What Should I Use ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Fri Jul 27, 2007 @ 2:58pm |
 Coolness: 299470 | I record everything live and I'm a goddamn happy hardcore producer. come on! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Fri Jul 27, 2007 @ 4:36pm |
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do you honestly think the top studio drummers can accurately say why they groove more than others? It is something acquired almost sub consciously after years of playing and listening. Most of the imperfections are often not as calculated as you think but those slight distortions around the beat are what makes something sound great. It is why it takes a musician 20 years to not suck. the imperfections might be reproducable every time by the musician and they might be calculated but they sure as hell don't come anywhere near quantized music which is what you seem to think is the only way. I know you are young and thus dumb but hopefully you open your eyes. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» spotless_mind replied on Fri Jul 27, 2007 @ 11:44pm |
 Coolness: 37655 | if we're making music. we should always be open to learn more. whether it be a step sequencer person learning how to drop beats "in the pocket" without hours of frustrating nudging. the reality is you often won't get the same thing sitting back and _listening_ as you do feeling it. the cerebellum -> muscles -> instrument -> compressed air waves will usually translate well to compressed air waves -> cerebellum -> musclar motion (i.e. dancing) but on the other hand, you get stuff sitting back and listening (cerebrum work) on a step sequencer/arpeggiator that you would NEVER come up with playing as well.. so you've got to use the crunchy and the smoothy to get the best balance ultimately.
same goes with theory. we should all learn more of it. but as your learning, you find out that the diatonic scale (black and white notes) that we also use in step sequencers by the way... are set at frequencies that are not theoretically(mathematically) ideal because they were set for common tuning amongst orchestral instruments.. not to mention that there are a lot of useful frequencies IN BETWEEN the semitones... microtones. and Indian classical music for one example uses complex microtonal scales ("Ragas") Western classical theory was designed for harmonies, Indian classical for melodies, and other types of music like Ewe (from Ghana) drumming is rhythmically very complex (polyrhythms galore) so its always important not to get stuck in your box of how to see things with music, whether you are "traditionally trained" classical guitarist or a script kiddie "producer" using frooty loops who thinks that he doesn't need a minimoog because he thinks the arturia VSTi clone sounds exactly the same (even though he's never REALLY used a minimoog) sorry to continue this diversion.. no one asked the original poster : "what kind of music are you interested in making with said controller ? " i think they've been scared away :( |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deyaros replied on Sat Jul 28, 2007 @ 4:00am |
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Hardcore/happy/transy thingy hardocre, Goa/psy transe. @ AlienZeD I'm doing music since i'm 6, playing drums, percs ( marimba, timpani, drums, tubular bells...etc. ) flute, violin ( only three years, 6 to 9 ), i've studied music theory , I know how to sing ( but my voice is so ugly ) I'm learning piano right now , guitar and Dj-ing. Why do I need a keyboard, well for the feeling, to be able to play my melodie live. ANd when you use a vocoder, a keyboard is sooo fucking useful and fun . + I can also use my keyboard as a drum machine ! I'm still learning stuff, I'm not perfect. What I wanted to ask is if what I was about to buy is a good choice or if you guys had better Ideas or tips to give me yours. I'm very sorry to put this Producer vs musician vs dj vs fruity loops beatmaker thingy... My thead wasn't a contest between who's better and who got more skills...I was asking a bit of help that's all. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sat Jul 28, 2007 @ 3:12pm |
 Coolness: 153150 | very interesting the thing between madforbrand, james and alienzed,
there is just 1 thing that you should consider, when mozart or any classical writer, wrote thier symphony, do you think he played all the instruments to see what it will be like? i dont think so you dont need to be able to PLAY an instrument to write/produce, it helps, yes, but you dont NEED to. dont get me wrong, i played piano for 8 years, and drums for over 15... i produce hardcore(happy hardcore uk hardcore gabber call it what you want, i dont care) and i DO use scales(of course heh!)chords, 7th, ect ... but i dont have any midi keyboard, i dont need one, because im more of a visual person, but i do understand the use for one, i will be using one in the future. all that to say that zed's point of having a midi controller is not necessary, is true in part, it depend of your WAY to build a track, and your preferences. even if i dont remember how to play piano like i did(it was a long time ago) i still know most of my music theories, and it is true, imperfection is in music, but it doesnt make it better or worse, it just make it different, it depend on the taste, and of course, the style. in dance music, you cant really have a drum beat with beat not synchronised, because of the beatmatching, while in rock or pop, it doesnt really matter. as for the leads and synths, yes it will add groove in your paterns(even if i dont tend to do it myslef, i like when everything is tight), but it still doesnt make it better all the time. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deyaros replied on Sat Jul 28, 2007 @ 5:20pm |
| Coolness: 47150 | I really like the fact that none of you had a single answer to my question. It's very funny... = )
But I still like you guys... You all of you are saying is very interesting though...seriously. Anyway thank you for your answers. I know now what I'll do...I'll buy those beringners thingy and the axiom keyboard. thanks and remember...gambling is good for you ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» James replied on Sat Jul 28, 2007 @ 6:51pm |
 Coolness: 37220 | I did...
Update » James wrote on Fri Jul 27, 2007 @ 6:33am from 74.56.12.84 @ OP: Btw... it ain't a big controller by any means... but I just got myself an Ozonic and so far it rocks my fucking world. Two more octaves would've been great for actual playing, but since I was aiming at portability/live sessions 37 keys was a good compromise. Its got the usual M-Audio plasticky feel on knobs/faders although I think they'll hold for the duration, and the keys themselves are superb full sized keys with excellent synth-action. Plus, depending on your needs it can eliminate the need for some gear. Because of it I can sell my 1010 card and my 24 track console...no small feat. Next stop for me is a keystation 88 somewhere down the road so I can let loose and actually PLAY :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 9:34am |
| Coolness: 44695 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK VERY INTERESTING THE THING BETWEEN MADFORBRAND, JAMES AND ALIENZED, THERE IS JUST 1 THING THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER, WHEN MOZART OR ANY CLASSICAL WRITER, WROTE THIER SYMPHONY, DO YOU THINK HE PLAYED ALL THE INSTRUMENTS TO SEE WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE?
they didn't , but they all played a keyboard to make their voicings and arrangements which is really what this argument was about. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 11:51am |
 Coolness: 201370 | You don't have to have a midi keyboard, but it is just a lot faster to use one with most programs.
Unless you are using trackers, like renoise, then you don't need one. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 12:11pm |
 Coolness: 102350 | i do own the Remote 25 SL and with Live it's the shit yo heheheheh |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 3:14pm |
| Coolness: 153150 | mad for brad, yes, i know, but now with computers, you dont need to play piano to write music, you may not like it, but it is like that, and its not a bad neither a good thing, and you cant say someone who know how to plays piano will write better tracks. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 3:25pm |
 Coolness: 685735 | well, unless they've had some kind of proper training in chords/harmonies, then yes, their melodies and leads will sound a LOT better than randomly dicking around to find something that "sounds cool" when all put together. They'll achieve that unified sound a lot faster than randomly hunting around for riffs that work in tune to their background sounds, and they'll come up with a lot more exciting/diffrent stuff than maj/min/3rd/5th/7th/pentatonic scales and keep it all not just sounding good, but actually being in tune with everything else in the song and keeping it actually "musical" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 3:43pm |
| Coolness: 201370 | programming chords with a piano roll is a bitch compared to playing them. I mean It's easy to play 4+ notes at once.. as opposed to clicking with the mouse. Either way.. get some kind of midi controller, just so you can at least practice playing a bit, you learn a lot more that way. Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 3:45pm I started playing the keyboard in 2002, after making music for a few years without knowing how to play.. I still can't play that well, but I can make complicated music a lot faster. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Sun Jul 29, 2007 @ 7:19pm |
| Coolness: 44695 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK MAD FOR BRAD, YES, I KNOW, BUT NOW WITH COMPUTERS, YOU DONT NEED TO PLAY PIANO TO WRITE MUSIC, YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT IT IS LIKE THAT, AND ITS NOT A BAD NEITHER A GOOD THING, AND YOU CANT SAY SOMEONE WHO KNOW HOW TO PLAYS PIANO WILL WRITE BETTER TRACKS.
knowing more about music will help someone write better tracks so yes , using piano as a tool to discover music theory will help you write better songs. Again i still think you are thinking only about the small percentage of electronic music compared to everything else. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 1:34pm |
| Coolness: 153150 | well i dont think he wanted to produce jazz/blues/rock/classical whatever with his midi controller, so yes im talking about electronic dance music, as i stated in my previous post.
yes it will HELP but its no NECESSARY. but someone may be playing piano for years( that means playing OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC ON PIANO) and cant write shit... WRITING AND PLAYING IS DIFFERENT you seem to be missing my point on purpuse we were talking about what a midi controller can do for him to write music, not learn piano... was the topic about ' where can i get piano courses'? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» spotless_mind replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 2:30am |
| Coolness: 37655 | to the O.P.
i would go with the axiom. looks like its better build quality, and its what your used to. its got those pads too which are always useful. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 7:01pm |
| Coolness: 102350 | axiom sucks big time, trust me |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 7:09pm |
 Coolness: 103480 | this site is ''imperfected''
but this thread is freakin perfect haha |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Aug 1, 2007 @ 2:36am |
 Coolness: 509705 | just go with whatever has more knobs, sliders and options for the price and get a good warrantee |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Wed Aug 1, 2007 @ 2:59am |
| Coolness: 299470 | get something with an arpeggio button so you can make so much trance you'll shit your pants |
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