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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 1:23pm
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Dear RaveWaveRs,
This message goes out to all my hommies and... no wait. This message goes out to any DJ, producer or electronic wizards.

I recently came into some decent investment money. My first goal is to start DJing at psy parties by simply being (among) the best, I assume I need some CDJ's if I want to learn properly and start recording sets. Here's where I need advice:
firstly, what CDJ's do I buy?
-What CDJ's are great quality, fully featured and priced reasonably?
-Is buying CDJ's a mistake from any perspective?
-Should I be investing in hardware synths, drum machines or something else instead?

I always see CDJ's already at parties, and I don't want to buy 700$ CDJ's if I am never going to use them. Resell price must be a consideration due to that.

I also want to buy a midi device, so a keyboard I guess.
-Any suggestions here?
-What about brands? Models? Necessary features?

I appreciate any advice anyone may have to offer! Thank you very much for considering my request and hope to play your favorite song at a party soon ;)

peace
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 1:51pm
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Originally posted by ALIEN ZED...

My first goal is to start DJing at psy parties by simply being (among) the best.


Dude cool it... I hope you're joking cause even if motivation is always welcomed, don't consider this as a race... all take times (and even more sometimes). The "better than the rest" attitude will only come slappin' back at your face before you even have time to realise it... and in my opinion, that's a good thing!

-What CDJ's are great quality, fully featured and priced reasonably?

Pioneer CDJ-100s and 200 models for sure... I won't recommend any specific models cause that's a whole other discussion and the point of view on the matter is subject to the person holding it. Try to check for used ones.

100s: [ www.moogaudio.com ]
200: [ www.moogaudio.com ]

-Is buying CDJ's a mistake from any perspective?

Psy music? At all. It's not like you have any other realistic options available for ya.

-Should I be investing in hardware synths, drum machines or something else instead?

I don't recommend it. Wait and see if you wanna keep going. Get your basic stock for now and if you wanna push further (and have the financials for it)than by all means go ahead... then. I have to mention that DJing isn't a cheap hobby.

Hope this helped a bit.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 2:48pm
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Originally posted by LONE STAR...

Dude cool it... I hope you're joking cause even if motivation is always welcomed, don't consider this as a race... all take times (and even more sometimes). The "better than the rest" attitude will only come slappin' back at your face before you even have time to realise it... and in my opinion, that's a good thing!


I am in no way arrogant or 'setting myself up' for disapointment. It may be hard for others to be believe, but once I get ahold of the equipment I need, I am fairly confident I will blow away the competition. Don't take this as a challenge or as me saying I am better than anyone else though.
The main strength a DJ has is in his collection of music, and I have by far the most complete collection when it comes to full on psy (I have access to albums that will be released in June). No one knows it yet, but I'll be one hell of a psy ambassador soon.
Besides, I've been living, eating and breathing psy for 8 years, which is more than most dj's can claim. I may not end up being the best, but I promise I will surpass any DJ who doesn't have his full heart in it.

Originally posted by LONE STAR...

-What CDJ's are great quality, fully featured and priced reasonably?

Pioneer CDJ-100s and 200 models for sure... I won't recommend any specific models cause that's a whole other discussion and the point of view on the matter is subject to the person holding it. Try to check for used ones.

100s: [ www.moogaudio.com ]
200: [ www.moogaudio.com ]

-Is buying CDJ's a mistake from any perspective?

Psy music? At all. It's not like you have any other realistic options available for ya.

I don't understand 'Psy Music? At all.' What do you mean by this? Do you mean to say it's 'not at all a mistake from the psy music perspective'? or 'all perspectives are a mistake'? Please clarify :)

Originally posted by LONE STAR...

-Should I be investing in hardware synths, drum machines or something else instead?

I don't recommend it. Wait and see if you wanna keep going. Get your basic stock for now and if you wanna push further (and have the financials for it)than by all means go ahead... then. I have to mention that DJing isn't a cheap hobby.

Hope this helped a bit.


I've been at it for 8 years now, I think i'll keep going :) In fact I KNOW i'll keep going. Raves account for one of the main reasons I enjoy this thing we call life. And I've been to too many parties where mediocre DJ's get paid and I have to pay. It's time to shake the scene up with some truly skilled competition (wishful thinking? you be the judge!)

Maybe I will crash and fall but If I go down, I'm taking you with me! I mean, if I go down, i might as well go down hard. Not all investments are worthwhile, but I'm ready.
I appreciate your post though! i will check out those mixers and likely make a decision and buy em next week. Thank you!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horizon replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 3:18pm
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cdj 100s with DJM mixer 300 or 500. I find the 200s abit a pain in the ass, i mean there good, but the 100s assure a better beatmatched mix. Well some people will think different, but this is my personal opinion. But ull save a few bucks to with the 100s, however im not sure how current djm300 mixers are these days... good luck, greg
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 3:36pm
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Originally posted by DJ HORIZON...

cdj 100s with DJM mixer 300 or 500. I find the 200s abit a pain in the ass, i mean there good, but the 100s assure a better beatmatched mix. Well some people will think different, but this is my personal opinion. But ull save a few bucks to with the 100s, however im not sure how current djm300 mixers are these days... good luck, greg


thank you DJ Horizon! seems like the CDJ 100's are the obvious choice.

Does anyone recommend against buying used CDJ's?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Horizon replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 3:47pm
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unless u want a rack set. but could be skeetchy... u cant really go wrong with a pair of 100s... and also 3 effects, wah, zip, phase
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 4:49pm
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I also want to buy a midi device, so a keyboard I guess.
-Any suggestions here?
-What about brands? Models? Necessary features?


What's more important.. octaves? Knobs? sliders? Is it for DJ'ing or production or both?

If you just want an answer out of my ass though I'd say the alesis photon25X is a good option... It has rotary controllers, a fancy xyz mod controller, good keys, and is portable.. and has a soundcard built in (although it is not that great)... Oliver got one and it's a good bang for your buck device.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 5:41pm
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pioneer cdj 100's and 200's are both cheap toys...

they are fine to learn with and are under 500 bucks... cheap as hell but you should take in mind they are not the industry standard and don't behave anything like a real turntable digital or otherwise.

anyway... the pro's use pioneer cdj-1000's (there is also the cdj-800 if yer on a budget) cuz they are simply the fuckin' bomb.

but they cost about 3 times as much as the 100's and 200's.

i'm also under the impression that pioneer is about to upgrade thier line to read more formats than just cda.

so ya might wanna wait a few months if yer buying new?

and oh yeah....

if you decide to become some sort of phycadelic trance dj you might wanna reconsider cuz its super gay and the only pussy those guys get are smelly bohemians with hairy armpits.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 5:47pm
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hEY mIKE..

well man, its cool you want to learn how to beatmatch and stuff, but why the hell would you want to start waisting your time DJ'ing when you make kickass music?? Has frank been influencing you these days?? lol.. ;)

Bro, if i were you, i wouldn't even invest a penny or a second in learning to beatmatch, especailly since the scene is pretty much falling down to the shitters.. work on a webpage to promote your music, an on-line MP3 store where you can sell your music maybe.. i dunno.. or whatever, try and be amongst the best of the dj's (whatever that means) and take music production time to learn to beatmatch.. then once that's done, add about 3000$'s on CD's per year (unless your frank) llooll, take tons of time promoting yourself and contact labels, invest money to throw little parties or bring down a LIVE act ..

honestly, at your point, being the producer you are, you don't need to take a step downwards towards Djing.. but if you have the money to spare, and the time to invest and the passion to practice alot, by all means take Horizon's advice and buy the 100's or the 800's or even the CMX - 3000 rack set (all from Pioneer) with a DJM 500 or 600 or any mixer will do really.. :)

good luck bro !
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 5:51pm
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Originally posted by CLOWN...

hEY mIKE..
but why the hell would you want to start waisting your time DJ'ing when you make kickass music?? Has frank been influencing you these days?? lol.. ;)

good luck bro !


Frank the Tank !
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 6:14pm
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Probbaly because promoters in Montreal don't seem to give 2 shits about live acts unless they are on some super label and would rather book mindless DJs instead :D
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 6:26pm
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Originally posted by SCOTTYP...

Probbaly because promoters in Montreal don't seem to give 2 shits about live acts unless they are on some super label and would rather book mindless DJs instead :D


heheheheheheh
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 7:19pm
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well, its either you work to get a few gigs, or you work to get a super label.. don't take the easy way out that's all.. :)

p.s. Mike, buy a laptop !! :)
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 8:46pm
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Originally posted by SCOTTYP...

Probbaly because promoters in Montreal don't seem to give 2 shits about live acts unless they are on some super label and would rather book mindless DJs instead :D


thats funny, cause the DJ, mindless or not, is part of what keeps the producers going, so what exactly are you trying to say as a producer? that your muzik can only ever be played as a live set, and you wouldn't be willing to let others mix it into other peoples muzik??? if ur guna hate on tools, best know what they do...

and as far as becoming the best at anything, its not impossible, you just have to want it bad enough and have the endurance to make it happen, good luck...

Ufot-give me a frikin new skool break...
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 10:23pm
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"The main strength a DJ has is in his collection of music."

Meh... I say it goes a little more than just that.

I had no clue you were around for 8 years... so I guess that changes a few things now doesn't it?! hmmm okay forget my second statement, it was obviously a sentence I started writting and forgot to delete it. So yeah... I said what needed to be said. Good luck!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 10:25pm
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Originally posted by SCOTTYP...

I also want to buy a midi device, so a keyboard I guess.
-Any suggestions here?
-What about brands? Models? Necessary features?


What's more important.. octaves? Knobs? sliders? Is it for DJ'ing or production or both?

If you just want an answer out of my ass though I'd say the alesis photon25X is a good option... It has rotary controllers, a fancy xyz mod controller, good keys, and is portable.. and has a soundcard built in (although it is not that great)... Oliver got one and it's a good bang for your buck device.


awesome! thanx
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:17pm
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Originally posted by MURDOCK ROCK...

pioneer cdj 100's and 200's are both cheap toys...

they are fine to learn with and are under 500 bucks... cheap as hell but you should take in mind they are not the industry standard and don't behave anything like a real turntable digital or otherwise.

anyway... the pro's use pioneer cdj-1000's (there is also the cdj-800 if yer on a budget) cuz they are simply the fuckin' bomb.

but they cost about 3 times as much as the 100's and 200's.

i'm also under the impression that pioneer is about to upgrade thier line to read more formats than just cda.

so ya might wanna wait a few months if yer buying new?

and oh yeah....

if you decide to become some sort of phycadelic trance dj you might wanna reconsider cuz its super gay and the only pussy those guys get are smelly bohemians with hairy armpits.


i've gotten pussy like you wouldn't believe
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:22pm
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Originally posted by LONE STAR...

"The main strength a DJ has is in his collection of music."

Meh... I say it goes a little more than just that.

I had no clue you were around for 8 years... so I guess that changes a few things now doesn't it?! hmmm okay forget my second statement, it was obviously a sentence I started writting and forgot to delete it. So yeah... I said what needed to be said. Good luck!


(i apologize for this reply post frenzy)

of course a music collection has to be used properly. I refer more to the quality of my best tracks(in my collection) rather than the size of the collection itself. I know a good song when I hear one and I think I could be an awesome selector :)

again though I appreciate your input, thanx!!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Fri Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:23pm
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My pleasure.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Sun Mar 26, 2006 @ 10:42am
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