Y Do U Think Alcohol , Tobacco ...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 1:46pm |
 Coolness: 148760 | ugh...
think about what you're going to write before writing it please. im tired of reading ridiculous posts to reiterate my last post for those french-deficient readers: it's because they are legal that alcohol and cigarettes have probelms associated to them. if pot or e were legal, their consumption would be much greater and teh problems associated to them would be just as great (if not greater) than those associated with alcohol and cigs. everyone has access to alcohol and cigs and gambling, if everyone had access to hard drugs, there would certainly be more problems associated with these. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» YKNOT replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 1:48pm |
 Coolness: 35445 | I didn't ask i as if it were pot vs alcohol . I wanted to know people's thoughts on why are these the three no no 's that we are allowed to do legally ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 1:51pm |
 Coolness: 39115 | Alors pourquoi ca serait pas tout legal
ou tout illegal! By the french-deficient reader;) Love hihi |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:05pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | :)
marie poppins.. mo dernier post n'etait pas dirige vers toi. je n'avais pas vu que d'autres posts avaient ete faits. quoi de plus, tu n'est pas une des 'french-deficient reader' plutot tu es unes des plus 'french proficient readers' sur ce forum. je comprends tous tes posts (ce que je ne peux pas dire de beaucoup des autres posters francais) puis pour repondre a ta question. je n'ai pas de reponse definitive pour toi. ce que je pourrais suggerer est que le gouvernement (qui ne fait pas des decisions basees sur rien) a fait quleque sorte d'etude et a conclu que la legalisation de ces autres drogues, causerait des effets plus serieux que ceux causes par les drogues qui sont legales en ce moment. c'est a dire que si la e etait legale, les effets negatifs sur la population seraient plus severes que ceux de l'alcool ou les cigarettes. il faut savoir que si la e etait legale, des personnes l'essaieraient sans trop y penser just pour savoir de quoi ca a l'air, et cela pourrait causer des choses terribles. la e est une drogue tres volatile, les effets ne sont (pour la plupart) pas toujours pareils. mais en fin de compte, je n'ai pas vraiment une raison definitive a te donner. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:08pm |
| Coolness: 39115 | I think it's because they want us to become addictive to
those things and after they will receive us les bras ouverts for treatment. They want problems in the society... A society unhappy need more things so buy more things! consommateur de bonheur effemere Love |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:09pm |
 Coolness: 166520 | les raisons de l'illégalité du pot (aux e-u) remontent à une histoire de travailleurs mexicains fumeurs de ganja qui acceptaient de travailler pour moins cher que les citoyens américains, alors ils 'volaient' toutes les jobs aux e-u... alors le gouvernement a passé la loi comme quoi que le pot c'est illégal pour les tenir hors du pays, ou avoir une bonne raison pour les arrêter et les faire se tenir tranquille. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:10pm |
| Coolness: 39115 | mdc ok cool la je comprends ;)
Love |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:11pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | de plus, si une drogue (comme le pot) est legalisee, des groupes se formeront et demanderaient, pourquoi pas la e, ou les amphetamines, ou les barbiturates. ca s'amplifierait. le pot serait certainement une drogue legalisable, elle ne cause pas d'effets (trops) negatifs sur le corps et les accidents qui y sont relies sont bien moins que ceux associes a l'abus d'alcool. mais a qui de faire cette decision de legaliser une droge mais pas l'autre. ca ouvrirait des portes que nous ne sommes pas a l'issu de fermer en ce moment. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» RedVodka replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:13pm |
 Coolness: 44600 | .... lights a salvia joint.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:13pm |
| Coolness: 166520 | le pot est légal à amsterdam, je sais pas comment est la situation là-bas par contre. est-ce qu'il a toujours été légal ou il a été légalisé? est-ce que les autres drogues sont légales? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:16pm |
| Coolness: 39115 | namasté, Mon ami est aller a amsterdant et
tu sais koi? Il parait qu'il n'y a pas tant de gens que ca qui consomme! Mon ami était gener de consommé de la drogue la bas hihi!!!! Quand c illégal on est des tit vilain et on veut faire contre la loi!!!! QUand c légal c pu aussi gros! Love |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:16pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | Originally posted by YKNOT...
I didn't ask i as if it were pot vs alcohol . I wanted to know people's thoughts on why are these the three no no 's that we are allowed to do legally ? drinking is a vice, gambling is a vice. there is no reason to stop people from doing these things. obviously, in excess, these things are bad. but they don't implicitly create a dependence, unlike many drugs. and obviously there all the historical reasons. before, you were not a man unless you smoked and gambled and drank. these were the social vices associated with the upper class, and by extension the makers of law. these three things were what the rich did to pass the time. they were legal because not everyone would do them. only those that could afford it. but now, with everyone gaining access to eerything at low costs and such. it causes problems. anyhoo... i dunno. i think that even many drugs should be legal, and that moderation is the key. but keeping something unavailable for so long creates a desire. and legalising drugs now would cause a crazy surge in their use and in consequence a crazy surge in the problems related to their usage. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:21pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | Originally posted by NAMASTÉ...
le pot est légal à amsterdam, je sais pas comment est la situation là-bas par contre. est-ce qu'il a toujours été légal ou il a été légalisé? est-ce que les autres drogues sont légales? Wikipedia has a good article about that. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:23pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | They make a distinction between hard and soft drugs.
A distinction is drawn between hard drugs (which bear "unacceptable" risks; e.g. cocaine, heroin and ecstasy) and soft drugs such as the psychedelic psilocybin mushrooms as well as cannabis products: hashish and marijuana (as defined in the Dutch Opium Act). The distinction is drawn on whether the substance is only psychologically addictive (i.e. producing no worse effect than moderate craving when withdrawn) or also physically addictive (i.e. there is solid proof the drug could cause dangerous withdrawal symptoms and/or lasting physical damage). One of the main aims of this policy is to separate the markets for soft and hard drugs so that soft drug users are less likely to come into contact with hard drugs. This policy also aims to take the soft drug market out of the hands of the criminals, thus reducing crime. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» YKNOT replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:23pm |
| Coolness: 35445 | I often wonder what the meeting was like when all the different salesman from the different drugs showed up to sell the judge's on what should be legal . The smooth talking business man obviously did a better job pushing the alcohol than the rasta dealing the weed . The government was looking at the rasta , what do you mean it grows outside for free ? we can't make money off that . It also makes you sympathetic to your fellow man . The judge stood up and yelled " bailiifs please escort this blasphemer out of here . We are not looking to help we want to control what are you stoned " Baillifs could you make sure the nice gentleman with the casino's come's in before the tobacco guy , cuz we want to make some money off these people to pay for our funny looking wigs before we kill them !!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:24pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | hahaha |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:28pm |
 Coolness: 97045 | A Amsterdam c'est les touristes pis les gens qui travail dans les coffee shop qui fument en general.
Le pot a été légalisé il y a plusieurs années, pour, surtout, anéantir le traffic de stupéfiant par les gangs criminalisés. Tout ce qui est "naturel" y est légal, champignons frais, pot, hash. Le soir, partout dans les rues, y'a des vendeurs cassé de coke pis d'exctasy assez achalant merci (entk, y'a 3 ans). Par contre, la légalisation de la vente de pot la-bas n'a pas regler tous les problèmes, la plupart de ce pot et de ce hash est importé (on peut l'acheter selon son origine et sa sorte dans les coffee shops), pis l'exportation et meme la culture dans les autres pays de provenance sont illégales. Donc y'a des réseau de traffic de drogue qui se rende jusqu'aux Pays-Bas, importe leur drogue, circulent dans des pays ou ce n'est pas légal, et paf, rendu aux Pays-Bas ca devient légal! Le problème du traffic et des bandes criminalisés a juste été refillé a l'extérieur du pays. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:30pm |
| Coolness: 39115 | :) I like it
Love |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:39pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | Marijuana is not legal in the Netherlands. The possession of any soft drug is still a misdemeanor. As stated in the Opium Act (Law of 12 May 1928, containing regulations concerning opium and other narcotic substances).
And it was not to stop the traffic of drugs by crimelords. The basis for this law is that it is not up to the government to decide what you want to do to your body. "The use of soft drugs in general is not prohibited, on the general principle of self-determination in matters of the body. Specifically, that it is not illegal to hurt yourself; however, you remain liable for the consequences of your actions. Because of this, users are not prosecuted for possession of small quantities of soft drugs ("for personal use")." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 2:44pm |
| Coolness: 148760 | if anything this Opium Act is what began the trafficing of illegal drugs through the netherlands. since there is a list of drugs in the appendix of the article that are illegal (defined hard drugs), this gave rise to the "designer drug" market. wherein a drug trafficker slightly modifies the molecular structure of teh drug to conform with the laws of the netherlands but the effects of the drugs are still as powerful as the illegal ones. |
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