What'S Wrong With The World Today?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moohk replied on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 3:55am |
 Coolness: 69280 | .... is it typical and/or is it cowardly for people to project any anxious self-conscious inherent weaknesses onto others and/or (maybe less cowardly) face the fact that their identity is made up of these weaknesses -- but then grandiloquently label this condition 'the Human Condition', post their nothingness problem, which horrifies them, as a philosophical dilemma, thereby giving stature to their (so-called) animalism, and proceed to prattle on pompously about the `Essence of Being', etc... Update » moohk wrote on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 4:24am besides :
a) killing yourself, and/or b) suggesting or encouraging others to kill themselves, and/or c) (only if you have the privilege of, muffin) *deciding* not to 'keep thinking about all that kinda shit all the time'- it seems like you could also : d) keep thinking about stuff, make connections and form an analysis, and make efforts to change things that you feel are unjust. eg.) linking the struggle against police brutality to the struggle against the criminalization of immigrants -- and, in addition to justice for sean bell and other specific cases, you could try and articulate, organize and call for an end to racist & militarized policing of our communities; the creation of a permanent independent prosecutor for all cases of police brutality in NYC (or perhaps more pertinent, your own local community); and increased efforts for community control of our safety through creation of community cop watch patrols and 'know your rights'-type work. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 4:19am |
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yeah, but I'm gonna need a tazer to splice into mine 
You know. Now I'm really curious about this, and you've got me into thinking about adding a flame thrower into the mix. I think that would be the shit right there. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 4:34am |
 Coolness: 685810 | go back and read the last 1/3 of the page |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 9:31am |
 Coolness: 178865 | heh Mookh, I like your post :)
I know I suck at social stuffs. This is how I am, maybe if things happened differently I'd have better social skills. So I don't see myself being Mother Tereza or something, helping everyone. Of course, I try to help my friends and family. But when I hear about evil stuff happening, the thing is that it affects me too much. So I can't help people if I'm going insane from all that I hear. I just want everyone to be happy, because I know what's it like to be traumatized and it sucks. But I know it's impossible, I'm no psychologist or humanitarian, so I try to concentrate more on people I know. And, of course, I do my best to care for environment, because it's us, we're all part of this system, if we destroy it we destroy ourselves too. ^__^ You know, recycling, trying to eat things from here, not using cars, trying to make people realize how much it's important, etc... I guess it's small things, but I'm not sure I can do more, you know, big revolutions and all. At least I'm doing something. :/ Maybe if everyone do the same, and stop looking for profit and power, things work better? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 1:05pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DonLouis replied on Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 1:09pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Tue Apr 29, 2008 @ 2:07am |
 Coolness: 266175 | What's wrong with our world right now?
Not enough cowbell and masturbation. Fuckin' freaks. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Tue Apr 29, 2008 @ 8:04am |
| Coolness: 178865 | j'avoue que tu as raison pour le cowbell ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Apr 29, 2008 @ 8:37am |
 Coolness: 145420 | Originally Posted By MOOHK .... IS IT TYPICAL AND/OR IS IT COWARDLY FOR PEOPLE TO PROJECT ANY ANXIOUS SELF-CONSCIOUS INHERENT WEAKNESSES ONTO OTHERS AND/OR (MAYBE LESS COWARDLY) FACE THE FACT THAT THEIR IDENTITY IS MADE UP OF THESE WEAKNESSES -- BUT THEN GRANDILOQUENTLY LABEL THIS CONDITION 'THE HUMAN CONDITION', POST THEIR NOTHINGNESS PROBLEM, WHICH HORRIFIES THEM, AS A PHILOSOPHICAL DILEMMA, THEREBY GIVING STATURE TO THEIR (SO-CALLED) ANIMALISM, AND PROCEED TO PRATTLE ON POMPOUSLY ABOUT THE `ESSENCE OF BEING', ETC...
besides : a) killing yourself, and/or b) suggesting or encouraging others to kill themselves, and/or c) (only if you have the privilege of, muffin) *deciding* not to 'keep thinking about all that kinda shit all the time'- it seems like you could also : d) keep thinking about stuff, make connections and form an analysis, and make efforts to change things that you feel are unjust. eg.) linking the struggle against police brutality to the struggle against the criminalization of immigrants -- and, in addition to justice for sean bell and other specific cases, you could try and articulate, organize and call for an end to racist & militarized policing of our communities; the creation of a permanent independent prosecutor for all cases of police brutality in NYC (or perhaps more pertinent, your own local community); and increased efforts for community control of our safety through creation of community cop watch patrols and 'know your rights'-type work. this is the problem with you people on the 'left', you think everyone wants to be like you and be political, this just isn't the case, some of us (like me) are just anti political, it doesn't make us indifferent or appathetic or worse still selfish, i don't want to try to change things, i don't want to try to make things better, i don't want to make a 'difference'. What i do want to do is make art and make fun of this place as much as possible, i don't want to live political life i want to live esthetic life. fuck politics and fuck this world, it's not worth saving, the world will be better without us. Believing in things is for tools, if you believe in things especially political things you've been had your a sucker, nothing ever gets resolved we've been fighting over the same things politically for nearly 2500 years. We haven't got anywhere, why continue to beat ourselves up over this stuff? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Tue Apr 29, 2008 @ 9:07am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Apr 29, 2008 @ 9:17am |
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Basdini: ...and what if something happended in the political scene that stopped you from creating your art? Would you then get involved in order to fight for the one thing you enjoy in life? Would you then be interested in making a difference or would you just find something else to "not beleive in"? -btw, i kinda feel the same way you do, but i also agree with Moohk, so i'm just putting the hypothetical question to you... ( remember kids: there is no right or wrong answer :P ) |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» moohk replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 9:27am |
| Coolness: 69280 | aeriel: werd. i feel like we are pretty much on the same page. you sound totally conscious, caring and loving – and I think the real radical force of revolutionary change begins at ‘home’. like you said, whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. this is the interrelated structure of reality. (even 'aesthetics', as a value, is only meaningful through relation. there is no relation without power, and this is political...). politics is the total complex of relations between people living in society. refusing to acknowledge the responsibility that comes with existing as a human individual does not omit a political existence.
i didn't call anyone selfish or apathetic. the thought does strike me that genuine indifference is impossible, and any so-called apathy during these times is a misnomer - not even a euphemism, but maybe an excuse and/or even disguise for a stark prevalence of complacency. not everyone will admit it in the same capacity, but we do all know that our ancestors did some messed up things, and we also know that things today still aren’t right. what i was trying to emphasize was that 'thinking about things' isn't always about having the *choice* to think. and when we do have choices to make, this is a privilege. freedom is the power of choosing. it is not a 'non-choice' if we don't want to think about what choices we have and what choices we make, as we are still exerting the act of choice. politics is about power. freedom (or lack of) is inherently political. we all relate differently to the social structure, and people are disproportionately forced into positions in which 'thinking about things' is less a matter of choice, and more a matter of survival. so things are not the same for everyone -some people have air conditioning and a university education, and others are displaced from their country of origin, some are in jail, some are sick and surrounded by killing and dying - and these are all related to each other in unjust ways created and maintained by systemic oppression. which doesn’t mean to say that it makes sense to brush off nearly 2500 years by coming to such a narrow conclusion as ‘nothing has changed’ with such a gross overgeneralization as ‘we’ve been fighting over the same things politically’. i agree that it makes no sense to ‘beat ourselves up’ - guilt is nonproductive, and it is nonsensical to apologize for being birthed into a situation we had no part in creating and no choice in joining. likewise, it is absurd to relinquish each our own personal responsibility by appropriating 2500 years of history as your own excuse. i’m no utopist, but i am a believer. and i have reason to believe in life, because the fact that ‘freedom fighting’, in infinitesimal shapes and forms, exists outside, beyond my belief system. what do you mean we haven’t ‘gotten anywhere’? where is it you want to go? beliefs are an unavoidable part of participating in 'reality'. so maybe that makes us all 'suckers'. maybe that's what being a human is? i don't claim to know different. but what is a sucker, if not someone who is a loser - but what competition is being lost? and whose game is it anyways? Update » moohk wrote on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 9:50am and, (if i could just drag out my extremely irregular and uncharacteristic use of a sports reference a bit further...) apparently you have your reasons for feeling totally legitimate in telling me what it is that i think, labeling me as a 'those people on the left', prior to asking me how i myself identify. but why stake out the title of 'art maker' for yourself in opposition to defining me as politico? if that is where you see a dividing line between you and me, then we aren't so different. me too, all i want to do is make art and laugh, even if i define and manifest it differently. my art is my politics, and vice versa.
being a human being, whatever our worldview (or self-proclaimed lack thereof) isn't a sports game. we're kind of all on the same team here, you know? and whether it is true or not that calling oneself apolitical is just another form of collusion, in being human, we are complicit with humanity - whether we 'care' about the threat of our total extinction (which carries with it at least the potential threat of annihilating the planet simultaneously), or not. Update » moohk wrote on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 10:05am -- on approaching political topics, in a public forum : i know that if i keep talking about politics, and i let people know what my positions are, it can become a possibility that everybody who doesn't share the same positions as me will feel alienated. but i know it is politics on my mind. my intention, and what i strive for is to say things in a way that makes it clear that i respect everyone's views, no matter how different they are from mine. i would like to express my opinions without alienating the people who don't have the same opinion as me. participating in a conversation only really makes sense if the intention is to engage. i know that we all deal differently with the things we think of as the most important in our lives. what we think isn't the same as who we are, and ultimately, i think we always have a lot more in common than what separates us.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:29am |
 Coolness: 106335 | Words of wisdom |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:38am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 1:17pm |
 Coolness: 509780 | Originally Posted By DR_JWA
But still, I love my GF, friends and the sun... no premature exit for me 0_o that's not what your gf said!! ooooooooooooooo |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Dr_Jwa replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 1:30pm |
 Coolness: 67200 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY DR_JWA BUT STILL, I LOVE MY GF, FRIENDS AND THE SUN... NO PREMATURE EXIT FOR ME 0_O THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR GF SAID!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sorry I meant yo mama! oooooooooooooo |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lady_A replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 1:34pm |
 Coolness: 96870 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY DR_JWA BUT STILL, I LOVE MY GF, FRIENDS AND THE SUN... NO PREMATURE EXIT FOR ME 0_O THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR GF SAID!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Dude, do I even KNOW you? ooooooooooooooo |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 2:14pm |
 Coolness: 102985 | Wow Moohk, you should post more. We need the random insightful thoughts from time to time here in these forums.
+1 good. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 2:22pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 2:39pm |
 Coolness: 121855 | What's wrong with the world today?
I think you all putted the finger on it without even knowing. Whatever your side...left...right...up...down, who care? The problem is people cant coexist, share or make concession, trying understand each other, ect. By the way, this thread need more cowbell!  |
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