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Birth Rate 'Harms Poverty Goals'
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Dec 11, 2006 @ 1:42pm |
 Coolness: 92255 | The UN's Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) are "difficult or impossible to meet" without curbing population growth, a UK parliamentary group says.
It concludes that a high birth rate in poor nations contributes to poor health and education and environmental damage. The global population is forecast to reach about nine billion by 2050. The All Party Parliamentary Group on Population, Development and Reproductive Health will publish its report later this month. The MDGs are going to be difficult or impossible to attain without a levelling out of population growth Richard Ottaway MP It has spent six months taking evidence from expert witnesses for the report, Population Growth - Its Impact on the MDGs. "No country has ever raised itself out of poverty without stabilising population growth," said the group's vice-chairman, Richard Ottaway MP, at a seminar on population issues this week. "And the MDGs are going to be difficult or impossible to attain without a levelling out of population growth in developing countries." Dividing world Over the course of the last century, the global population rose from under two billion to just over six billion. The bulk of the growth came in developing countries. "Ethiopia had five million people in 1900; now it has 64 million, of whom eight million are receiving food aid," said Mr Ottaway. The projected figure for 2050, he said, was 145 million. THE MILLENNIUM GOALS 1: Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger 2: Achieve universal primary education 3: Promote gender equality and empower women 4: Reduce child mortality 5: Improve maternal health 6: Combat HIV/AIDS, malaria, and other diseases 7: Ensure environmental sustainability 8: Develop a global partnership for development Growth is now levelling off in most of Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East; but in much of sub-Saharan Africa it remains very high. Whereas many Asian countries are seeing birth rates of about two children per family, some African nations are still around five per family. The UN's own report into the MDGs earlier this year noted that the number of people living on less than $1 a day in Asia dropped by nearly a quarter of a billion people between 1990 and 2002. But in Africa, the number in extreme poverty increased by 140 million. Easy as ABC Mr Ottaway told the seminar, organised by the Population and Sustainability Network, that high birth rates compromised adults and children through: Poorer infant nutrition Higher risk of death in pregnancy and childbirth Less chance of receiving education "I would agree with that," said Dr Tiziana Leone, a population studies lecturer at the London School of Economics who submitted evidence to the All Party Group. "We do see an impact of rapid population growth on poverty and on the health of mothers and babies," she told the BBC News website. "But we are also seeing an impact of the ABC rule (Abstinence, Be faithful, Condoms) for funding health programmes which has shifted a lot of funds into the A and the B, and you're seeing the price of condoms in Uganda for instance going really high." The ABC approach is encouraged by the US government, which was accused earlier this month by the UN's HIV/Aids envoy Stephen Lewis of practising "incipient neo-colonialism" by telling African nations how to fight the disease. On the environmental side, Mr Ottaway said the evidence was more equivocal. Population growth was not at the moment contributing to climate change, he said, because the fastest growth was seen in countries with the lowest emissions. But it did contribute to strains on water resources, fish stocks, farmland, forests and wildlife. Earlier this year, the head of the British Antarctic Survey, Chris Rapley, said the Earth was struggling to sustain current population levels. Period of doubt In the 1950s and 60s, concern about the Earth's burgeoning population was widespread among academics, including economists, said Adair Turner, who also spoke at the London seminar. Mr Turner headed the British government's Pensions Commission and is a former director of the Confederation of British Industry. "The economics community went through a period of doubting whether it should be addressing the issue," he said. "That was primarily for reasons of economic theory, although there were religious reasons in there too." Now, he said, economists were revisiting the subject. Even in developed nations, said Mr Turner, going beyond a certain population density would impact economic progress. He said the approach should be to tackle high birth rates with voluntary measures - providing education for women and making family planning available - with which Richard Ottaway agreed. "We have the solution; it's not that difficult," he said. "The question is: will we go for it?" Richard.Black-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Mon Dec 11, 2006 @ 4:43pm |
 Coolness: 178635 | Hmm, globalement, faudrait éliminer 2-3 milliards d'humains. La Terre a pas assez de ressources pour tous nous supporter en ce moment. Fak d'ici 2050, ça va aller en empirant.
Mais, je crois que si on fait rien, ça va faire comme une communauté de bactéries dans un Petri: La population humaine va augmenter exponentiellement, pis à moment donné, il va tellement y avoir de monde qu'il va y avoir des épidémies. Pis les 3/4 de la population vont mourir. Pis ça va recommencer à zéro. La nature a ses moyens de garder l'équilibre... ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Dec 11, 2006 @ 4:52pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Tue Dec 12, 2006 @ 7:29am |
 Coolness: 56190 | I suppose mong is that down-syndrome looking kids name. lol
Well, my attitude hasn't changed since I developed it.. it's my duty to try and not have children partly because the world is overpopulated. I try not to have sex. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed Dec 13, 2006 @ 5:02pm |
 Coolness: 201215 | You can have sex without getting people pregnant, believe it or not.
One of the big players here are religious fundamentalists who are against the use of condoms and encourage people to have large families, even in the most destitute of places. If you can't feed yourself don't have kids! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Wed Dec 13, 2006 @ 5:24pm |
| Coolness: 178635 | Exactly. Use condoms and pills. So you can still have fun, without the risks :)
Religious fundamentalists don't want people to use condoms, but in the same time, people die of AIDs. We live in a fucked-up world. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Wed Dec 13, 2006 @ 6:35pm |
| Coolness: 56190 | When you live in impoverished circumstances, and have very little access to very much of anything, and your life is generally miserable, no matter how strong you are-- it's hard to deny yourself the pleasure of sex. You can have sex and it is free, believe it ot not;P Anyway, 'everyone can know' the extent that the environment one lives in can impact the decisions one makes. In these environmental conditions that we all live in generally, it is very difficult to abstain from sex.
I don't subscribe to the motto by " any means available". Do you? In other words, though I see the utility of the pill and condoms, all I am saying is that it sure the fuck wont cure aids, or the transmission of VD's, or even the over-population problem. In fact, I'm pretty sure though it is not 100 % proven that the pill will contribute to other undesirable effects possibly sterility, and hormone imbalance related problems. And the condom, well, I can only imagine. But anyway, alot of the experts, the non religious fundamentalist experts of the western and richest coutries in the world, told me it was okay to use the pill and the condom and I believed them. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Thu Dec 14, 2006 @ 9:12am |
| Coolness: 50960 | condoms and birth control pills arent cures for anything; they arent even advertised as being cures. they're preventive measures |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Dec 14, 2006 @ 4:34pm |
| Coolness: 685580 | yeah, and I'd love to see all the *POOR* 3rd world people be able to AFFORD condoms or the pill. FFS they can't even afford pottable water, electricity and proper medication/healthcare. You think they're really gonna "spend" whatever money they have towards birth controll? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Dec 14, 2006 @ 4:49pm |
 Coolness: 339655 | Originally Posted By MORPHINE
condoms and birth control pills arent cures for anything; they arent even advertised as being cures. they're preventive measures Condoms are for sailors and prostitutes! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Thu Dec 14, 2006 @ 8:34pm |
| Coolness: 178635 | yarrr.
***yeah, and I'd love to see all the *POOR* 3rd world people be able to AFFORD condoms or the pill. FFS they can't even afford pottable water, electricity and proper medication/healthcare. You think they're really gonna "spend" whatever money they have towards birth controll?*** Ouais, mais y'en distribuaient pas gratuitement à moment donné? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Dec 14, 2006 @ 10:38pm |
| Coolness: 201215 | condoms should be given out for free in poor countries... But the religious fundamentalists wouldn't want that would they ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Fri Dec 15, 2006 @ 7:16am |
| Coolness: 56190 | morphine: it's true they are not advertised as cures and more as a preventative measures. I think what I was trying to say was that too often we focus on 'artificial' (the pill, for example, to achieve certain results. Ideally, we ought to prefer and support more natural means, in this case, I suppose it would be self-control amongst other things. I know it might sound really crazy or too ideal or not feasible. But birth control for example, for the small benefit of preventing a supposed unwanted pregnancy can necessarily lead to other bodily complications for the species (hormonal imbalances, and sterility, for example).
I read some excellent research on the subject of birth control. I will try and find the name of the article so I can pass it on. But it discussed how pharmaceutical companies tested their products, sometimes, offering money to the participants as a reward. Often, the pill was tested in areas that were impoverished, where people very much needed money, or where there was alot of coke addicts, for example. They also discussed the notion of wether or not people, in general, were actually autonomous or responsible to truly making an informed decision or not to take something like birth control. scotty P: I don't know if it's just me but the sentence you wrote above makes me think that maybe you may think that if someone wouldn't want condoms to be given out for free in poor coutries that that would make them a religious fundamentalist.. that's not what you are saying right? we should give condoms for free in poor countries its the least we could do. In the meantime, we ought to be working on more sustainable and durable system changes that would have at its effect a decrease of people having sex, when it really isn't feasible, not that that is the only thing we should have in view. Because certainly the facct that there are so many people who's basic needs aren't even fulfilled does pose a big problem in itself, |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Dec 15, 2006 @ 1:34pm |
 Coolness: 509550 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYP
condoms should be given out for free in poor countries... But the religious fundamentalists wouldn't want that would they ? fuck that, we're gonna pay for them to have safe sex? let em ruin their lives and be moronic ignorant piles of... human. take care of yourself, be a good example of how to live and that's ALL you can hope for when it comes to helping the world. HAVE kids and teach them what you know so that future generations aren't full of ignorant rapists with no morals or common sense. |
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