Afganistan Is Smelling More And More Like Vietnam.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Mar 29, 2009 @ 10:51am |
 Coolness: 106090 | Obama Shifts Strategy in Afghanistan: More Troops, Modest Goals
by Nancy A. Youssef and Margaret Talev WASHINGTON - Shifting U.S. objectives in Afghanistan away from the Bush administration's promise to build a Western-style democracy, President Barack Obama will announce on Friday that he's deploying thousands of additional American troops and civilians to achieve more modest goals, such as enhancing security and promoting economic development, U.S. officials said. he announcement comes days before Obama heads to Europe to ask allies for more troops, civilians, and money in the eight-year war against the Taliban and al Qaida. It also comes as the U.S. prepares to deploy as many as 17,500 more troops to Afghanistan to reclaim the U.S. stake in a fight that's languished as the Bush administration focused on Iraq. The new strategy will call for an additional 4,000 troops from the 4th brigade, 82nd Airborne Division out of Fort Bragg, N.C., to train Afghan forces, U.S. officials said. As the administration trickles in more forces, it will also "surge" of hundreds diplomats and civilian specialists to help run elections, fighting rampant corruption and battle increased narcotics trafficking. It also calls for tripling economic aid to Pakistan. Three administration officials said that they also expect NATO countries to promise more troops during the president's visit overseas next week. The officials briefed reporters Thursday on the condition of anonymity because the president hadn't yet made his plans public. Obama also briefed members of Congress and called Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari on Thursday to brief them on his strategic review, telling everyone involved that the U.S. commitment there was "not a blank check." To succeed, however, the administration's strategy must address the growing Islamic militancy in neighboring, nuclear-armed Pakistan, which is a source of supplies, haven and training for Afghan militants, and the rampant corruption of Karzai's U.S.-backed regime. Read the rest at: [ www.commondreams.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Mar 29, 2009 @ 6:15pm |
 Coolness: 145175 | why we're even there is a mystery to me... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Anarkoid replied on Mon Mar 30, 2009 @ 10:59pm |
 Coolness: 192650 | I might be wrong, but I would say because little girls have the right to go to school |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Mon Mar 30, 2009 @ 11:24pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Mar 31, 2009 @ 6:56pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By ANARKOID
I might be wrong You are absolutely right |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Tue Mar 31, 2009 @ 7:11pm |
 Coolness: 150435 | Oh come on guys, there has to be more than the just the ideal of having these girls go to school for NATO to invade that country. I thought it was about that guy there. You know the one... Turban, long beard. Wishes death upon all the west. What's his name again? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch replied on Tue Mar 31, 2009 @ 8:44pm |
 Coolness: 162475 | Kenny rogers ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Mar 31, 2009 @ 9:13pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | They still havent found that bugger, havent they?
At least our troops are "freeing" the women of Afghanistan. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Apr 1, 2009 @ 8:38pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | Originally Posted By ANARKOID
I might be wrong, but I would say because little girls have the right to go to school as if we give a fuck about that... Afghanistan is all, about pipe lines |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed Apr 1, 2009 @ 8:48pm |
| Coolness: 150435 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
Afghanistan is all, about pipe lines This the reason why I am confident that NATO will invade Pakistan next. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Apr 2, 2009 @ 5:30pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | More on that... [ www.commondreams.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 3:23am |
| Coolness: 150435 | Hey man, if you like what you read on Common Dreams, I can recommend you this website.
[ www.globalresearch.ca ] There are a lot of great articles that I am sure you will find interesting. Cheers. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 10:36am |
| Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By MICO
Hey man, if you like what you read on Common Dreams, I can recommend you this website. [ www.globalresearch.ca ] There are a lot of great articles that I am sure you will find interesting. Cheers. I've been to that site before... depressing as fuk. thanks anyways :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 2:59pm |
 Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Kenny rogers ? lol Why are the states in afganistan? because war kills people, and we'd rather the people dying be... not us. You see, the population is too hippie-a-listic. Only the Gov knows that death is a fact, not a tragedy. If you're not fighting for your way of life, through violent means, you're essentially giving up. And giving up leads to extinction. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 5:16pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
lol Why are the states in afganistan? because war kills people, and we'd rather the people dying be... not us. You see, the population is too hippie-a-listic. Only the Gov knows that death is a fact, not a tragedy. If you're not fighting for your way of life, through violent means, you're essentially giving up. And giving up leads to extinction. Are you quoting "Mein Kempf" or Machiavelli? The U.S. are not fighting for their way of life. If anything they are forfeiting there way of life so a few can get ridiculously rich. p.s. There was no war in Afghanistan before the U.S. invaded. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 8:29pm |
| Coolness: 509535 | Take the following with a grain of salt because I don't think many of you are mentally able to take what I have to say in an objective enough manner to not hate me after reading it.
I wasn't quoting anything... Living beings are not violence free, violence and hatred help define ourselves and our way of life more than you might think. Think about the anger we feel when women are oppressed. Think about the anger we feel when an unjust system is in control. That anger can absolutely not be pushed aside without some form of violence, unless the person feeling the anger is somehow convinced that his perspective is wrong, which is sad imo. Truth is, no one's perspective is wrong. We are human, we are capable of great and of despicable things; and the only thing separating the two is perspective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. What I hate are people who don't understand that, life will be tough for them. In any case, a single human life is totally meaningless. Only life in general is worth preserving, and the fact is that it's impossible to preserve an individual life, but so many people lie to themselves, tell themselves that they are important. If you truly believe in something, you damn well better be ready to physically fight for it, otherwise you obviously don't feel that strongly about it. There's no such thing as peaceful victory. Compromise is no victory, by definition compromise means that both parties are giving in. Besides, conflict breeds change, and change is adaptation. So without conflict, we'd all be long gone by now. Imagine the very first single celled organism, if he never had any competition, that's all life would still be. Humans seriously need to get over our superiority complex, we're no better or worse than a mosquito, a dog or a tin can. In any case, I am not condoning war. Nato is in Afghanistan for many reasons but one is drug trade and the enormous sums of money it provides for extremists. If our world leaders were smart, they would stop the war on drugs. Hell everything should be legal, because when something is legal, it can be controlled and moderated. For an extreme example, imagine if child porn was legal... you'd be able to track the people who partake, then when some kid gets harmed, you'd already have a full list of possible offenders. But now it's illegal so you have to start from scratch, fact is no one is ever willing to admit being a pedophile, so finding these people is fricking hard. If anyone ever harms a child, they deserve to be murdered. And if money could be changed to not hold so much meaningless value, sexual abuse wouldn't be a problem, the only reason it is is because families in the third world stand to gain so much more money from just taking off their clothes than by actually being useful in society. How fucked is that? If we weren't so stuck up about nudity, sex, drugs, all taboos, we wouldn't have these problems to begin with! Fuck human rights or anti-death penalty people, there ARE scum in this world and they should be wiped the fuck off our planet. Who's decision would that be? Everyone's and no one's at the same time, because no one is more right or wrong than anyone else. There's no such thing! Yes, there ARE truths, but given the indisputable fact that everyone does exactly what they think is best, you can't judge anyone for anything. We 'feel' because of evolution, we do what we do because we think it will help us survive, nothing more. I say an 'eye for an eye' given circumstance is more than fair. Anyone who knowingly causes sufficient direct harm to anyone else should get the gullotine. Problem solved once and forall. No more billions of dollars keeping prisons open... fucking prisoners are treated better than 10% of society! that ain't right. Take another extreme example, legalize heroin or crack. You'd have heroin shops where people could buy it safely, where they could impose limits on consumption. And finally weak ass fools would kill themselves off instead of them ALL being pushed underground, threatening our society from beneath; breaking into our cars and homes for pennies to keep their habbit. The only law should be 'do no harm'. Everything else is biased perversion of control. There's no such thing as a human right anyway, we're all at the mercy as everyone else. Laws are only threats and don't apply for those who are never caught. Murder is illegal but internationaly it's legal and called 'war'. wtf?! Hypocrites!! all of us! say what you will. My only strong belief is not to believe in anything too strongly, I am ultra open minded and don't listen to conservative fools who want to restrict the actions of others, it's none of their frikin business. And HEY, the human race is going to be a million year fad, eventually we WILL exhaust the natural resources of our planet, and we WILL die off. Even if we do colonize the solar system and beyond, we won't be the same then. Everyone dies, death is NOT a tragedy. Human life is NOT precious, only life in general is, and there's nothing we can do to stop our own eventual demise. So stop and smell the rose, do what makes you feel best and try not to harm anyone else along your way. And if you want the world to change, change yourself. The future is pure transparency... as resources shrivel up. Some day there will be 0 privacy and as extreme as that may sound. It will certainly solve a hell of a lot of problems. Of course a lot of other things will have to change radically too. Worldwide salary caps, renewable living laws, corporate responsbility will actually be enforced, fuck a corporation being it's own entity, that's so unrealistic it's frigthening!!! ok my rant is over. I take it all back. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 9:09pm |
| Coolness: 150435 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
I've been to that site before... depressing as fuk. thanks anyways :) Hehehe, I know what you mean. And there has been war in Afghanistan for at least the last 30-years. Even more than that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 9:35pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | I'm not saying that they didnt see war in the last 100 years, just saying that at the precise moment when the U.S. (and the allies) invaded Afghanistan searching for Bin Laden, they weren't waging any war (to my recollection)
So Mike, sounds like you got things all figured out have ya? I suggest you take your own theories with a grain of salt. ;-) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 10:42pm |
| Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
I'm not saying that they didnt see war in the last 100 years, just saying that at the precise moment when the U.S. (and the allies) invaded Afghanistan searching for Bin Laden, they weren't waging any war (to my recollection) So Mike, sounds like you got things all figured out have ya? I suggest you take your own theories with a grain of salt. ;-) I do :) you obviously disagree with me on many points... so tell me, how IS the world? all we have is our perception.. even the words we use aren't precisely matched in defintion due to our own personal context |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Fri Apr 3, 2009 @ 11:51pm |
| Coolness: 150435 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
I'm not saying that they didnt see war in the last 100 years, just saying that at the precise moment when the U.S. (and the allies) invaded Afghanistan searching for Bin Laden, they weren't waging any war (to my recollection) I dunno if you would want to call it an All Out War, but there were conflicts going on between the Taliban and other factions that were going on for almost 10-years. I guess you could call it a Civil War. |
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