Bad Trips
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Mon Apr 25, 2005 @ 6:55am |
 Coolness: 56185 | ^^agreed. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 1:55am |
 Coolness: 229660 | i think its the natural state of animal instinctual fear taking over, higher breain functions hiding from changing perspectives and states of perception which open up that are never normally available. We train our brains to deal with the world in and ordered fasion and letting go of that can be unnerving but as long as you remember that you took a specific amount and that that amount was a reasonable one you'll come back to the reality that everything is being created by you and you're in control of your take on what you create.
No matter how distorted or distracting things get, look down at your hands, close your eyes for a moment, take a few breaths with your eyes closed and rememeber who you are, why you're in the state you are, and how important having a good time tonight was to you. Everything will be fine when you open your eyes. The visuals will still be there, and the music playing might still not be to your liking, you may wish to change locations or get away from the noise for a moment to get yourself centered but you'll be back in the place where you know why you took what you're on and you'll have fun with it. Always remember your friends may look like dinosaurs trying to teach you math.. but they care about you and probably arent hungry enough to eat ya. HAHAHA |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 4:26am |
 Coolness: 92250 | it really has nothing to do with that though. I`m not afraid of tripping too hard, and i never think what`s happenign is real if it`s not, and even if I did, that just has nothing to do with it. if anything, the anxiety will be social. I agree that when you know you are only feeling that anxiety cause you are high it will make a huge ass difference but even then, that alone won`t make the physical feelign disappear, at least nto right away. And physical anxiety, even if you don`t let it get to your head and make you sad or whatever other negative thing, it will still feel uncomfortable. That isn`t the same as bad-tripping though. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 4:54am |
| Coolness: 229660 | I follow you, and I felt some of that anxiety at Hybrid, but I felt it for another person, not for myself and after a while was able to put the things that caused it out of my mind. IT's somewhat like feeling dissapointed with something for a moment, if you take a moment and change the way you feel about whats dissapointing you, decide to change perspectives and do, your mood will change too. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 5:26am |
| Coolness: 92250 | yeah, sometimes drugs cause a physical anxiety that isnt related to anything you were thinkign about though, like comming down off e or speed. ppl can`t grasp right away, the first few times, that the physical feeling is purely related to a chemical imbalance caused by the drugs cause any other time they feel that way it will be cause they actually feel bad about something in particular. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 5:37am |
| Coolness: 229660 | yeah I'm someone who doesent get that, the only drain I feel is physical. My mental spirit is flushed with afterenergy left over from the wonderful experience I've had, not just from whatever drug I may have taken, but mainly from the good time I've spend with friends old and new. I find it very hard to have bad trips or be depressed, even after stealing all my bodies seratonin. lol but I guess.. it's all a matter of perspective and possibly a little bit attribute to experiences with real depression. Chemical depression is fake, it's not real and it's easy to relieve yourself of, just think happy thoughts. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 5:54am |
| Coolness: 92250 | Originally posted by GREGARIOUS...
the only drain I feel is physical. thats what i was saying also Chemical depression is fake, it's not real and it's easy to relieve yourself of, just think happy thoughts. depression is chemical by definition. and if its easy to relieve its cause it isnt depression and it isnt chemical. but in any case i was reffering to anxiety, not depression. anxiety causes physical discomfort. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 6:02am |
| Coolness: 229660 | ah I'm sorry. yeah anxiety is a bitch. IT really sucks to want something badly and be anxious about persueing it. Or to feel unsure of yourself and inable to remove yourself of the anxiety associated with it. Hmm.. Chemical enduced anxiety.. I think is largely related to over analyzation of the situation. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 6:05am |
| Coolness: 92250 | yeah but where does the situation come from then? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 6:32am |
| Coolness: 229660 | unfulfilled desires, lack of self confidence, inability to trust in ones current view of reality, fear of some form of rejection or humiliation, fear of being caught.. um lots more... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 6:52am |
| Coolness: 92250 | okay so lets say you are sitting there thinkign about how nice the grass and the trees are and all of a sudden you feel a brick hit your chest? what if you`re on drugs and everytime you take that drug you get that feeling? i think that would show a very clear pattern that it is the drug causing it, in which case it would be chemical. but to each their own. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 7:12am |
| Coolness: 229660 | so you're saying that you feel good with your trip and everythings fine, but all of the sudden everything changes without any help from your thoughts? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 7:40am |
| Coolness: 56185 | My teacher would argue and many people have come to think that thoughts proceed feelings.
In regards to the sitting on the grass story and brick hits chest everytime one takes drugs-- Perhaps, you have a belief and have come to associate you tripping with pain and you psyche expresses it that way. Or perhaps in objective reality you know drugs essentially harm you and your psyche once again is displaying it to you, with the help of drugs as a symbol. Can the drug cause a particular physical effect, independent of thoughts, due to the meshing of the chemical with your brain? I think it's possible. But I am not sure if your story falls in that category. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 26, 2005 @ 8:49am |
| Coolness: 92250 | cinderella [ soul...Ca ] the drug cause a particular physical effect, independent of thoughts, due to the meshing of the chemical with your brain? I think it's possible. But I am not sure if your story falls in that category.
that is exactly what drugs do, or we wouldn't have to take them to get high... i think you shoudl read over that statement it doesn't fit into the category cause you keep associating it with pain and i'm not talkign about pain. one would generally assume that when a drug hits you it's more related to timing and chemistry then a triggering thought, since you normally can't make yourself feel that high without the drug. of course HOW it hits you is a whole other story. speed will give you lots of energy, weed will make you feel like falling asleep. after you smoke a rock i don't think you'll be able to subdue the physical effects somehow. point being: the drugs you take will change somethign in ur body whether you like it or not. what you dont understand is you guys keep talking about emotions and im talking about a physical effect. I repeat: I am not talking abotu pain, I am not talkign abotu emotions,, I am talkign abtou physical effects on specific drugs. Originally posted by SKINTRACKER...
so you're saying that you feel good with your trip and everythings fine, but all of the sudden everything changes without any help from your thoughts? yes, i do, but I don't let it get to me or change anything. Others do, cause they are less experienced. Why do you think people come down so hard off of pills? whether or not it is triggered by a thought, why dont those thoughts make them feel THAT bad normally? the only logical explanation is a chemical change, such as the serotonin depletion, but you guys know that already |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Spinner replied on Wed Apr 27, 2005 @ 6:36pm |
 Coolness: 77155 | MMmm ...Activan |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Wed Apr 27, 2005 @ 6:39pm |
| Coolness: 229660 | speed rushes your adrenaline, pot rushes your dophamine, mdma/mda etc rushes your seratonin, coke rushes your bad decision making processes lol.
Whatever you do, it comes down to, like you said, experience. Pot doesent make me sleepy, it never has, however lots of my friends fall asleep mere minutes after smoking good herb. E doesent bring me down after using, lacking a regular level of seratonin will only truly bother someone who has a body trained to take advantage of their seratonin at its peak levels. Seratonin isnt something that is released in large amounts anyway, so lacking it won't really bother you much for the first few days after. Speed is just silly. Why anyone would need MORE adrenaline is beyond me, every good dj, vj and promoter does their best to make parties something special, and good music etc will always be enough to keep my adrenaline at a nice enough level for me.. I'm rather unexperienced in that area. In terms of nasty feelings coming out of nowhere, I know what that feels like and for me, I've found, they stem from my own desires or lack of fulfillment of them. Everyones got some sort of agenda, some goal or desire aside from the drugs they use. I have hard hits to my stomach come when I empathize with someone elses pain, when I feel like I've failed at making the impression upon someone I wanted, when I realize the party is almost over and I'm goin home alone, when I think about problems I have that are unrelated to my current location and actions and whenever my body decides to request more drugs and my brain says no to it. Most of these things are easily put out of my mind because I've had lots of experience dealing with them and other non drug related pains. However when they hit you, depending on the chemical you are on and the current state of your ability to deal with yourself, I know how difficult it can be to not "bad trip". Go give someone a hug, a REAL hug. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Apr 28, 2005 @ 5:14am |
| Coolness: 92250 | I never said anythign about nasty feelings!!!!!!!!!!
I also was not talkign about bad tripping. I was talkign about discomfort. but while we`re on the subject.. ``Seratonin isnt something that is released in large amounts anyway, so lacking it won't really bother you much for the first few days after.`` that`s not true. The effects of seratonin and whether it affects your mood or state of mind are not proven at all. It is just a theory based on a logical assumption. (this information is commign from a psychiatrist btw) whether it does or it doesnt there are a billion chemicals in our body and the fact that drugs react so differently from eachother is proof that those chemicals are reacting in different ways with eachother and that they are more then likely affecting more then one of our natural chemicals. sometimes they will give you stomach pains, sometimes they will give you headaches so why can`t they cause other kinds of physical or mental discomfort? nobody truly knows what chemicals are beign fucked with, but we know that they include the ones that affect happiness and that they fuck with your blood pressure, which can be nerve rackign without the extra dopamine to put you in another world. and it IS a chemical reaction or how else coudl you explain WHY people are significantly more inclined to these negative thoughts and feelings at that time? you`re basically telling me that theres no reason at all, but clearly, there has to be. whether ro nto you can get past it is a whoel other subject. Whether it "stems" from negative thoughts or not, the fact remains that people become more inclined toward them. There can`t be no reason for that. To say that those reasons are entirely personal without any chemical interferance is like sayign every single one of your 7 cats died in the same day because of old age. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Thu Apr 28, 2005 @ 11:48pm |
| Coolness: 229660 | I think everything you say has strong merit since it relates to health both physically and spiritually in a sense that based on external and personal influence we place ourselves into states of being where our "chi" or personal balance is upset and our bodies react in discomforting manners.
Our bodies aren't designed to comprehend the things we do to them, only to react and attempt to compensate the best they can. We as a conscience outside our physical volume are the excess baggage which because of our desire to understand and feel, have the undesirable fate of feeling the symptoms and "feeling" somehow about them. Sure they sensate, they force your mind to notice and make a choice, attempt to understand and alleviate or... Anywho, you're very smart ^_^ This is a fun conversation ha! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blah123 replied on Sat Apr 30, 2005 @ 4:21pm |
 Coolness: 46855 | Originally posted by SKINTRACKER...
No matter how distorted or distracting things get, look down at your hands, close your eyes for a moment, take a few breaths with your eyes closed and rememeber who you are, why you're in the state you are, and how important having a good time tonight was to you. Everything will be fine when you open your eyes. HAHAHA Thats pretty funnny cause the worst trip i ever had was on mush, and i kept on seeing my hand getting swollen and it wouldnt go away for the whole night i got super paranoid and cheked them every 5 minutes, i totally freaked. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blah123 replied on Sat Apr 30, 2005 @ 4:22pm |
| Coolness: 46855 | As for dealing with bad trips, IMO once its gone bad, the insnt anything i can do to controll it. |
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