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The Philosophy Of Language
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mikelaicervera replied on Wed May 18, 2005 @ 11:40am |
 Coolness: 41675 | I'm not too sure about it, but I think the philosophy of language crosses/started the analytical field in philosophy. It's quite recent and it's been really popular among american and british thinkers. It's really not the king of reading I like because the writers look like they're bitter with their style. From my philo of the mind class, I remember that Sperber, Fodor and Putnam were talking about language. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Wed May 18, 2005 @ 11:50am |
 Coolness: 55370 | You gotta address the plasticity of language, how language changes, adapts, and morphs with a culture. Look at "gay". In the 1890's it meant "happy". Now it means "homo", or Trance DJ.
Most philosophy is lost in the symantics of language. People will get lost in language. Good luck wit them apps! UBC is way hot. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed May 18, 2005 @ 2:44pm |
 Coolness: 150540 | Originally posted by CINDERELLA SOUL...
Philosophically and culturally speaking why do you think there is so much resistence amongst the youth to learn grammar, if you think there is resitance to it? What could and would philosophically explain this phenomena, if it exists? What is the survival value of language? HOw can this be important to humanity? What can language bring, if anything, that other things cannot? What is its role in helping humans progress? What message does our own society give about language? How so? Just some question you might want to ask yourself, to answer for yourself. Cinderella, you sure are the inquisitive type, aren't you? Perhaps those are some questions you could (try and) answer yourself, no? I'd like to see what you come up with. =) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Wed May 18, 2005 @ 2:58pm |
 Coolness: 56280 | Originally posted by MICO!...
Originally posted by cinderella soul...
Philosophically and culturally speaking why do you think there is so much resistence amongst the youth to learn grammar, if you think there is resitance to it? What could and would philosophically explain this phenomena, if it exists? What is the survival value of language? HOw can this be important to humanity? What can language bring, if anything, that other things cannot? What is its role in helping humans progress? What message does our own society give about language? How so? Just some question you might want to ask yourself, to answer for yourself. Cinderella, you sure are the inquisitive type, aren't you? Perhaps those are some questions you could (try and) answer yourself, no? I'd like to see what you come up with. =) they are questions that I have asked myself before. I'd like to see what others come up with to tell you the truth. I'm always sharing my answers to these questions. Would be an absolute delight however to share what I've come up with. :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed May 18, 2005 @ 3:08pm |
| Coolness: 150540 | Then share already!
Personaly, the first 4-questions I find are quite moot, since I do not believe that there is any type of phenomenal resistance from the youth to learn their grammar. Mind you, the last two about languages role in human progress, and the message that our socitey gives us about language are rather interesting. I would go off on one of my little rants, but I think i'll get myself a beer first. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WinterBlossom replied on Wed May 18, 2005 @ 10:09pm |
 Coolness: 43605 | i think that the philosophy of language is different from a language to another...im learning japanese right now in university...and its really interesting to see how a different culture can speek of the subject used in their language...as a concept...
example...in french and english we use a proper way to define the subject, to define us and the place we have in our environment..."JE", "I", and so on...but in japanese, you never use "watashiwa=I"...if japanese people hear you say that, they'll know right away you dont really know how to speak japanese (well, it is used sometimes, but not as much as we use terms like I, you, he ,she, they...wich are almost not used either)...because, since japanese were/are influenced by animism, what's surrounding you, you're environment, is more important than yourself...therefore, you will always be the less important thing in a spoken/written sentence... all this to say that the language we use is a way to represent what kind of people we are...and by analysing the way we put ourselves in context (we as the subject), you can learn a lot of a culture and behaviours...that obviously differs from a people to another...not only do we speak different languages, but we also are totally different peoples... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PaT_ replied on Thu May 19, 2005 @ 10:15am |
 Coolness: 116375 | Originally posted by @TRIX...
You gotta address the plasticity of language, how language changes, adapts, and morphs with a culture. Look at "gay". In the 1890's it meant "happy". Now it means "homo", or Trance DJ. a perfect exam of that would be the Inuit people who all spoke the same language, Inupiaq ( or something like that), but because the population was so small over a vast area of land, after generations and generations differences were seen in the dialect of their language when groups had been isolated and cut off from each other |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Thu May 19, 2005 @ 11:21am |
| Coolness: 55370 | Inuktitut? I know a little about that inuit language. Is it the same one? And by little, I mean I know the Kaluunaak means "Big Bushy Eyebrows" or "White People" cuz the first whites to make it north were the manly-man whalers. Theres a few transplants from Nunavut on this site. Their take would be interesting.
Does anyone here know the inuit word for "Create"? Their alphabet looks cool. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu May 19, 2005 @ 1:41pm |
| Coolness: 150540 | Originally posted by RYOKO...
i think that the philosophy of language is different from a language to another...im learning japanese right now in university...and its really interesting to see how a different culture can speek of the subject used in their language...as a concept... example...in french and english we use a proper way to define the subject, to define us and the place we have in our environment..."JE", "I", and so on...but in japanese, you never use "watashiwa=I"...if japanese people hear you say that, they'll know right away you dont really know how to speak japanese (well, it is used sometimes, but not as much as we use terms like I, you, he ,she, they...wich are almost not used either)...because, since japanese were/are influenced by animism, what's surrounding you, you're environment, is more important than yourself...therefore, you will always be the less important thing in a spoken/written sentence... all this to say that the language we use is a way to represent what kind of people we are...and by analysing the way we put ourselves in context (we as the subject), you can learn a lot of a culture and behaviours...that obviously differs from a people to another...not only do we speak different languages, but we also are totally different peoples... That's really really interesting. Do you know of any good sites you could post to allow us to read up a bit more on the subject? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WinterBlossom replied on Thu May 19, 2005 @ 3:42pm |
| Coolness: 43605 | i found this...it explains the japanese concept of the subject and self...but does not really put it in relation with animism...its more about the concept of society as a group...well, its still pretty interesting...
[ ist-socrates.berkeley.edu ] my teacher, Takehiro Kanaya, wrote a book about influence of animism on japanese language...but i cant find any references or sites that explain it...ill try to find something and post it as soon as i get it... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 19, 2005 @ 9:38pm |
| Coolness: 56280 | I wonder what the relationship to animism is. I, do, know that asian cultures tend to be more collectivistic whereas western culture is more individualistic. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WinterBlossom replied on Thu May 19, 2005 @ 11:49pm |
| Coolness: 43605 | animism:
1- The belief in the existence of individual spirits that inhabit natural objects and phenomena. 2- The belief in the existence of spiritual beings that are separable or separate from bodies. 3- The hypothesis holding that an immaterial force animates the universe. Spirituality lies within nature and general environment...strenght belongs to what hasnt the ability to move...therefore, a mountain is strong because it grew and is still rooted to the earth...it takes all its wisdom in the time thats passing by...as we, humans, get to live and die...over and over...when we are scared...we run away...something that a strong entity would never do... so we are small and fragile...and we are not superior to all thats around us...i think thats how japanese people rely to their environment...to this day still...more or less i guess...so i can understand that it is why they apply the concept of the self/subject in a very different way than we do...that's why the person isnt an important figure in their language...its, in most cases, very implied... we hunt and kill the beast they wait in the rice field for the crops to grow |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 29, 2005 @ 3:29pm |
 Coolness: 145280 | thank you everyone for your comments
except cinderella soul, who talks to much for her own good |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 29, 2005 @ 8:26pm |
| Coolness: 145280 | what a douche |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun May 29, 2005 @ 8:38pm |
| Coolness: 145280 | Originally posted by TO DISCOVER...
what is your purpose for pusuing a degree in the philosophy of language field? What do you plan on using your "higher" education in this field for? What meaning does it hold for you? How do you value language? What is the value of language in society, across different societies, culturally speaking? How has this value evolved or devolved across time and societies? How is language universal? Is language universal in virtue of the fact that we have the capability for it and that it has become characteristic of the human species? The philosophy of language can include etymology (word origins) , grammar, and syntax. Philosophically and culturally speaking why do you think there is so much resistence amongst the youth to learn grammar, if you think there is resitance to it? What could and would philosophically explain this phenomena, if it exists? What is the survival value of language? HOw can this be important to humanity? What can language bring, if anything, that other things cannot? What is its role in helping humans progress? What message does our own society give about language? How so? Just some question you might want to ask yourself, to answer for yourself. this is pretty good, this is a lot of the questions i want to ask/ans but also like "whats the relationship between language and logic?" and "what is the nature of meaning itself?" your still a douche tho :° |
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