We Need A New Word For Live Set.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 2:24pm |
 Coolness: 134275 | cause triggering your ableton and pushing buttons on your drum machine IS NOT LIVE.
can we call it tryin real hard, or step up from dj'ing or Kinda liveish. just not LIVE. pick up a guitar ,find a drummer and rehearse more than yourself ,and then go ahead and call your stuff live . rant |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 2:34pm |
 Coolness: 159125 | TONIGHT AT THE CHILL MONTREAL !
TRYING REAL HARD on stage ! DJ Wood ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 2:34pm |
 Coolness: 2603990 | not live but maybe the same as playing vinyls... and it's live because it's in the now... i mean at least when you're pushing the buttons chances are you're using the music you made... well hopefully... not everyone can press dubplates!!! i guess a dj set would be live also in a way but I'm sure in ableton you can pick and choose stuff, and do stuff on the now (never used it)... when you watch a porn it was live at one point but while your watching it, chances are it's no longer live.
want live, goto bal en blanc hehe... i'm sure they will have multiple people with electric guitars playing over the techno... it's a show!!! hehe... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 2:36pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | I wish we called it a LIVE because the people playing are currently being fed 10 000 watts of electricity. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:00pm |
 Coolness: 84940 | If its not live sequencing, then its pretty much just runnin through a playlist. By the same token, final scratch: live or grey area? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:01pm |
 Coolness: 140690 | well.... i still think pushing buttons on pads is live... not cuz its not acoustic that it aint live yeh |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:11pm |
 Coolness: 282460 | No it isn't live, because we're talking about Live instruments.
Live performances are different, as long as it's being created NOW as in you're watching it being created, not just hearing some set list.. then it's live electronic, no doubt...but Reggie is right, this bang on your drum pad while jagoffs run through the set on a laptop is not live, you have to seriously break the set apart and make it your own, not just taking apart and rebuilding the tune in front of ppl, thats just boring... it must be mixed well, and done in a way that doesn't resemble their set from the night before. Otherwise there's nothing live about it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:25pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Gotta agree with that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:27pm |
| Coolness: 84940 | by sequencing, i didnt mean songs, i meant individual parts. (just to clarify) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:30pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Yeah but having almost the entire track sequenced, having a drum pad with a cowbell sample loaded to it and tapping it once every 16th beat isn't hardly LIVE. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:33pm |
 Coolness: 685595 | |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:39pm |
| Coolness: 84940 | Nope, never said it was |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:44pm |
| Coolness: 282460 | Fred, that's rad man...I call that live ;) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 3:49pm |
| Coolness: 159125 | Whoa. THAT video I can honestly say was live. Heh. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 4:04pm |
| Coolness: 685595 | I think the mistake here is in people's interpretation of what consists of a live act. Electronic music, for the most part, is not made by full bands; it's made by pasty white people with a computer monitor tan. Electronic music is pretty much by definition sequenced, recorded, looped and manipulated by electronic devices. Even Kraftwerk now are using Ableton, as opposed to when they started out and they were manualy playing their synths and home-modified drum machines.
Playing electronic music "live" with a band instead of doing it with propper sequencing tends to move it away from the realm of electronic music. Take a look at Pendulum. It's got elements of electronic music, but is it electronic? Fuck no, it's emo-rock with synths. Granted, some people can come out with live bands to do electronic music with instruments live, but all of their recordings and tracks were originaly made with "real" instruments and just set up/sequenced electronicaly and then learned by a band, so it's really just "acoustic" music aranged electronicaly and then performed by a band. Would I consider that DnB? Yeah. Would I consider it electronic music? No. If you're gonna go out and record a rock or metal album, you're going to get a drummer, guitarists, bass player, singer, maybe a synth player, and they're gonna record their parts. Or, you can pull a trent reznor and write/record all of the parts yourself and then just get a band together to play what you've written out on tour, but that was also quite far from being "pure" electronic music. And then there's stuff that's actually electronic; MAYBE a guitar or a bass or a vocalist, but no live instruments. Everything is done on/with drum machines, sequencers plugged into synths (because really, are you gonna get 12 people to play the various synth layers, 2-3 drummers with diffrent kits, etc..?).. The music is written on computers and sequencers, it only makes sense to perform it on computers and sequencers. Most people who are playing live sets with ableton aren't just playing through their songs exactly as the "recorded" versions; they extend parts, use a diffrent drum part here, a diffrent fill there, play with the filters diffrently.. Electronic music, for the most part, is more of a "personal" form of music when it's being created, and it really wouldn't make sense to try and convert something made entirely with sequenced synthesizers and drum machines into a live band, because that's not what the music is about. You want to see instruments and singers and drummers, go to a concert, because you want to see a BAND, not a live electronic set. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 4:11pm |
| Coolness: 134275 | thats a little in depth,all really well thought out.
but doesnt apply here ,cause there aint no one in mtl as good as the links you posted..hehee,i kid,i kid. but all very good points, i just have a stigma against one guy and a laptop and the word live,but thats just my opinion,thought it would make a good heated debate. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Hidra replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 4:18pm |
 Coolness: 88430 | I used to carry a whole car full of gear..no computer...
it was fun, but beleive me, it was a pain in the ass... im damn glad we have ableton now... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 4:18pm |
| Coolness: 685595 | one guy with a laptop re-aranging pre-sequenced stuff and making it sound out of this world is no diffrent than a DMC finalist IMO. He's actually a step up on the DMC guy, because most of them aren't using stuff they've made, they're all using bits and pieces of other people's music and samples and re-aranging them in new and creative ways. The DMC guy is gonna be more impressive to look at, but can he keep up that beat-juggling and body-tricks routine for an hour and actually make it something that people are gonna dance to? Because with electronic music, that's what it breaks down to more than anything: How will the crowd react.
It doesn't matter if you've poured your heart and soul into 1 hour of drums, bass, 12-string acoustic and a microphone; if everyone is standing around with their arms crossed listening to you at a rave, you've just failed miserably. People don't expect/want songs or fancy musisians playing incredibly technical stuff; 90% of the people in the room are completely off their tits on pills, alcohol and booger-sugar; they just want something that they can move to and that's not going to abruptly stop or change tempos or style and kill their drug-induced vibe. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 4:22pm |
| Coolness: 134275 | now your kinda going over music quality a bit now.
i was just saying there should be a different word,cause when i show up to a jam ,and i saw live on the flyer ,and there is a guy with a laptop im dissapointed,regardless of how good he or she is, |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Mar 23, 2008 @ 4:27pm |
| Coolness: 282460 | I actually like that pendulum tune :(
It's better than fuckin, granite. |
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