The Us Army At His Best !
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 8:45pm |
 Coolness: 158370 | How the hell did I get into this situation? The only thing I've talked about here is thinking that destroying that car or killing that cattle was disgusting. Oh and that the military forces recruit the very young. The rest of the argument had nothing to do with me, so keep me out of it, M-A-X. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 8:52pm |
 Coolness: 158905 | Heheh there was also this, DrN, which is probably why you got brought into it :)
Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
Originally Posted By Version2minus1
As it ever occured to anyone here how the military works ? Unless you're a admiral or general, you're most likely taking orders somwhere. Now consider any soldier that's there to help innocent people. He receives a DIRECT ORDER to infiltrate a building with a " weapons free " directive and shoot down ANY TARGETS ON SIGHT knowing full well that the building contains civilians. That soldier has 2 choices : 1 - he does his JOB and DUTY as instructed which is to CARRY OUT ANY ORDERS GIVEN TO HIM by his superiors and never discuss decisions made by such officers, and proceeds to enter the building and do his " job " ( suprise ! That's how the army works, buddy ). Results : he slaughtered 5 innocent afghans families. 2 - he DISOBEYS that direct order, gets arrested by the MP, is court martialed and imprisoned. Results : his conscience is clear but he's rotting in jail. Am I the only one who sees the utter FAILURE in this ? Am I the only one who sees a soldier is NOT a single unit, in control of his actions over there ? +1 You are not alone. Thing is, I agree with that as well. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 9:32pm |
| Coolness: 158370 | Ah, okay. Well, I think both are right, actually.
In the sense that soldiers MAY disobey but how many really, really do? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 9:40pm |
| Coolness: 158905 | Not many if soldiers are properly "socialized" (i.e. indoctrinated). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 9:45pm |
 Coolness: 122445 | i dunno about you guys, but i totally feel safer watching all those videos of american soldiers being stupid |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:10pm |
 Coolness: 121770 | You think im delusional cuz I made a peacekeeping scenario, 1 time! and it wasn't the main subject of my post...lol.
Originally Posted By WIZDUMB
i dunno about you guys, but i totally feel safer watching all those videos of american soldiers being stupid LOl, really. A chance nuclear portable weapons dont exist. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:11pm |
 Coolness: 266090 | I don't know about you guys, but I think Max is delusional. ;P
(haha j'te niaise, j'ai lu genre 5 posts dans tout l'thread.. I have no idea what's going on.) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:39pm |
 Coolness: 93630 | I dunno, Dee. I got bored after reading this one, cuz I hate long posts. But this one seemed like a prety logical argument
Originally Posted By M-A-X FOR REGIMENTAL911 IF YOU TALKING ABOUT THE US MARINES ONLY...I AGREE IF YOU TALKING ABOUT OUR ARMY...I HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU: IN 2006, IN CANADA, 605 HOMICIDES HAVE BEEN MADE AND 852 ATTEMPTED MURDER. THESE NUMBERS MOSTLY STAY STABLE EACH YEARS. [ WWW.STATCAN.CA ] IN 2007, THE TOTAL TALIBANS IN AFGHANISTAN KILLED BY ALL THE NATO FORCES(19 COUNTRIES INCLUDING CANADA) KILLED OVER 1 000 TALIBANS. LET'S SAY 1 100 FOR THE RECORD. [ WWW.NEWSMEAT.COM ] LET'S SAY THAT CANADIAN SOLDIERS ARE REALLY FUCKING GOOD AND KILLED 400 OF THEM, EVEN IF IT'S FEWER IN REALITY. OK NOW CALCULATE...NO YOU DONT DREAM! THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE CANADIAN CITIZENS KILLING
their own people by anger, jealousy and violence than canadian soldiers killing enemies, under attack, in a hot warzone. Wait, what im gonna say?! Our society its all bad?! THEY FUCKIN KILL PEOPLE, show me 1 good citizen and i'll show you 5 000 000 shitty ones? or who's making fuckin bad publicity after all? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:52pm |
| Coolness: 158905 | Originally Posted By GAMOS
I dunno, Dee. I got bored after reading this one, cuz I hate long posts. But this one seemed like a prety logical argument Originally Posted By M-A-X For Regimental911 If you talking about the US marines only...I agree If you talking about our army...I have something to show you: In 2006, in Canada, 605 homicides have been made and 852 attempted murder. These numbers mostly stay stable each years. [ www.statcan.ca ] In 2007, the total talibans in Afghanistan killed by ALL the NATO forces(19 countries including Canada) killed over 1 000 talibans. Let's say 1 100 for the record. [ www.newsmeat.com ] Let's say that canadian soldiers are really fucking good and killed 400 of them, even if it's fewer in reality. Ok now calculate...No you dont dream! There's actually more canadian citizens killing their own people by anger, jealousy and violence than canadian soldiers killing enemies, under attack, in a hot warzone. Wait, what im gonna say?! Our society its all bad?! THEY FUCKIN KILL PEOPLE, show me 1 good citizen and i'll show you 5 000 000 shitty ones? or who's making fuckin bad publicity after all?
I dunno, that one was pretty much where I blew a fuse. That being said, I have to apologize, M-A-X, for calling you delusional. I'll just say that argument is pretty flawed :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:53pm |
| Coolness: 121770 | Originally Posted By DRGONZO
haha j'te niaise, j'ai lu genre 5 posts dans tout l'thread.. I have no idea what's going on. Ben en gros, j'parlais de la stupidité des soldats de la US army montré dans les vidéos pis ya du monde qui ont essayer de mettre les soldats canadiens dans le même panier, ste j'ai pas aimé parce que c'était pas vrai. Ya aussi eux des suppositions et du devinage sur la job. J'ai expliqué de manière constructive et argumenté sur certain points qui avait pas rapport du tout...pis là, ya n'a qui sont pas content. BEN QUI PLEURENT! lol Parce que tsé Dee, je suis tellement une machine à tuer en overdose de testosterone qui massacre des civils innocents chaque jours... ;-) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:57pm |
| Coolness: 93630 | Originally Posted By MASA
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY GAMOS I DUNNO, DEE. I GOT BORED AFTER READING THIS ONE, CUZ I HATE LONG POSTS. BUT THIS ONE SEEMED LIKE A PRETY LOGICAL ARGUMENT I DUNNO, THAT ONE WAS PRETTY MUCH WHERE I BLEW A FUSE. THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE, M-A-X, FOR CALLING YOU DELUSIONAL. I'LL JUST SAY THAT ARGUMENT IS PRETTY FLAWED :) ORIGINALLY POSTED BY M-A-X FOR REGIMENTAL911 IF YOU TALKING ABOUT THE US MARINES ONLY...I AGREE IF YOU TALKING ABOUT OUR ARMY...I HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU: IN 2006, IN CANADA, 605 HOMICIDES HAVE BEEN MADE AND 852 ATTEMPTED MURDER. THESE NUMBERS MOSTLY STAY STABLE EACH YEARS. [ WWW.STATCAN.CA ] IN 2007, THE TOTAL TALIBANS IN AFGHANISTAN KILLED BY ALL THE NATO FORCES(19 COUNTRIES INCLUDING CANADA) KILLED OVER 1 000 TALIBANS. LET'S SAY 1 100 FOR THE RECORD. [ WWW.NEWSMEAT.COM ] LET'S SAY THAT CANADIAN SOLDIERS ARE REALLY FUCKING GOOD AND KILLED 400 OF THEM, EVEN IF IT'S FEWER IN REALITY. OK NOW CALCULATE...NO YOU DONT DREAM! THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE CANADIAN CITIZENS KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE BY ANGER, JEALOUSY AND VIOLENCE THAN CANADIAN SOLDIERS KILLING ENEMIES, UNDER ATTACK, IN A HOT WARZONE. WAIT, WHAT IM GONNA SAY?! OUR SOCIETY ITS ALL BAD?! THEY FUCKIN KILL PEOPLE, SHOW ME 1 GOOD CITIZEN AND I'LL SHOW YOU 5 000 000 SHITTY ONES? OR WHO'S MAKING FUCKIN BAD PUBLICITY AFTER ALL? nvm. I thought max was saying 654 suicides in the forces. Thus they were so sad of killing afgans that they killed themselves. Clearly that is not the case. HOw did i misread that? Yeah max. The fact that 2000 soldiers in afganistan killed 400 taliban and countless civilians compared to 30MIL normal canadians who killed 650 people...thats not a very good arguement to illustrate that our forces are amazing |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Wed Apr 23, 2008 @ 10:59pm |
| Coolness: 158905 | Originally Posted By M-A-X
Originally Posted By DrGonzo
haha j'te niaise, j'ai lu genre 5 posts dans tout l'thread.. I have no idea what's going on. Ben en gros, j'parlais de la stupidité des soldats de la US army montré dans les vidéos pis ya du monde qui ont essayer de mettre les soldats canadiens dans le même panier, ste j'ai pas aimé parce que c'était pas vrai. Ya aussi eux des suppositions et du devinage sur la job. J'ai expliqué de manière constructive et argumenté sur certain points qui avait pas rapport du tout...pis là, ya n'a qui sont pas content. BEN QUI PLEURENT! lol Parce que tsé Dee, je suis tellement une machine à tuer en overdose de testosterone qui massacre des civils innocents chaque jours... ;-) Me souviens pas que personne t'ait comparé à une machine à tuer en overdose de testostérone :) Preuve que le sujet est p-ê un peu trop proche de toi ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 12:38am |
| Coolness: 121770 | Yeah but the 33 millions* Canadians citizens are not in a war zone. It was more to show that soldiers(ours) are not more "murderer" than normal people. 654 suicides in the forces?! Where exactly? huh?! NATO forces? Canadian forces? Since 2002 or 2005? Be a little more specific and with offical numbers plz. Yes it have suicide in the forces, it's not new. But it cant be 654 for 2007...or it will mean that more than 1/3 of the total forces deployed killed themself, lol.
And you should read my post again...I never said, A FACT that 2500* soldiers killed 400 talibans. I said "Let's say that canadian soldiers are really fucking good and killed 400 of them(of the official over 1,000)". That was my own supposion not a fact. Ok folks, understand this; stop trying to guess "The way it work" or trying to teach me what's the difference between a Strategy and a Tactic when I perfectly know what is it(do you?), its pointless, you'll shoot yourself in the foot...manner of speaking, hehe. Yes, im expert in the subject, it's my terrain...im in the military since 4 years. For the question of morality, we can talk about it another 30 pages if you want but its a question of point of view and personal belief of each one. Can you agree about this one? Back to US armed force. It's look like their Navy have some difficulties too. Hehe |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 12:55am |
| Coolness: 158905 | Nah, Gamos got his numbers out of his ass.
But for the record, you were the one trying to prove your case with numbers ;) (and not really reliable ones at that, but I'll agree that these "official" records are pretty much the best we can get from a "war zone" and a puppet government). So yeah, it IS a question of point of view and personal beliefs and I'll keep mine to myself from now on. But I'll say one last thing: military blunders and abuse of power is not limited to the US Army, those made by Canadian Forces (and all other military forces around the world) are perhaps simply less visible. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 12:59am |
| Coolness: 93630 | What numbers? I said I misread his post, and saw 605 deaths as 654 suicides. And 2500 Canadian forces in afgan land....yes that was out of my ass. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 9:31am |
 Coolness: 102900 | Actually 2 500 is the correct number. 22 soldiers of 2 500 died last year.( august 2006-2007 ).
As for now, there might be less. But i think there is 1 000 in Kandahar. The French are ( promising )sending some troops in East Afghan, and the Americans should be relieved there and send some of theirs to help Canada in Kandahar. Kandahar is a volatile region. Quebec is pacifist because the province didn't want to fight for the British Empire way back then.  |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 9:50am |
 Coolness: 134405 | k i stopped reading after i was called naive and closed minded.
for not wanting people to commit murder. werd up MAX your a genius homie. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 9:52am |
 Coolness: 685725 | It's amazing how it's always perfectly round numbers of casualties. Do people at war have some sort of quota to meet, or do they just round the number off?
And if they round the number off, which way is it? If they round up, well, there weren't REALLY that many deaths, and that's a pretty bad thing to do; it's like telling other people you got 500 kills in Unreal Tournament, when really you got 483. Exageration makes you look like a douche. And if they round the numbers down, what the fuck? If 2512 people were actually killed, what, did the last 12 not count? Were they not human enough to be factored in, considering they lost their lives fighting in a war? Are soldiers really just statistics, or do they count as human beings? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 10:04am |
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It's funny how Canadians don't like when their Army fights. Why bother having an army at all? I, honestly, don't have an opinion on whether Canadians Forces should stay or not in Afghanistan, but i do think that Canada should drop out of NATO. EDIT: oh yeah check the numbers... US has what 140 000 troops in Irak and as much as maybe 100 000 PMC ( Private Military Contractors.. aka Mercenaries. Let me check the actual figures on PMC and US forces...). Imagine if they had that in Afghanistan, the "reconstruction" job would have been finish long ago. Update » Trey wrote on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 10:39am okay got it. At the end of Rumsfeld reign, there was 100 000 private contractors in Iraq, almost 1 to 1 ratio to US soldiers.
source: Renae Merle " Census counts 100 000 contractors in Iraq" Washington Post, December 5, 2006. So now with the surge, US forces should be higher. And as for the PMCs... it's hard to find the exact number... US gov don't exactly tell the world or even its own citizen about this. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 10:42am |
| Coolness: 134405 | i agree,no army at [ all.ca ] they cant accomplish shit anyway. |
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