Who'S Religious In Here ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Feb 3, 2005 @ 7:30pm |
 Coolness: 145290 | this is very emotionaly charged subject we should proceed with caution,
best religion ever Spinozistic Pantheism 'Duese es natura' (god is nature) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Feb 3, 2005 @ 8:49pm |
 Coolness: 339755 | Originally posted by ADP...
like i said b4, you can belive in anything u want, just knock it but my religion tells me i'm supposed to knock other religions.. what then? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Feb 3, 2005 @ 8:52pm |
| Coolness: 339755 | Originally posted by DARTH-PAPARA...
well read the story of Sodom and Gamorrah and you will see for yourself. The word "homosexual" or "gay" is not used. But if you read the context of it all its pretty obvious. that's funny, all the religion teachers i've had always told me genesis is to be taken as symbolism.. not literally.. so, SYMBOLICLY.. if i had gay anal sex with say.. carlos (hey bebe), something or person will or have to punish me? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» hayley replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 12:12am |
 Coolness: 82735 | religion to me is a scapegoat. Its humanities way of explaining the otherwise inexplicable. No God would tell his servants to beat their wives, that homosexuality is immoral or that other religions are wrong? And as these are prevalent in most if not all religions or religious ideology, I think that that sufficiently proves my point. My two cents... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» elixireleven replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 1:04am |
 Coolness: 73930 | Originally posted by BASDINI...
this is very emotionaly charged subject we should proceed with caution, best religion ever Spinozistic Pantheism 'Duese es natura' (god is nature) cheers to that. additionally, i might add for the benefit of our technobabble-fuelled culture, deus ex machina. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 1:05am |
 Coolness: 685680 | The Dragon In My Garage
by Carl Sagan "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage" Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity! "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon. "Where's the dragon?" you ask. "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon." You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints. "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floates in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless." You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible. "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative-- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved." Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons--to say nothing about invisible ones--you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon. Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages--but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all. Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence"--no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it--is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Samwise replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 1:42am |
 Coolness: 133115 | Originally posted by JOE OGRE...
If catholic priests are representatives of God and the majority of them, thousands of them are fucking little boys then that would make God what? u answered yer own question... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 1:50am |
 Coolness: 45715 | If they represent God then that would mean God fucks little boys. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» daFTWin replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 1:51am |
 Coolness: 276525 | How is religion a scapegoat? Because its explains how the virgin maries face ended up on a grill cheese sandwhich?
I think if anything religion helps the weak, and we are all weak in a sence. For example, Catholics believe that when you die you go to heaven, those mourning the loss of their loved one can take comfort in their belief that that person is in a safe and happy place. Some of us choose to dissasociate ourselves in sad times therefore we do not have to deal with the issue first hand. Whereas those dealing with it may turn to their faith for comfort and help and I dont see that as a scapegoat. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flatlinedive replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 2:03am |
| Coolness: 63995 | i don't think there's a logical argument that can sufficiently prove the existence of god.
and i think it's funny that when people, especially in the west, think of religion, they think first of the judeo-christian representation. i understand that god plays an integral part in people's lives, and i respect that. but as for "religion" itself, as a book of morality, a buiding to worship in, symbols to find answers in.....me thinks it's a load a huey. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 2:11am |
| Coolness: 685680 | Katie, just look at this thread. People are blaming war and hate on religion, which I totally agree with.
People keep talking about how "only crazy/extremist people are the ones that go to war or kill because of religion", but where would they have gotten the "morals" that told them to kill those that the god doesn't like if it wasn't for the bible/coran/etc? Sure, they're deranged, they're fucked up, they might be schizophrenic or just really stupid and gullible. But the fact is, that without the bible or religion, they might not have had such a PASSION for killing and maiming and hating and doing GOD'S WORK (as interpreted by them), but they are none the less doing it BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTS. And isn't religion all about what you believe? I think that religions have done nothing but SEPERATE man from each other because everyone spends all this time ARGUING over who's more right than the rest of the people that they don't take the time to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR despite their diffrences and STFU rather than spread more hate. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zz.ee.vV replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 2:30am |
 Coolness: 194115 | Not to take away from this deep discussion you guys are having.. but...
I wonder if the word 'hemmoroids' came from 'Sodom & Ghomorrah' . Sodom->Ghomorrah like Sodomizing->Hemmoroids :lol too far of a stretch? you, the viewers decide!!! This program has been brought to you by our proud sponsor, preparation H. ;) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» daFTWin replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 2:59am |
| Coolness: 276525 | Originally posted by [SCREWHEAD]...
Katie, just look at this thread. People are blaming war and hate on religion, which I totally agree with. People keep talking about how "only crazy/extremist people are the ones that go to war or kill because of religion", but where would they have gotten the "morals" that told them to kill those that the god doesn't like if it wasn't for the bible/coran/etc? Sure, they're deranged, they're fucked up, they might be schizophrenic or just really stupid and gullible. But the fact is, that without the bible or religion, they might not have had such a PASSION for killing and maiming and hating and doing GOD'S WORK (as interpreted by them), but they are none the less doing it BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTS. And isn't religion all about what you believe? I think that religions have done nothing but SEPERATE man from each other because everyone spends all this time ARGUING over who's more right than the rest of the people that they don't take the time to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR despite their diffrences and STFU rather than spread more hate. I think those people grew up being taught about their religion falsly. Yes your religion may tell you to defend yourself and fight for what is yours but its not in your face everyday from a small age telling you how the "white man" killed your family because your beliefs a wrong and as a "soldier" of your God you must get revenge because thats what God wants. My friend from Lebanon was sent to an training camp when he was very young and was taught how to use a gun and saw war first hand. He had his religion and beliefs falsly taught to and forced onto him. He didnt have a choice and many people dont. Im not saying that Religion doesnt play a part in war and hate, but it isnt the reason for war and hate. As for religion seperating people, pfff. People make the choice to be un-educated about what they fight against and hate. I call those people stupid. There are a lot of them everywhere. Belief and faith aren't bad things and that's religion. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 3:58am |
 Coolness: 201315 | I was raised catholic, but I didn't have a strict household. My dad had no religion. My mother used to make me go to church but I don't think she really knew why. I went to a catholic school from kindergarten to grade 9. I actually chose to be baptized when I was 10 years old, as I had not been by my parents. Since then my idea of God and religion has changed very much and I no longer necessarily subscribe to the Christian faith. Perhaps one day I will write down my thoughts on the matter and give my personal 'religion' a name. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 3:59am |
| Coolness: 201315 | Oh yeah, war is always about territory/control of valuable materials. Religious 'war' was really more about expanding an empire. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 5:03am |
 Coolness: 91780 | If I were God, and I decided to give to man a set of moral instructions, I'd make damn sure that those instructions were crystal-clear and open to NO alternate interpretations whatsoever. For example, if I was actually a tolerant and compassionate God who doesn't mind my creations engaging in whatever sexual practices they see fit, I certainly wouldn't give the commandment that "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» hayley replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 10:33am |
| Coolness: 82735 | first and foremost, before reaching to god for salvation, shouldnt one believe in ones self beyond all things? you cant sincerely and whole heartedly believe in somethign else without possessing faith in your own being. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 11:24am |
 Coolness: 56290 | religion can and is used as a scapegoat. People blame religion for all sorts of things.
Is it really to blame? I would say no because religion depends upon people and it's people, if anything, that have misused religion. Religion, I think, is not inherently bad. I've said that I do not believe in religions. I would like to clarify. Ever since I was 15 I have been researching different religions on my search for justice. I decided to do this after I realized how ignorant I was about religion. I used to brush off religion talk with "the bible was probably written by people on acid" line. So, I eventually went to check it out for myself. What I found was that many religions, if not all, contain som truth. Some more than others, I suppose. There is alot of good things about religions like Katie and other people pointed out. For us to discuss religion, we ought to define it so that we can all be on the same page. I can see some people not liking that idea cuz it sounds so school-like I suppose. "GOD" let's people do what they want to a certain point. It is unrealistic, however, to think that we can go on polluting that which we need to live and live forever. There are consequences to actions. REligion is a way of life. Religion can be important. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 11:24am |
| Coolness: 685680 | Originally posted by JIGGAWAT...
first and foremost, before reaching to god for salvation, shouldnt one believe in ones self beyond all things? you cant sincerely and whole heartedly believe in somethign else without possessing faith in your own being. If you believe in yourself and that your in control of your life, then why the need for believing in god? Once you've attained the point when you realise that your in charge of your life and that YOU have to get off your ass and DO things yourself, why is there still a need for god? People only "talk" to god when they've lost all hope and have no faith in themselves, much the same way that wiccans "cast spells", aka pray for assistance from the "spiritual elements"/godess/whatever. People who believe in anything other than themselves are either weak and need the re-inforcement that they can't give themselves (which, they in fact ARE giving themselves by the simple act of praying to their deaf and apathetic deity) or they have serious mental issues in much the same way as crackpots who think that they have a dragon living in their garage. There's this blonde joke that comes to mind whenever anyone talks about religion and god and praying. It's got to do with a blonde that's really, really poor, and she prays to god every night to let her win the lottery so that she could be out of her financial troubles. She spends months and months praying to god that she really, really needs the money and that she needs to win the lottery, and finally the clouds part and she hears the voice of god tell her "Meet me half-way on this one, go buy a lottery ticket." You can interpret the moral behind this however you see fit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Fri Feb 4, 2005 @ 11:36am |
| Coolness: 56290 | from the etymology ( the science of word origins) dictionary online
hemorrhoids 1398, emeroudis, from O.Fr. emorroides, from L. hæmorrhoidæ, from Gk. haimorrhoides, pl. of haimorrhois, from haima "blood" + rhoos "a stream, a flowing," from rhein "to flow." [ www.etymonline.com ] I'm not sure what this proves but whatever.. word origins are word origins/ |
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