucking ripped off locally. I would've felt much more ethical to fly to Indonesia and giving the sweatshop kids that 27$ instead of giving it to a guy with a Mercedes who lives on fucking Île-des-Soeurs. Now I'm not generalizing but I can testify that it is possible to go local and getting way more ripped off. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 10:42am |
| Coolness: 106120 | Thats not what i meant... let me rephrase: Locally made clothes are often less expensive than trendy brands made in China. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» puresexmegs replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 1:02pm |
 Coolness: 48735 | And also alot of sweat shops employees if they wern't working in the sweat shop could be sucking dick for change. Things could be worse is all Im saying then working in a sweat shop over there |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 4:05pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Exactly.
And it's a concept that's hard to understand for some westerners. It may appear to us as though they are working in extremely crappy conditions because the error that we are doing is comparing OUR working conditions with theirs. You can't really do that. I mean, when was the last time a sweatshop employee in India threw a fit because he didn't have an ergonomic chair and keyboard and decided to complain to the union about carpal tunnel syndrome and such ? Not only that but despite what appears to be excessively low wages, most of them make enough to provide for their family. Most of them are even glad to have a job, period. Is their work conditions ethical ? I don't know but I find maybe it's not our place to judge how things are done over there. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 4:14pm |
| Coolness: 106120 | Originally Posted By KEVIN_FLYNN
Is their work conditions ethical ? I don't know but I find maybe it's not our place to judge how things are done over there. Just as well have our slaves working in some far away land. Far from our code of ethics. It's more convenient that way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» puresexmegs replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 5:19pm |
| Coolness: 48735 | No but in a way nto supoprting sweat shops could enforce more to be on the streets/ sucking dick for change.
Look at call centres. People get screamed and sworn,threats at, thats not really ethical to have companies allow that. But it happens. I think that even though west is different , i dont say its something we should think is acceptable but its a hell of alot better then a alternative and i know they feel that for sure. Like find stuff to sell in the garbage dump, make things, sell and crop livestock and vegetables/fruit or sweatshop........ or suck dick? i choose anything but dick imo |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 5:26pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Indeed, they could choose NOT to work in sweatshops because of the ethical implications and just become full time hobos, panhandling for crumbs because they're too poor to get an education which will get them better paid jobs.
I have more respect for people in sweatshops than I do people who spend their entire fucking lives on welfare scratching their asses here. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 7:34pm |
| Coolness: 106120 | How would you like it if your only choices in life was to work in a factory/sweatshop or suck dick/be a hobo?
If only they had access to the stuff that they make, but they dont and most likely never will. All there work is for us. So we can have access to comfort. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Wed Sep 2, 2009 @ 8:22pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
How would you like it if your only choices in life was to work in a factory/sweatshop or suck dick/be a hobo? Having worked in a factory for 8 years, I prefer that to sucking dick, trust me. I dunno why there is such a negative view here about factory work. I'd go back there anytime before mopping a McDonald's floor, let me tell ya. Besides, how many other choices do you have if you come from a poor family of farmers in a remote region with no money to attend any sort of school and get a decent education, afford to move to the city, afford to rent an apartment in a city where you could potentially find work, can't find work because you can't read or write but you are a hard and devoted worker and you want to make enough money to send to your father for medical supplies for your sick mother way out in the boonies where you come from when the nearest hospital - who doesn't even have an ambulance - is so far away just moving your mother might kill her ? In certain cases, work in a factory is a godsent. Everybody behaves like factory workers are kidnapped from villages, carted away in cages and chained to their workstations with no food for weeks. Sure, their conditions could be vastly improved but most of them aren't kept there against their will. They don't make nearly enough as much as they should but hey, at least it pays enough for food, shelter and pride. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 10:33am |
| Coolness: 166580 | food... shelter.. pride?
pride? anyways. fair-trade stuff made in those countries offer the workers better work conditions. can be the same price or a little more expensive, but you know the money you pay is actually going to the workers, not to just one person, or to five of six different 'companies' along the way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 10:44am |
| Coolness: 106120 | Originally Posted By KEVIN_FLYNN
Having worked in a factory for 8 years, I prefer that to sucking dick, trust me. I dunno why there is such a negative view here about factory work. I'd go back there anytime before mopping a McDonald's floor, let me tell ya. Are you seriously comparing factories in Canada and factories in the 3rd world? Do you think workers/peoples have any kind of rights in those companies, in those country's? You saying that you would sooner work in a factory in Bangladesh than work at McDonalds here in Canada? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 12:42pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Are you seriously comparing factories in Canada and factories in the 3rd world? Erm, no. I guess I'm not obvious enough. The whole point about what I wrote is that you CAN'T compare both. You can't compare working conditions HERE with those OVER THERE. There's a lot of stuff over there that WE find unacceptable according to OUR standards but it might be common practice over there, that's all I'm saying. We're comparing north-american working conditions with 3rd world ones... it's just NOT the same. I can't find any other way to get my point across. Originally Posted By DATABOY
Do you think workers/peoples have any kind of rights in those companies, in those country's? Who the fuck knows ? I can't certainly claim to know, I haven't been to an asian factory... but then again, I'm presuming none of us here did either. So how can you know with certainty they DON'T ? You are behaving exactly like everyone else I know and again assuming people in these factories get FORCED to work there as if it was feudal times and they were kidnapped by ninjas overnight, taken away without their families knowledge and chained to their workstations never to be seen again. If anything, their families are forcing them to go work at an early age for companies well known for poor working conditions. Shouldn't we be blaming their greedy parents for literally SELLING their children to factories instead ? It's like blaming the Casino for people who waste all their money there. It's there, it's evil but it's not like anyone's forcing people to go and spend their entire paychecks there. We get vacation time here according to agreements with companies and the government but what if it's not standard practice over there ? No days off ? Sounds unethical, doesn't it ? Sure does... according to OUR work standards. Is it considered unethical for people over there not to have days off or was it implied during the hiring process and most workers said "sir, I understand I can't take any sick days, I really need the money and this job, I can do without sick days" ? Sounds scary but... what if some of these workers consciously relinquished such rights for a stable job ? Would that be so hard to accept ? Originally Posted By DATABOY
You saying that you would sooner work in a factory in Bangladesh than work at McDonalds here in Canada? In context, that phrase was about the negative stigma of factory work, period. I wasn't comparing working in a factory in BANGLADESH vs Mickey Dees HERE, if you check carefully. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 1:10pm |
| Coolness: 106120 | What does your factory work experience have to do with sucking dick then?
In short, what happened in these "developing country's" is that their local economies (farms, resources...) where replaced by export economies. Meaning almost all of the production is exported to a developed country in exchange for money, just enough to buy processed foods from these developed country's (money that is often intercepted by puppet gouvernments, put in place to serve the needs of the investing company's). These country's become slaves to this system, and dependent on imported foods to survive. Sure, pull out the factories now and the country is in big trouble, but these peoples wherent prostitutes before the factories, they where farmers in independent nations living sustainably for the past millenia. For the most part. Who the fuck knows? It's not like the information isn't out there and accessible, hell, this isn't the dark ages... or is it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 2:38pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
What does your factory work experience have to do with sucking dick then? Erm, as my initial phrase was, you said "How would you like it if your only choices in life was to work in a factory/sweatshop or suck dick/be a hobo? " and I answered that I preferred working in a factory than sucking dick. Then, maybe I should've started the next phrase in a different paragraph because all I did was reflect on how some people seem to think that working in a factory is one of the lowest forms of employment one can have when in fact, after experiencing it, it's not so bad. Hope this clears things up a bit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 2:44pm |
| Coolness: 106120 | You missed the point of my question, I wasnt asking you if you would rather one or the other.
I was asking you if you would appreciate it if your only choices in life where between factory work and prostitution. What does freedom mean to you? having the luxury of choosing between slave labor and prostitution? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Sep 3, 2009 @ 3:09pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
You missed the point of my question, I wasnt asking you if you would rather one or the other. I was asking you if you would appreciate it if your only choices in life where between factory work and prostitution. What does freedom mean to you? having the luxury of choosing between slave labor and prostitution? Shit dude. You are absolutely right. My bad. :( So ok, on this, yeah I agree that when the choices are that limited, your quality of life isn't necessarily going to be anywhere near stellar. |
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