Carola
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» axel replied on Fri Nov 2, 2007 @ 10:28am |
 Coolness: 83035 | lalla.. did i play good? :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni replied on Fri Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:40pm |
 Coolness: 87595 | Traktor Scratch is just the new version of Final Scratch. Everyone knows that Final Scratch was based on the Traktor interface, just that you could control it with an actual vinyl. The thing definetly does not mix for you. You're still controlling the software using two encoded vynils. Basically, it's the same experience as mixing vinyl, except that you don't have to haul around 50 pounds of records, which is pretty legitimate and understandable if you ask me, especially if you're taking the plane 10 times per month with your stuff to play around the world. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 12:26am |
 Coolness: 149025 | well swayzak played at jazzfest last year, all vinyl. WORST set i've ever heard. but in the last 5 years, plenty of guys, more recently definitely less. i dont think that makes it ok though. can you name one pop band that tours without using backing tracks? theres always something to be said about keepin it real. imo it doesnt matter what program you're using anyways, most people cant tell the fucking difference ie once you use a laptop, you might as well/or could be -using a program that mixes the music for you.. or just pressing play. as far as i'm concerned (and again this is JUST ME) it isn't at all fun to watch a guy mix, and only moderately fun to listen to it, unless he's playing vinyls. and sorry, final scratch doesn't count. again, that's MY opinion. some touring/international guys that come to mind that really keep it real WITHOUT sucking like swayzak are mr. scruff, frankie fucking bones, DAVE the drummer (touring UK DJ spinning only vinyl), hatcha, benga, skream OBVIOUSLY (all UK) and the dubstep world in general, john selway, damian lazarus, carl fucking craig, alexis azzo, dj assault, on and on, and that's just a very short list of people i've seen in person here in MTL in the last year off the top of my head... the problem is that promoters book people that don't represent, in my opinion, and more and more the real DJs are going back underground, just like real jazz or real live music gets pushed aside for lame big stadium pop and rock acts, in an industry where the backing track and stage artifice is now standard operating procedure, that's the real issue... but whatever, to those who know, you know.... bliss, you know i love you and i dont mean to attack you, cause i know you play lots of CDs now, but i least i fucking KNOW you kill it cause i seen you mix enough times with vinyl, but with CDs you NEVER KNOW. a dude could fool everyone if he really wanted to, no problem, paul van dyke style, just press play and wank. it's easy as pie. and i like trading you CDs for wax, so keep it up heheheh ;)
again that's just my raging conservative opinion |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 1:52am |
 Coolness: 129740 | Obviously anyone can put on a mix cd press play and wank, you can also put an album on your record player press play and wank...I don't really get what your point is aside from insinuating that a guy playing cds might be playing a pre-recorded mix, which would be fairly obvious (and lame) cause he won't see him mixing lol...
Trust me mixing two track together, whether on wax or cd, demands the same amount of attention and skill, you're just using another medium...although honestly I do find mixing wax is easier and more hands on... Anyhow everyone knows I own a massive record collection, that I buy new records every week, sometimes by the thousands...so if a dude has an issue with me playing cds I just tell them: "I can rock wax too, I own decks, I own thousands of records and all the music you're hearing I've bought or traded for legit, so get off my dick and listen to the music" lol... And just to throw one back atcha ;) I'm gonna make a wild assumption that pretty much every international guest that has ever played Mix Thursdays, from Deekline to Dj Assault used a computer or cds... If they did, did you reprimand them and did it have a huge impact on the night? Or were people more preoccupied with the actual music the dj was playing |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Sun Nov 4, 2007 @ 1:10pm |
 Coolness: 83895 | just for the record. didn't deekline play mostly records at saphs?? those c.d. player at saphs is pretty gutter btw... and i don't think i've ever seen assault play c.d.'s??? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DJ_InYourFace replied on Sun Nov 4, 2007 @ 11:09pm |
 Coolness: 43025 | Nah Deekline had the Saphir guys hook up HIS mixer cause he had brought his laptop and his software. So most "dubs" were on hard drive I would guess, but he still controlled them using encoded vinyls. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 2:41am |
| Coolness: 129740 | Encoded vinyls?
Are those like cds, but like sound worse cause its like mp3s and like all your songs on a computer? lol... P.S. When Assault came to Montreal for the first time back in 2001 (Chemistry, Blizzarts, Saturdays), I'm pretty sure he had cds...not that anyone gave a shit |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» davesob replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 2:04pm |
 Coolness: 52975 | Encoded vinyls are the vinyls you use with Traktor scratch or Serato.
In a way I feel like these new technologies coupled with Online music retailers has leveled the playing field for alot of DJs. Local record shops use to keep or distribute most of the new vinyl to friends or big DJs before the average consumer could get to it. So not only did you have to get go to the record store, but you had to make friends with people and go on Thursday night.....And these stores would only buy what they thought would sell in the 1st place, so selection was limited by the buyers decisions. If you tried to order records it was rare that you get them, if you did it was about a month later, and if you wanted something that came out a few months ago or more, it was usually not available anymore. I still havn't made the switch, but probably will within the next few months. Truth is I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 2:49pm |
| Coolness: 149025 | DJ Assault : I played with him three times and he never used anything except vinyl. not a single CD. feel free to read my thread above where i list all the intl' DJs play montreal in the last year using vinyl.
Deekline: plays about 50/50, he did not bring a special mixer (maybe last time) but we made sure to have a good CDJ for him. the last (3rd) time he came to mix thurs. i wasn't there, so I don't know about that. Omni: everyone does not know what Traktor is, how it works, or how Final Scratch or Serrato works. In fact I find a lot of DJs that use these programs don't even understand them that well cause they are used to mixing with vinyls or CDs. When you see a guy like DJ Mana mix with serrato, you understand what I am talking about. No headphones necessary, he only uses one turntable, beatmatching is done visually. again, there is a lot of skill that goes into it, but I am talking about my opinion and my preferences here, I'm willing to accept that I'm being 'old fashioned', just like a death metal fan that doesn't like triggered drums, or a jazz fan that doesn't like electronic synthesizers. I like watching DJs mix on vinyl, point final. Bliss: ironic reading your story about being stuck in verdun with tons of vinyl on your back ,hehehe, THAT's repping it. heheh. sometimes it sucks. one friend of mine had a fire in his apt. this past weekend and lost a lot of his vinyls (condolences, much grief).. another friend had his hard drive short out, and he lost all his original music that he had made, all his source material and shit he was working on, and all the music that he had collected. it's an interesting debate, i know where i stand on it, i already bought the dream. Axel: to be honest man you were probably still in elementary school when i bought my first marco carola record in 1996, i hear you play often enough, and yeah, your set was alright, considering you were playing CDs. whatever. !onelove Update » Czarkastik wrote on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 2:57pm and bliss, I wouldn't "reprimand" a DJ that wasn't using vinyl.. just like I wouldn't haul a performer offstage if I had booked him to play and he used a backing track or something... there's a difference between being a promoter, a DJ, and a critic. Right now I am being a critic, I guess, and expressing my opinion. As a promoter you're selling a product (unfortunately) and you make choices based on what people will enjoy most, and what will appeal to the most possible people (unfortunately), whereas when you're being a critic (thankfully) you don't have to give a fuck what people will think.. I say what I think and try to back it up with some reasons why. In the end though this isn't a "who's right, who's wrong" debate, and nobody should try to turn it into that, I started this as a "this is what I prefer" type point... and it's interesting to see who stands up for what, and why. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» axel replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 3:41pm |
| Coolness: 83035 | hehe i played 50-50... because im poor
in 1996 i was getting in high school :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 4:17pm |
| Coolness: 87595 | Originally Posted By CZARKASTIK
Omni: everyone does not know what Traktor is, how it works, or how Final Scratch or Serrato works. In fact, most people don't even know how to operate a turntable or turn up the volume on a mixer. ;) The bottom line is, what people understand is how to have a good time when they hear good music (but maybe even that is debatable hehe) and they couldn't care less about what technology the DJ is using to play, as long as they enjoy the music. This makes this a DJ debate. We can just notice how the only ones who posted about this here are all DJs. Everyone else doesn't care about the Vinyl vs CD vs Serato debate. ;) We could argue that playing CDs is "less of a show" than playing vinyl. However, you can't blame the medium all that much for that. We just don't use it to its full potential yet. When you see what James Zabiela can do with 3 CDJ-1000s and a Pioneer EFX box, you'll understand how these things can be a really good show as well. There's people out there that can push this stuff further. I still have mixed feelings about all of this, because I still like playing vinyl a lot more than playing CDs, but I'm getting a bit tired of some of its downsides (very costly, very heavy). There's even some of the tracks I play now that are not released on vinyl. I guess I should also say that playing CDs allows me to play my own productions, which I like to do to test out my new material. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 4:22pm |
| Coolness: 149025 | omni, yeah, that's kind of the point i was trying to make also, you made it clear... to most people none of this matters. but for MY review of the carola night, it did.. that's what makes us different i guess from average people going there. axel, sorry i'm being mean, i liked your set almost as much as carola's (which is a huge compliment btw), and i think in fact your set illustrates a good combination of playing minimal stuff alongside some funner things with booty samples, some more electro-influenced stuff, with a combination of vinyls and CDs that still makes it interesting for the DJ nerds. I mean, I play CDs sometimes also when I can't get it on vinyl and I really wanna play it, or when it's my own composition. Nevertheless, I stand by what I said, and I think a guy like Carola especially, who runs like three record labels, should stand by his product and play vinyls, and I'm sure he's getting enough $$ that he can afford the extra-weight cost at the airport.. either way it would've made me feel that I had got my money's worth at Parking... blop. and big respect to everyone involved in this thread, it's an all-star cast of introverted DJs up in here heheh
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 6:40pm |
| Coolness: 129740 | Steve, if you admit you've played cds in the past and still continue to do so, then I don't see any difference between what I do and what you do. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 7:28pm |
| Coolness: 83895 | is this gunna come down to who's got a bigger record collection?
i'd be really interested in knowing who would win that one.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 8:21pm |
| Coolness: 149025 | well the difference is bliss, that it's funner for me to watch people playing vinyls that's all. i think you guys are missing the point in the sense that there can be no winner here, i've already lost. the concept of moving forward, using technology to achieve the most sonically possible, stretching the limits of what society has provided for you to create something new, an expression, is something that one gives up on when they limit themselves to vinyl, and sit around defending it and shit. that's not what techno was ever about, it certainly isn't what the 'underground' is about, or anything, they are about NEW shit, NEW ways of making sound, NEW ways of interpreting reality. that's why i keep prefacing and concluding my statements with reminders about what a burn out conservative i am.. and that's the side of me that these points reflect.. and so, i conceded defeat to the imaginary person that made any arguments such as the one outlined above (by me), but i refuse to admit that i enjoy watching someone mix on traktor, or to admit that i like watching and hearing people mix on CDs as much as on vinyl. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Nov 5, 2007 @ 9:28pm |
| Coolness: 129740 | Cool, but isn't that a personal preference,
How can you take that and start designating who is a real dj or not, What makes a real dj for me (and incidentally why I respect you a lot), is above all experience, knowledge of music, good technique and good selection. If you started playing cds or final scratch tommorrow, it wouldn't change my opinion of how good a dj you are. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Wed Nov 7, 2007 @ 11:11am |
 Coolness: 471825 | :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Thu Nov 8, 2007 @ 2:01am |
| Coolness: 149025 | of course it's a personal preference! its not up to me to designate what qualifies or doesnt as a DJ.. what that word means will be determined by the use of the english language in present and future generations. all i have are my opinions and preferences, i think i've made those clear..... this debate is getting too intense, i cant deal anymore, heheheh
!onelove |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Thu Nov 8, 2007 @ 9:53am |
| Coolness: 129740 | My last response was meant as a compliment ;)
Although I do find it ironic that you say you play cds "from time to time" and then rag me out for playing cds "from time to time" Like I said we're both doing exactly the same thing (vinyl and cd)...bringing music to the public :) Love yah Steve, big up! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_worm replied on Thu Nov 8, 2007 @ 1:22pm |
 Coolness: 61075 | yeah! |
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