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Anne Rice Gone Religious
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:23pm |
 Coolness: 339775 | Originally posted by [SCREWHEAD]...
Originally posted by DJneoform...
*yawn* did you even read my second sentence? I figgure I'd do what you usually do and ignore half of what you posted and stick to my guns, even though it makes me look like an assclown. half of what? fuck man you start a sentence finish it!! HALF OF WHAT?! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:30am |
 Coolness: 201335 | I don't want to read about jesus unless he is fighting some sort of mutant army |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Fri Nov 4, 2005 @ 2:53pm |
 Coolness: 178755 | Lololol Power Jesus :b |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Sat Nov 5, 2005 @ 4:28am |
 Coolness: 75380 | Originally posted by MOONDANCER...
That whole sensual vampire thing though, was adopted from Anne Rice's vampires. Before Anne Rice came along vampires were pure Dracula, but somehow she managed to create an entire sub-culture and completely reformed the mainstream view of a mythical creature. Those are some hella-big influences there. She's been almost as influential as the necronomicon. I can't remember the first instance of "Vampire" as sensual creature.. but I'm fairly sure it predates Rice.. could be wrong though... I think she just popularized it... you seem to know more about it then I do though.. it might bear some further investigation.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Nov 5, 2005 @ 4:38am |
 Coolness: 685700 | There are way more, Anne Rice is just the most popular one. HELLO? Anyone remember Dracula? ;)
interesting article on vampire trends in fiction (from linked article)
One of the more important early stories to appear in Europe was "The Vampyre" by John Polidori, published in 1819 and based on an idea by Lord Byron. A mysterious nobleman, Ruthven, tours Europe with a wealthy young man named Aubrey. Aubrey eventually realizes that Ruthven is a very unpleasant man, but thinks he has seen the last of him when he is killed by bandits in a mountain pass in Europe. When Aubrey returns to England, he finds that Ruthven is alive and is engaged to Aubrey's sister. The agonizing part of Aubrey's dilemma is that, even though he now realizes what Ruthven is, he cannot stop the wedding plans because Ruthven made Aubrey swear not to reveal "knowledge of my crimes or death" for a year and a day. Now, because of this oath, Aubrey cannot even warn his sister of her imminent doom, with the result that Ruthven kills the sister on the wedding night and then disappears. Being held to an oath like this even at the expense of a person's life was a concept frequently found in older stories. And while it may seem silly today, the modern equivalent is still with us in the form of the priest or lawyer who is unable to tell the police of the confession of a murderer. The resulting suspense when the hero knows and has proof but cannot tell anyone, can have the reader on the edge of his or her seat. In 1836 Theophile Gauthier wrote "La Morte Amoreuse," which has been translated into English under various titles, including "Clarimonde." A priest becomes obsessed with a beautiful vampire. The story has a rather dreamlike quality in which it becomes difficult for both the priest and the reader to differentiate between reality and the priest's fantasies. "Varney the Vampire" by Thomas Preskett Prest or James Malcom Rymer appeared in 1840. This penny dreadful, consisting of romance, mystery, and blood, was almost the nineteenth century equivalent of a soap opera and was as popular as many soaps are today. Then in 1872, Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu wrote the landmark story "Carmilla." This was one of the first stories to feature a three- dimensional vampire with human emotions and feelings. The plot concerns a young woman named Laura who lives in an isolated castle in Austria. Nearby is a deserted village and a ruined castle whose last owner had died a century before. One day a beautiful stranger called Carmilla comes to stay after a carriage accident. She and Laura become fast friends, with undertones of lesbianism. One can see that even as Laura becomes weaker, Carmilla has a real affection for Laura. Finally the truth comes out: a grave in the chapel near the ruined castle is opened, and it is proven that Carmilla and the long-dead owner of the ruined castle are one and the same. The vampire is destroyed in the traditional manner. So, sensual vampires are really not a new thing, not even something that Anne Rice "came up" with, she's just the one that people think about first. As far back as 1872 they had lesbian vampires and people in love with vampires. edit the one thing Anne Rice did was make the vampires more "human", with a concience and not just creatures of pure evil. Before that, even though there were "erotic" vampires, they were still monsters that had an insatiable thirst for blood and that had no care for humans, seeing them as cattle to feed on, if even acknowledging them that much. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 5:41am |
 Coolness: 92375 | Yeah well I know about the sensual history of the vampire but I over-exaggerated/meant to say basically what you said in your last paragraph but didn't find the words or wasn't thinking of it that completely. Dracula had lotsa chicks, and apparently he could just look at them and make them go wild with his stare but was otherwise a completely cold and faceless character. I rarely see a standard person having read or not read an anne rice book who doesn't seem to have Anne's more justified view of vampires or, maybe it's all in my head, but it's probably because more and more media is taking after that, whether it be cause of her or not, but one thing is for sure, she did create an entire sub-culture who consider her books almost like a bible. I mean they openly state that the entire thing is based on her books, it's not some far-off connection, the whole shit is openly based on it. Not that they are very common people but still.. that's pretty fucked up, how much she's inspired people. Meaning.. some people will fall on their knees for their books and some people will detest it.. like anything that has caused such strong feelings in people it's bound to be hated by lots of people too. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 5:49am |
| Coolness: 75380 | Have I ever told you that your over-explanations always make me laugh?
And as far as the love and hate thing goes, you need to care about something very deeply in order to hate it. Otherwise you just wouldn't care. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 5:50am |
| Coolness: 92375 | Even if you take Dracula 2000 as an example. When the girl changes into a vampire her eyes become all crazy... in Anne Rice's books, when someone becomes a vampire their eyes immediately become brighter and more beautiful and all the little details of them will magnify and become amazingly beautiful(this will even intensify after time, along with the colour and hardness of their skin). That's exactly what happens to the girl in Dracula 2000, not that it is such an original idea, anyone can think of it and forgive me if I'm beign short-sighted here (cause I am) but I HIIIIIIIGHLY doubt they didn't take that idea out of an Anne Rice book. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 5:51am |
| Coolness: 92375 | I meant dis-like! see that's why I over-explain cause people always pick at my words. Dislike, dislike. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 6:03am |
| Coolness: 75380 | Btw... did you ever look into the White-Wolf Vampire game? Even if you don't play, it's a pretty awesome vampire world. Again, fully explained universe, with every aspect of vampirism explained. I also like the way they divide vampires up into 13 major bloodlines, each explaining different traditional vampire lores. Anne Rice's vampires, for instance, fall very much into the Toreador clan, obsessed with the beauty of unlife, and they're very social creatures, etc, others, like the Gangrel are more beastial, roaming the countryside and being very much the save blood drinker.. it's cool stuff. In the Vampire universe the embrace (becoming a vampire) is likened to absolute terror and absolute euphoria rolled into one, replaced immediately by the hunger as you must feed immediately. It's said that most vampires don't even remember it since its so overpowering to all their faculties. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 7:12am |
| Coolness: 685700 | I used to play Vampire all the time. White Wolf's system is THE best RPG system. Easy as hell and doesn't rely on combat and die-rolls to keep the game going. We barely used dice when we played, for the most part just combining related stats and comparing them to difficulty.. I also used to be in the local Mind's Eye Theater game around 96-97. I've also just downloaded the whole set of V:TM books in PDF. It's 2.5 gigs :D
Oddly enough, I never liked Anne Rice's books, but I love the movies. I tried reading Interview, Lestat, QotD, and Memnock The Devil, and out of the bunch I think I made it to about page 200 in QotD, I don't think I Ever managed to make it past the first 30 pages of any of the others without being absolutely bored (and I can read Stephen King's IT in about 3 days) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 11:07pm |
| Coolness: 75380 | MET is only ok when the players are ok... that doesn't happen often. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 11:15pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | Yeah, the main game that was running when I was playing was alright, though the crowd was a little on the weird side (probably why I fit in so well :lol)
It's pretty cool though, one of the GMs that was running it is now doing a lot of the writing for all the new WoD stuff. Was going through some of the revised books PDFs and I kept seeing Lucien Soulban in a bunch of them. After the work he did on the Montreal By Night book, he was hired to work on pretty much everything else. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Mon Nov 7, 2005 @ 11:34pm |
| Coolness: 75380 | Yeah... good Ol' Luce... I know people who know him.. a little before my time... you probably know a bunch of the guys I know, like monkey, and hooper... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Nov 8, 2005 @ 12:10am |
| Coolness: 685700 | Monkey = Ian, right? That was quite a while ago... Haven't seen any of them in easily 7 years. Well, I lived with Steph for a while, and I still see Karl once in a while.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Tue Nov 8, 2005 @ 4:01am |
| Coolness: 75380 | Steph Herman? (Yeah, Monkey = Ian)
Wierd small world. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Nov 8, 2005 @ 7:32am |
| Coolness: 685700 | No, don't remember her last name anymore.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Thu Nov 10, 2005 @ 11:53am |
| Coolness: 75380 | Wait... Steph who dated Steve? (Or Steven?) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Nov 10, 2005 @ 3:10pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | yeah... I'm not the most liked person in that group of people. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Sat Nov 12, 2005 @ 6:07am |
| Coolness: 75380 | Fuck... that whole group has really split up and moved on.. there's a new generation of players taking their spot.. believe it or not.. the weekly LARPS these days are Changeling and Werewolf.. ugh.. suffice it to say I play neither. |
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