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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 12:52am |
 Coolness: 49860 | Because neuro linguistic programming is pimpin out the scene... I present to you 100% Tardcore approved....
+ 1 Special Article!!!!!!!!!!1111 THUG LYFE. The Brain Game How Do We Run Our Own Brain? So you want to run your own brain? Good for you. What a wonderful objective! And so rare. Many people talk about running their own brain and taking charge of their own mind, but just watch them when criticized or insulted. They go to pieces. Let one of their closely held beliefs be questioned, and watch out. Sudden it becomes semantic reaction time. They explode with rage, anger, stress, fear, shock, etc. If they truly "run their own brains," how is it that they lack state management skills in the moments when managing one's reactions really counts? Running our own brain, and thinking freely in independent ways apart from rehashing worn-out or spoon fed thoughts necessitates several things. It necessitates that we develop mindfulness about our brains (or more accurately, our minds) so that we actually develop state management skills. It means we learn to play a new Game, The "Running My Own Brain" Game. So, with that in mind: * What do you need to understand about brains to be able to run yours? * Would you like to play the Brain Game? SEVEN BRAIN FACTS Here are seven things about your brain. They provide a description about how brains work. They also establish an understanding of the Game of Running Your Own Brain and so lead to the Rules of the Game. #1: Brains Follow Directions Brains follow directions. They take the directions that you give them and they follow them. "John, did you see that red, white and blue cat yesterday? Yes, red, white and blue― in fact, the American Flag colors were bright red, white, and blue. Someone in the neighborhood must have thought it would be a patriotic thing to do. Where did I see it? On Linda's yellow car. It was being chased by a pair of French Poodles across the greenbelt by the swimming pool. That was just before King Kong climbed to the top of the school and beat his chest at the circling plane." Provide a little description and the brain goes to work representing the information on our internal mental screen. Like a movie director, brains use the information as instructions for our mental Cinema. This explains why the following are very important questions for our states: * What directions are you giving your brain? * What are the default instructions that you've learned to give your brain? * What instructions did your parents or teachers provide you about yourself, life, others, etc.? * How useful, ecological, healthy, balanced, valuable, true, etc. are those instructions? * Do those instructions create empowering states for you? * Would you want to give those instructions to your children? * Do they map out an exciting and loving life? Why are these questions so important? Because the quality of our lives is a function of the quality of the information processed by our brain. The quality of that information flows from the quality of its instructions. The most important thing you do in life then are the instructions that you give your brain. Are the instructions those that you would use to create a world-class movie? Recently a young man wrote to me. "I'm an extremely shy person. When I see a social situation, I avoid it because I say to myself that I'll have nothing to say and that I'll be a complete idiot because they will find me boring, then I'll feel depressed. So I just don't go. Every time I make a mistake, I feel stupid, then depressed. And that's what causes me to procrastinate. It's really stupid, and I know better, and I see it causing me to produce sub-optimally. I feel like these are insurmountable problems...." I copied the words from the email, cut and pasted them back into my reply. I then asked him to step back from the words and view them as brain instructions. "Just pretend for a moment that these are instructions for your brain. Are these ideas healthy or sick ones? Would you recommend this way of thinking? Suppose the most popular kid at the university thought this way. How much of a party would these instructions make his or her life?" There's a principle in this. Namely, feed your brain toxic ideas and you enter into a toxic world. Your brain will go there because that's what brains do. Brains go places. Just this week I caught a Brain (thank God it wasn't mine) going to "Worst Case Scenario!" The person was talking about terrorism in the world. He then entertained unimaginable scenarios. Then he freaked out. Then he said, "This shouldn't happen!" And I can tell you, these instructions did not put him in a very resourceful state. Brains use words, pictures, sounds, tones, volumes, smells, tastes, all kinds of things as the basis for swishing us places. Mention a word and off your brain goes. But where? It depends on your learning history, experiences, memories, imaginations, hopes, etc. Brains are phenomenal at linking things. They do so very, very quickly. Actually, this is one of the chief problems we have with our brains. The problem is not that they don't learn, but that they learn too quickly. It's just what they learn that often times is just not true or useful. Brains are also incredible instruments that never shut down. Even in sleep, we dream as brain wave activity continues. This becomes a problem if we don't give the brain lots of interesting things to process. The stimulus hunger of brains will trigger them to play the old B-rated movies or hallucinate freely. #2: Brains Externalize Instructions We can see a person's internal world of ideas and frames by noticing the person's external Games. External life reflects internal frames. The behavioral, speech, and action Games that we play on the outside are expressions of our internal frames of mind. They go together. Games and Rules of the Games. The old proverb put it this way: "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he." A philosopher put this yet another way: "As thy thoughts are so will thy mind be also; for the soul takes its coloring from thought." "If you are pained by an external thing, it is not this thing that disturbs you―but your judgment about it." Brains manifest internal representation into the external world so that we externalize our internal frames and representations. What does this mean? Namely, that our external world will only be as exciting, vibrant, dramatic, and powerful as our internal frames of mind. So, a |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 1:04am |
 Coolness: 150535 | This is an awesome article.
"John, did you see that red, white and blue cat yesterday? Yes, red, white and blue― in fact, the American Flag colors were bright red, white, and blue. Someone in the neighborhood must have thought it would be a patriotic thing to do. Where did I see it? On Linda's yellow car. It was being chased by a pair of French Poodles across the greenbelt by the swimming pool. That was just before King Kong climbed to the top of the school and beat his chest at the circling plane."
Provide a little description and the brain goes to work representing the information on our internal mental screen This quote, reminds me so much of something I once wrote, during the times when I, myself, tried to play this game. ...To fail miserably, I might add. Tardcore, where did you get this? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 1:49am |
| Coolness: 49860 | my friend sent me some internet links.
But its really true you program yourself all the time and you are doing it right now by saying you failed miserably at it and you are relating your negative experiance with it and or esstentialy saying or atleast i am percieving that you dont think it works. but if you know anything about frames or meta frame this shit works... because your brain is just a computer that takes data and processes it no matter what, so if you could harness the instructions you give to it you could harness the quality of experiance and mold it into what you please. it is basicly solipism atleast i believe so. SOLIPISM [ www.geocities.com ] Wether solopism is true or not, it is a very powerful mindset to have if you can master your own solopism that you are like Neo in the matrix... bendin social interactions and breaking rules and its just badass... many of you wont realize this but it gives you INFINITE POWER. UNLIMITED POWER. YOU BECOME GOD. But you become completely responsible for your life as a sideeffect, and how many of you are able to be completly responsible for your life, the harsh truth is not to many people are ready to do that and rather blame external forces for their fucked-upness. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 3:18am |
| Coolness: 150535 | (this is a little long, but...)
Hehe, I have no doubt (in my mind) that Solipism is real and "works". The only reason I would state that "I failed miserably" is the same reason I made my signature "...but what do I know?" The world may be yours. Yet, at the same time, the world is not your oyster. Wether solopism is true or not, it is a very powerful mindset to have if you can master your own solopism that you are like Neo in the matrix... bendin social interactions and breaking rules and its just badass... many of you wont realize this but it gives you INFINITE POWER. UNLIMITED POWER. YOU BECOME GOD.
As tantalizing as the prospect may be. I find it to be rather unrealistic, and -in may case- quite damaging. (egocentrism) Only because, we do not exist in our own exclusive universe, and do share our time spent here with other exsitential beings, and without that mentality, one could find themselves living in a bubble . With that said, bending or breaking rules to our own wims doesn't always work to our advantage. Much like you said... But you become completely responsible for your life as a sideeffect, and how many of you are able to be completly responsible for your life, the harsh truth is not to many people are ready to do that and rather blame external forces for their fucked-upness.
explained: Solipsism - a philosophical drug ?!
... If one gets too indulged into it he might get carried away. If taken very serious and if you believe in it and think about it too much, the effects are just like other drugs... ... Again and again you might ask yourself: what is wrong here?. ..am I the only sentient being here? Are these people really existing? Does anything really exist? Am I the only one to notice something? Ultimately, the idea behind all of this is to be comfortable, confident and happy with ones own consious and conscience. If any are capable of acheiving these goals without succombing to madness... props. The best way I can sum up my experiences with this is game is in a journal I posted: "Self?" Colonel: That's the proof of your incompetence, right there. You lack the qualifications to exercise free will. Raiden: That's not true! I have the right -- Rose: Does something like a "self" exist inside of you? Colonel: That which you call "self" serves as nothing more than a mask to cover your own being. Rose: In this era of ready-made 'truths', "self" is just something used to preserve those positive emotions that you occasionally feel... Colonel: ...Another possibility is that "self" is a concept you conveniently borrowed under the logic that it would endow you with some sense of strength... Raiden: That's crap! Colonel: Is it? Would you prefer that someone else tell you? Alright then. Explain it to him. Rose: Jack, you're simply the best! And you got there all by yourself! Raiden: Rrrr... Colonel: Oh, what happened? Do you feel lost? Why not try a bit of soul-searching? Rose: Don't think you'll find anything, though... Colonel: Ironic that although "self" is something that you yourself fashioned, every time something goes wrong, you turn around and place the blame on something else. Rose: It's not my fault. It's not your fault. Colonel: In denial, you simply resort to looking for another, more convenient "truth" in order to make yourself feel better. Rose: ...leaving behind in an instant the so-called "truth" you once embraced. Colonel: Should someone like that be able to decide what is "truth"? Rose: Should someone like you even have the right to decide? Colonel: You've done nothing but abuse your freedom. Rose: You don't deserve to be free! Colonel: We're not the ones smothering the world. You are. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 10:35am |
 Coolness: 55365 | This kind of shit is awesome. And never underestimate how much influence you actually do have over your circumstances and environment.
You need to check out the film "What the bleep do we know", as well as the books by Deepak Chobra, Stephen Hawkins, and Brian Greene. They talk about what you've both just said, but they put it in terms of astrophysics, space-time models, and quantum mechanical models. The matter that you call "real" is, after all, made up of 99.9999% empty vaccuum, and the 0.0001% that is not vacuum is a fluctuating probability cloud of energy. This also applies to the matter that makes you. Yet there is no segment of You where you fundamentally exist, no anatomical part of the body where the soul or mind resides. You exist inside a body that does not really exist and nobody knows where to find you. The world around you is like a thought, no matter what you've been conditioned to believe, and all signs in the highest of science is telling us this is fact. THe degree to which you believe you can influence your circumstances is the glass ceiling that limits the degree to which you can influence and affect your environment. Great posts. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 10:55am |
| Coolness: 49860 | Cool mico heres my thoughts on this. First of all, Solopism could be used as an excuse to be a self-centered asshole who walks around all day thinking he is holier then thou, or it could be used as somthing much more powerful.
The real definition of the word POWER is The power to help people achieve their goals. All other forms of power are just abuses of power. So yes it could make you into a egocentric weirdo but it is like if I give you a gun, you could use that gun to shoot a burgaler in your home or you could use that gun to kill a classroom full of seven year old children it is what YOU do with it. You can still be a cool friendly guy. You can still help people out. Wether they are projections of your mind or not you still have the power to do what you wish. The way I look at life is sort of like this when I am in social situations or any situation in general. Look at the game of chess, HOW many possible moves in chess are there? Millions. I think that life is like being on a chess board, wherever you are wether you are in your friends house, at the tams chillin, at a party, with your mom, whatever. in which you are a piece on this chest board. and the people, that are dancing around crazy, the people that are sitting down, people that are on mad drugs are just a possible MOVE on the chest board. It sounds manipulative but all social interaction is manipulative if you FOCUS on a sub communicative level, When you listen to a WHOLE person. Not just a piece of bodylanguage or a sentence because everyone has motives underneath everything that someone says is devoid of purity or innocence unless you are still a child free, honest and careless in the world, and not yet corrupted by the game. so if Life really is a game, if we are just living in a matrix in which we are all competing to be at the top of the pyramid then why not try to be THE BEST PIECE ON THE BOARD, The most POWERFUL piece? There is only ONE GAME and that is the VALUE game peoples value this is my boy Tylers theory, he is really a pick up artist but if you can get past that he is talking about pick up and look in terms of just THE ONE GAME THEORY then you might be interested... check it. -------------------------------- Cool mico heres my thoughts on this. First of all, Solopism could be used as an excuse to be a self-centered asshole who walks around all day thinking he is holier then thou, or it could be used as somthing much more powerful. The real definition of the word POWER is The power to help people achieve their goals. All other forms of power are just abuses of power. So yes it could make you into a egocentric weirdo but it is like if I give you a gun, you could use that gun to shoot a burgaler in your home or you could use that gun to kill a classroom full of seven year old children it is what YOU do with it. You can still be a cool friendly guy. You can still help people out. Wether they are projections of your mind or not you still have the power to do what you wish. The way I look at life is sort of like this when I am in social situations or any situation in general. Look at the game of chess, HOW many possible moves in chess are there? Millions. I think that life is like being on a chess board, wherever you are wether you are in your friends house, at the tams chillin, at a party, with your mom, whatever. in which you are a piece on this chest board. and the people, that are dancing around crazy, the people that are sitting down, people that are on mad drugs are just a possible MOVE on the chest board. It sounds manipulative but all social interaction is manipulative if you FOCUS on a sub communicative level, When you listen to a WHOLE person. Not just a piece of bodylanguage or a sentence because everyone has motives underneath everything that someone says is devoid of purity or innocence unless you are still a child free, honest and careless in the world, and not yet corrupted by the game. so if Life really is a game, if we are just living in a matrix in which we are all competing to be at the top of the pyramid then why not try to be THE BEST PIECE ON THE BOARD, The most POWERFUL piece? There is only ONE GAME and that is the VALUE game peoples value this is my boy Tylers theory, he is really a pick up artist but if you can get past that he is talking about pick up and look in terms of just THE ONE GAME THEORY then you might be interested... check it. -------------------------------- Cool mico heres my thoughts on this. First of all, Solopism could be used as an excuse to be a self-centered asshole who walks around all day thinking he is holier then thou, or it could be used as somthing much more powerful. The real definition of the word POWER is The power to help people achieve their goals. All other forms of power are just abuses of power. So yes it could make you into a egocentric weirdo but it is like if I give you a gun, you could use that gun to shoot a burgaler in your home or you could use that gun to kill a classroom full of seven year old children it is what YOU do with it. You can still be a cool friendly guy. You can still help people out. Wether they are projections of your mind or not you still have the power to do what you wish. The way I look at life is sort of like this when I am in social situations or any situation in general. Look at the game of chess, HOW many possible moves in chess are there? Millions. I think that life is like being on a chess board, wherever you are wether you are in your friends house, at the tams chillin, at a party, with your mom, whatever. in which you are a piece on this chest board. and the people, that are dancing around crazy, the people that are sitting down, people that are on mad drugs are just a possible MOVE on the chest board. It sounds manipulative but all social interaction is manipulative if you FOCUS on a sub communicative level, When you listen to a WHOLE person. Not just a piece of bodylanguage or a sentence because everyone has motives underneath everything that someone says is devoid of purity or innocence unless you are still a child free, honest and careless in the world, and not yet corrupted by the game. so if Life really is a game, if we are just living in a matrix in which we are all competing to be at the top of the pyramid then why not try to be THE BEST PIECE ON THE BOARD, The most POWERFUL piece? There is only ONE GAME and that is the VALUE game peoples value this is my boy Tylers theory, he is really a pick up artist but if you can get past that he is talking about pick up and look in terms of just THE ONE GAME THEORY then you might be interested... check it. -------------------------------- TOP | Post | Reply | Reply/Quote | Email Reply | Delete | Edit Previous | Next | Previous Topic | Next Topic | Entire Topic Topic: ONE GAME. Tired ramblings,the true essence of game (2 of 26), Read 900 times Conf: >> Advanced From: Proto protogoth@subgenius.com Date: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 07:47 AM Excellent post TD. Nice length too, i.e. readable. {DISCLAIMER: I'm really tired writing this, but in the mood to post. Much of this is sweeping generalizations, and not properly thought out. Thanks to Paps for helping me to think this out.} Is Paps responsible for it not being properly thought out? ;-) {My feeling is that much of this will be dead on, and some of it off. If anyone cares to comment, qualify, or refine the ideas, that would be welcome as always.} {ONE GAME THEORY:} There are two One Game Theories, imo, namely a) The Holy Grail: a method that will lay any girl anywhere anytime with anyone, and b) highest level of abstraction of the game. I take this post to be of the second kind. As such my gut feeling is that it misses a few other significant concepts besides "higher value", yet it is an excellent higher abstraction description. {1- there is only one game: higher value} Very important. Reading through the post and running into the different methods I realised that for me it is too simple. Values function within valueing system. People have multiple values that compete in a hierarchy for attention and for becoming the chosen value for a decision. A HB at some point has to decide whether she falls for a PUA or not. This is done by weighing one or more values and if the balance tips in favour of the PUA, he is in. Some of these values are conscious, some of them unconscious. Before getting into that discussion, let me state how I use the distinction. Conscious is all brain processes that conscious thought consists off, unconscious is all other brain processes like keeping your heart beating, processing sense data or speaking. So some values a HB is consciously evaluating, others unconsciously. For instance a HB is consciously looking at a PUA's appearance while unconsciously the PUA's story is triggering other values. Imo a lot of the differences between the methods are whether they work on the conscious values (C&F, MM) or on the unconscious values (Juggler, GWM). Finally there is an alterior way of puing the HB, namely by changing her evaluation process (consciously or unconsciously). My guess would be this is where SS and NLP come in handy. {2- all tactics are simply different ways of accomplishing the same end goal of conveying higher value} Well the goal is getting laid. In order to get laid the HB has to decide at least to let the PUA continue his endavours. She will do so if the minimal level of her values are met for getting laid or her evaluation process has been changed to accept the lesser values. Also in order to get laid she has to refrain from putting up unsurmountable resistances. This can be done either because she already has decided to fuck and is going for it, or that each time a decision making point for resistance is coming up, the PUA is able to offer enough value to continue. {3- different tactics are perhaps better employed in different situations, but whatever tactic gets you from Point-A to Point-B is fine. There is only one game, but different ways to accomplish it} This is the difference between The Holy Grail and the level of abstraction. So far no Holy Grail has been found, so we use different methods. If we abstract from the methods we find certain themes and concepts in all methods that enlighten us about the stuff we do. {4- girls who sense that you have higher value will not LJBF you in the same way as an AFC. A PUA can afford to be in the friendship zone, can buy girls flowers, compliment - whatever. The reason these things burn an AFC is that they remind the girl of his lower value. Would a girl dump Brad Pitt for buying her flowers? No. Any time that you convey higher value, you can have sex with the girl, so long as you have her alone, and make physical advancements (as opposed to saying "would you like to sleep with me?" which is a verbal advancement).} Right. Again here is the competition between different values. If looks>>behaviour enough she accepts AFC behaviour. {Girls submit to guys who have higher value. Often, when you pull a chick from the club, she doesn't even know you will have sex. She is just a moth drawn to the flame. She is not thinking sex, she's just thinking "this guy says let's go now", and submits to him because he has higher value. She then submits when he starts kissing her, disrobing her, etc..} This is how some girls react to higher values, others react differently. That's the reason it's important not only to be able to trigger higher values in a HB, yet also be able to change her evaluation process in case she isn't the kind of girl that gets laid. {5- Higher value can be accomplished many ways. I now believe that the reason I am attracted to physically hot women is because women are socially judged by beauty, and rarely by accomplishments. Like women, I am attracted to high value. A fat girl can pleasure me very well, but I will not sex a fat girl. Fat girls SHOULD be a source of attraction, because they are a source of pleasure. Still, I won't sex them. Period. Why is this? My belief is that its because they have lower value tha |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 11:11am |
| Coolness: 49860 | I've seen What the Bleep, very cool movie I liked what they talked about with the water crystals.
They the same water and they had one person HATE a bottle of water and one say I love you and treat it good and so on. and they checked the normal molecular structure of water and then they looked at the others and it changed according to the emotion. "So if are thoughts can do that to water, what can are thoughtds do to people?" very intereseting and no wonder people are fucked up because they sit around and judge eachother all day long. On the metro, on the street, on the bus, at the park, in the bar no one stops judging thats why people are so afraid of eachother... whatever. here are the links to the 2 articles I posted in my first post brain game: [ www.simpletoremember.com ] swim spot technique [ www.nfnlp.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» kwickStah replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 12:52pm |
 Coolness: 65620 | this game sound interesting but i already have a hard time just to be concentrated in a philo class loll. it isnt work with poeple with atention deficit desorder write? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 1:53pm |
| Coolness: 49860 | yeah it is interesting social dynamics is very interesting, once you get to the DEEPER ABSTRACT stuff you being to see communication in a very, very different way. You begin to see the status heirarchies. And once you see the status heirarchies you can effectively learn how to rise them.
People with High value are people you think are fucking cool, thats the reason when girls go to a concert of their favourite band and when the rockstars come on stage the girl starts screaming and crying and jumping up and down, Becaues the rockstars value blows right off the roof and frys their circuits. It's actually funny to see its like watching a computer crash. You begin to see communication sort of like an art and a science, and the doors of possibilities sweep wide open. You guys should meet some of my friends :P Oh wait some of you probally already have!!! heheheheheh... if your reading this you know who you are LOL :P sup bro. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Sun Sep 18, 2005 @ 1:57pm |
| Coolness: 49860 | YOU BECOME LIKE THIS GUY, YOU BECOME THE ONE!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Tue Sep 20, 2005 @ 2:24am |
| Coolness: 150535 | HA!
Whoever wrote that third post of yours is -fucking- brilliant!! (I mean, fucking genius, man!!!) "What the *bleep* do you know" was a cool movie. A lot of insight into 'sex' (or purpose)... if you know what I mean. I really wouldn't mind meeting your friends, Sanik. ;) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Tue Sep 20, 2005 @ 2:35am |
| Coolness: 150535 | By the way...
... do you mind elaborating on all the acronymys |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Tue Sep 20, 2005 @ 12:37pm |
| Coolness: 49860 | More TylerDurden posts for Mico
-------- Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Subject: Social Intelligence - vibing Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:22:00 -0400 To me, this is a very important post. Social Intelligence. Having struggled so hard to learn it, I have so much to say on this topic. In this post I'd like to specifically discuss social vibing and insecurity (a very focused, but important peice of the puzzle). There are many subcommunications that are being telegraphed at all times in any interaction. Both verbal and non-verbal. Social interactions have features and customs that I suppose are designed to make them pleasant. As social animals, we have the attribute of actually enjoying socializing just for the sake of socializing. We socially VIBE. People who break the vibe are considered socially unintelligent, and despite being perhaps very good/worthwhile people, they will come across poorly. Most people, once you get to know them, are really worthwhile. I've rarely met someone, who when put in a position where I was by circumstance made to get to know them, that I didn't come to like. So what's the difference between someone who is COOL and someone who is UNCOOL? The way that they COME ACROSS. Their level of social intelligence. Their ability to CONVEY it. TELEGRAPH it. SUBCOMMUNICATE it. Understanding how to socially vibe telegraphs that you are secure with yourself. Failing to understand telegraphs insecurity. Much of this post assumes that early game is now past, and you are in comfort building (if you use my PU model, if you are using Juggler's, for example, then this would apply from the very start because he is full rapport). ===== LAUGHING AS VIBING: Laughter is not only a stress relief mechanism. It's actualy a social mechanism. Laughter basically shows that your social group is vibing well. Monkeys, while they can't talk like we can, still laugh when they are in rapport with each other. Think to when you were telling a joke, and the group vibe was just so TIGHT. The people were starting to laugh before you'd even delivered the punch line. Maybe you said "I haven't even told the joke yet, and you guys are laughing". And they can't figure out why, and they laugh even more as you say this. Also, think of how when you use cocky tactics, girls laugh/giggle. This is a sign that they are wanting to vibe with you. The movie "Goodfellas", in the scene where Joe Pesci is telling jokes at the restaurant table, and everyone is laughing harder and harder. Ray Liotta can't stop laughing. It's not just the humour. It's the VIBE. People who are not socially intelligent will LAUGH AT THEIR OWN JOKES. They laugh prior to the group starting to laugh. Notice next time that someone laughs at their own joke first. Were you JUST ABOUT to laugh, but then didn't when they did first? They were attempting to FILL IN THE RAPPORT GAP. When the boss of an office tells a joke, everyone laughs. When the beta male tells it, he worries that nobody will, and laughs at his own joke to fill in the so-called rapport gap. Concentrate on VIBING, and don't try to artificially push rapport. Better, is to WAIT until the group laughs, and THEN laugh with them. This gap is also seen when people say "right" after all of their sentences. They are trying to FILL IN the "right" that the other person SHOULD have said themself, IF THEY HAD been socially vibing properly. ===== RHETORICAL SEQUENCING: People, when talking, use weird (when you think about it) rhetorical sequencing. Here is an example: A guy is excited that he got a cheap deal on a coat. GOOD VIBING: GUY: You'll never guess how much I got this coat for. FRIEND: Wow.. Umm, 200$. GUY: No man. 45$ FRIEND: Wow.. Nice man. BAD VIBING: GUY: You'll never guess how much I got this coat for. FRIEND: Oh you got a deal. I guess 30$ then. GUY: Umm, actually 45$ FRIEND: Oh.. well that's not bad. Notice that the friend TELEGRAPHED SUBCOMMUNICATIONS of INSECURITY. His thought process was: "I'll show GUY that I'm smart. I'm clever enough to pickup on the fact that if he said "You'll never guess what I paid", that he got a deal. Then I'll have shown him that I passed his test." His INSECURITY caused him to miss out on the social vibing, which was intended to build excitement and wasn't a test at all. The secure guy, although realizing that the coat was really cheap, would still guess something lower end, but still high enough that if the guy's deal wasn't as great as he thought, he'll still feel good. After all, its bought, so why worry about that stuff (UNLESS you seriously could hookup a massively cheaper deal and return the coat (which the socially intelligent guy would ascertain before even suggesting it), in which case the happiness derived from that would outweigh actually telling the guy that he didn't get the best deal). ANOTHER EXAMPLE: GOOD VIBING: HB: I just got this crazy shirt. Look at it. PUA: Wow.. Cute! BAD VIBING: HB: I jsut got tihs crazy shirt. Look at it. PUA: Cool.. Hey you know in L.A. that shirt would be nothing. I should bring you there sometime. ANOTHER EXAMPLE: GOOD VIBING: (Friend1 drives to Toronto for the first time with Friend2) FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks.. FRIEND2: Whoa.. That's pretty big dude. BAD VIBING: FRIEND1: Wow man, look at that building.. That rocks.. FRIEND2: Dude, that's cool.. But man, you should see NYC. Man, NYC KILLS this place. (JLAIX: If you're reading this, who does this remind you of? HINT: His first name is *LERON*). Again, with these examples, the person who is not vibing right does not get something: The purpose of the initial comment was NOT to ACTUALLY debate it. It was to SOCIALLY VIBE. The content was not the REAL communication. It was a surface for SUBCOMMUNICATION, which INTENDED to say "Let's have a nice time, and have rapport with eachother and relax." The insecure and socially unintelligent person is taking the sentences of the first person, and FIELDING them as OPPORTUNITIES TO QUALIFY HIMSELF. ====== HEIRARCHIES - ROLE IN SOCIAL INTERACTION: We all get our moment in the sun at some point. You'll notice, that when you are holding court, that sometimes people will be insecure with that. The secure guy will recognize when its someone's turn to hold court, and not fight it. A person who is secure will talk to ADD EMPHASIS to a point. He will not DISPUTE a point while someone is holding court. He knows that he'll have his chance LATER, and that right now someone is trying to get a point across. Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view is at an opportunity to demonstrate their value. They CANNOT RESIST the temptation. For an example that everyone reading this can recoginze, look to this chatboard. Something tight will get posted. Insecure posters will nightpick semantics. Like "While this is important, its maybe an 8 out of 10 level importance. Not a 10 like you said." The secure poster, if he finds the level of emphasis on a level where its honestly misinformative, might post "I think that x,y,z are really good, man. I think that you might consider less emphasis on it though, because a,b,c are important as well. Good post though man, I like x,y,z" ANOTHER feature you'll see on this board, and that is in the same vein, are THROWING LITTLE NEGS or TRYING TO COME OFF AUTHORITATIVE WHEN ITS NOT YOUR PLACE. For example, you'll see guys trying to get rapport with someone they don't know by throwing little negs. GOOD VIBING: *OLD* FRIEND 1: Hey Stevo, you fucking bastard.. C'mere gimme a hug BAD VIBING: *NEW* ACQUAINTANCE: C'mere you fucker, help me out. The second is BAD vibing, because he is trying to FORCE rapport with subcommunication that is only appropriate of old friends. Similarly, you'll see guys who try to come off authoritative. You'll see it on the board, where a guy will post something quality, and someone who doesn't like him will post "That's very quality material. Good that you posted something of quality". It's like he's trying to come off authoritative. Like he realizes that he's negged on the guy on the chatboard, and he feels insecure that the guy he negged produced something worthwhile. So he has to come in and be all authoritative, like "I can show everyone that I recognize a good post". Guys in real life will see someone who they publically disliked starting to improve himself, and say things like "Good that you're improving. KEEP IT UP." By this, they are trying to CONTROL what is happening. They are trying to say "Improve, because *I*, the AUTHORITY, approved." More on this... If you've ever ever ran a very good presentation at work or school, and you see an insecure person come up to you and criticize. They don't realize its YOUR TURN TO HOLD COURT. Their turn is LATER. So they throw little negs at you. Like they always have to offer advice on how you could have improved it. They can't just say "Good job man". Or they have to nit-pick subtleties. Like they can't say "That was awesome". They have to first go over their advise on where you fucked up. For a real life example that most guys on this board can recognize, when you meet up with another guy from the scene through PAIR, if he's insecure he'll do the following: 1- Talk about game non-stop, rather than PLAY. 2- Watch you do a set, and CRITICIZE on what could be improved, rather than encourage. 3- You tell him about something that happened, and he gives you ADVICE, rather than just listening. ===== SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH "VIBING" AS THE PRESUPPOSITION, NOT "DISCUSSING AN ISSUE" When socializing, a good vibe will be set when the reason for being there is to enjoy eachother's company. However, sometimes a bad vibe can be set when the presupposition is that you're there for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Of course, there is nothing wrong with purpose. It has a place, and more of my daily interactions have a purpose than those that are to socially vibe. However, recognizing that tagging a set purpose to an interaction will often stop a nice vibe from occuring, will help with a pickup. Insecure people will often LATCH onto a purpose for the conversation, as a way of maintaining it. Then they'll leave on a "high note" once that purpose is exhausted. This is a MAJOR cause of flaking. You maintained a conversation with a girl, but the presupposition was that you were discussing an issue. You left on the high note, but didn't realize that you were actually REINFORCING to the girl that you are not socially compatible. When going to meet up with you again, she'll think "Well, we really have nothing more to talk about though. I don't want to have nothing to talk about, because that would feel unfortable" As guys, we don't care. We might feel nervous that we'll have nothing to talk about, but we want sex. But girls, if the feel uncomfortable, they won't show up. That's one reason why guys who smoke pot get laid alot. Girls rarely flake on them, because they have that social presupposition that will give comfort. For the rest of us who don't smoke, we use SOCIAL VIBING rather than FORCED social interaction, to maintain comfort. Clinging too strenously to a particular topic can come across insecure. When you say to a friend "Let's go have a beer", the subtext is "Let's go socially vibe". You don't go discuss an issue, and say "Let's reconvene later". You go and you chill. You have a FRIENDSHIP. Non-party-chicks rarely flake on guys they have both attraction AND friendship with. But they do flake on guys who attract them, tongue them down, and say "Give me your #." ===== PRACTICAL FEMALE INTERACTION: In summary, how does this apply in practical terms? Most of it comes in, during comfort building phase. Or if you use a different PU model than I do, then its when you're getting to know the girl either way. 1) Don't crack jokes to the girl, and laugh at them before she does. Wait. You'll notice that it sometimes takes even 10-15 seconds for a joke to process. But it DOES. I usually bust on her for it "Oh, slow processing time.. That's OK, you're my little sister.. I didn't adopt you for your brains" Also, don't say "right" after everything. It can come across beta. Right? 2) When a girl is trying to impress you, RECOGNIZE it as her QUALIFYING herself. If you reject it, you'll come across insecure, or socially unaware. This is DIFFERENT than the C&F stuff early, where you break rapport on purpose. In fact, much like how the "25 Points to not trying too hard" assumed that you were in EARLY GAME, this post to some extent at least assumes you are PAST early game. SHARE her excitement by recognizing rhetorical social sequencing. 3) Recognize when its your turn to talk, and when somebody else is being focused on. MUCH MUCH of the mid/later game is the chick qualifying herself to you. Because our pickup model encorporates alot of not trying, you'll notice your best pickups (with NON-party-chicks at least) are with the ones who at some point EARN your attention. They perceive that they've WON your interest, and plan to COLLECT THE PRIZE (your dick in their mouth). 4) If a girl tells you about a problem, just LISTEN and change her emotion. Say "Ouch, that's sounds tough.. But hey, you're a powerpuff girl, and you know you're to fiesty to let this stop you.. Let's check out x,y,z" Definetely don't offer advice. If she wants advice, she'll say "WHAT SHOULD I DO?" Unless someone asks me what to do, I rarely offer advice. OR, I say "You know i have experience with this, so maybe later you can ask me about it." 5) Focus on SOCIALLY VIBING and don't CLING TO TOPICS. This will prevent flaking, and make her feel comfortable around you. Don't leave on a high note. THERE IS NO HIGHNOTE. There is only vibing and flipping the switches that she needs to have switched in order to fuck you. ===== OK retards, that's it. Cool post, RIGHT? HAHAHAHHAHAA.. -TD =================================================== Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Subject: Social Intelligence - vibing Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:32:00 -0400 On 9/10/03 11:17:39 AM, finalD wrote: >> SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH >"VIBING" AS THE >PRESUPPOSITION, NOT >> "DISCUSSING AN ISSUE" >> >> > >Key to all geekiness ... :) haa, I like that analysis - I agree completely. It's true, geeks need a presupposition to hang out. Interesting. I think I'm a natural geek, for sure. Thanks for all the great feedback. I thought the guys' answers to the questions that were given were really bang on, and covered my bases. I suppose this sort of approach is the "external" way of coming at the problem. The other way of course would be the "internal" way, which would mean improving your inner game so that you're not needy and you're not insecure. I think that inner approach is great and has alot of value. At the same time, the externally focused approach is what solved my internal issues, because once I figured out the points of how internally-balanced people acted, I got laid and then started to feel better internally. Like one thing I like to do with newbs is tell the girls from the set I'm in that they have to tongue him down and grab his dick, or I'll leave and blow them off. Or I'll tell a girl from a 2set that if her friend isn't warm to my friend, I'll leave because he's bored. The girls do this, and then the newb walks around strutting like he's the man for the rest of the night. Then he PU's another separate chick on his own, gets MOMENTUM, and it snowballs. These are extreme cases of the externally focused approach, but just focusing on the mannerisms of successful guys can do the same. At the same time, for alot of guys they really need internal work. Like no success will fix them internally. So I think that both approaches are great. I know Twentysix is now running great game, and he did both externally focused stuff (going out 4 nights a week), as well as seeing a psychologist. -TD Tyler Durden |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Tue Sep 20, 2005 @ 12:39pm |
| Coolness: 49860 | VALUE
by Tyler Durden We don't only want entrance, but we want it free and we want to be bumped to the front of the line. Additional material on qualification: [ www.fastseduction.com ] There exists many social SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that convey social value. -breaking rapport -neutral to rapport -trying to gain rapport This goes on in social interactions all day long. Notice that the "coolest" people in the club venue are trying to break rapport with everyone. (They even wear sunglasses in a dark club, to convey that they are too cool and don't want to make eye contact with anyone). They roll in with their Cadillac SUV, hot chicks in tow, and don't talk to anyone in the whole club except maybe the people similar to them. YET, if they were to approach YOU or YOUR GROUP in the club, you'd chat THEM, despite that they'd blow you off. You'd chat them because they have high social value in that specific venue. People are DRAWN to interact with people of value, even if they're not attracted. If Bill Gates wanted to chat, would I? Yes. Even if it was about nothing that helped me whatsoever, I'd just do it for some reason. What Style is talking about here (which is a related to stuff I've discussed extensively on the Mystery Lounge), is that value re-adjustments may be necessary PRIOR to gaming. Gaming = emotionally arousing (pumping her through states in a way that keeps her happy, aka C&F, and many other ways) A girl can still CUT OFF who she allows to emotionally arouse her. VALUE / ATTRACTION are DISTINCT. Value is a FILTER to see if the girl will ALLOW you to attract her. Think to the REVERSE. Girls are aroused EMOTIONALLY (they purchase romance novels that are descriptive). Guys are aroused mostly VISUALLY and PHYSICALLY (they purchase porno and lapances). A fat girl approaches me, and starts touching me. She is arousing me because she is touching my legs with her hands. She is breathing on me. I'm feeling myself getting hard. Immediately I push her away from me, and CUT OFF what she is doing. Do I do this because I am INCAPABLE of deriving some pleasure from fucking her? No. Men fucked fat chicks for years, back when they were socially desirable (IOW: HAD VALUE). There's no biological reason for me not fucking her. It's just social. Similarly, girls emotionally cut off men from gaming them. They won't even acknowledge that you exist, or if they do, what you're saying is just cute or entertaining. Again, they are of high social value, and thus exhibit this by breaking rapport with people (both through verbal communications "why are you asking me this.. go away", and non-verbal subcommunications like turning away from you, not matching your facial expressions or excitement levels, not being responsive to your presence, etc) Value is established by: -OUTER APPEARANCE (genetics, grooming, and clothing subcommunications) -SOCIAL PROOF (both your entourage, the level to which the surrounding women are appearing to be unlocked to you (which is made obvious by things they subcommunicate as you are in the area, and girls pickup on this), and the level to which people treat you (ie: are they breaking rapport with you, being neutral to it, or trying to gain it) -ATTITUDE (bodylanguages and tonalities that you convey, by the words that you say and the way that you say it, and by the people who you interact with in a particular order and the way you interact with them) So with girls, you can open with a NEUTRAL OPINION OPENER, and this is NOT ENOUGH. Hence Style's "Neg First" post. This was derived from "JAP Busting I & II" You must break rapport, perhaps several times, prior to gaming. Girls will not ALLOW themselves to become emotionally heated (aka; for their buying temperature to increase) for someone who does not pass through their filter of VALUE. So what does that amount to in practical terms? Here's an example: TD: Hey guys, I need a female opinion.. Do girls think that the rockstar David Bowie is hot? HBS: I dunno.. TD: Hey, you're cool.. You guys are smart.. You're from Long Island, I can tell.. HBS: Hey, we're not from there.. TD: Yeah OK.. ummm BYE (turns back) HBS: WTF? TD: hahaa.. OK remain calm.. My friends little sister gets this poster of David Bowie on her wall. That is an OLD MAN.. Do you guys like OLD MEN?!?! HBS: Why are you asking us this? TD: (looks at wingman like they are RETARDED and mumbles).... I'm talking. (turns back HARD, engages other set) HBS: What a jerk blah blah.. TD: (turns around) hahhhaa, are you guys still talking about me?? haahhaa. (turns back) HBS: No, we're just saying blah blah TD: (now commencing NORMAL game) You guys are so cute.. You know, I'm going to adopt you guys, you guys will be my new little sisters.. This is a VALUE ADUSTMENT. Neg first. (I'd also game a high value set differently, but that's another story.. I'd use the same stuff, but at a different rate, direct it at different people, and also alot less of it) You do the SAME with UG THEORY. Try to gain rapport with them first. Value calibrations imply rapidly ascertaining what their perceived social value is, and matching it. Girls are typically only inclined to allow themselves to be gamed with someone of simliar value. There are exceptions however. TRUST ATTRACTION VALUE These three things are SUBCOMMUNICATED at all times. Some girls want guys with high value ONLY (NYC JAPs are like this, ChickJunkie's 10$ Opener is good for girls like this, although an NYC JAP would probably pull out her attack whistle if you tried it on them) Some girls value TRUST, which is subcommunicated through many things. Like when you see guys who are out with their girlfriends, and NEVER turn to face them. The girls always have to do the initiating. Some guys telegraph this, and it telegraphs trust. This is why simlar to girls who just want high value guys (like NYC Jewish American Princesses), some girls want to fuck gay guys and convert them. Queers subcommunicate feelings of trust so strong that some girls fall in love with them instantly. Weird - ask 10 girls and 2 or 3 will answer you this. Some girls value ATTRACTION. These girls want the construction worker or badboy or the prejudicial racist stereotype of black guys. There are also piles of PROFILES for this that you can spot, and piles of subcommunications that you can learn (think "AMOG TACTICS" post - what do the out-alpha tactics subcommunicate, beyond their surface verbal level?) AN EXAMPLE OF VALUE: Sickboy007 and I want entrance into an exclusive club. We don't only want entrance, but we want it free and we want to be bumped to the front of the line. We do this all the time - I sit back and pretend to be a celeb. I say nothing, acknowledge nobody, and act aloof. Sickboy007 is my manager. Sickboy007: Hey, we're heading up to VIP. BOUNCER: Are you on the guest list? Sickboy007: You guys treat us really good here. Actually, we're going to need to bring in our friends tommorow, and we need it Saturday as well. BOUNCER: Are you guys celebrities? Who are you guys? Sickboy007: (pauses) BOUNCER: Hello? Sickboy007: Yeah, umm we'll definetely need that Saturday. I like you guys, you guys treat us good. BOUNCER: OK bring in you and your friend. Talk to the manager about Saturday and Sunday, I don't do that stuff. TD & Sickboy007 skip the line, free cover, admitted to VIP. Look at the subcommunications. He didn't answer the bouncer's quesitons directly. He barely looked the guy in the eyes. He didn't shift his body towards him. He didn't show any nervousness or regard for the bouncer's physical presence. He didn't even answer the quesitons with anything COHERENT. The bouncer is TRAINED to pick up on this behaviour, and admit high value guests. I'm not sure if this makes sense, but this is the behaviour we use in the pickup of high value girls. Tyler Durden |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DAVETOTHEGRAVE replied on Tue Sep 20, 2005 @ 12:45pm |
| Coolness: 49860 | SOCIAL CONDITIONING
by Gunwitch In this excerpt from his Dynamic Sex Life e-book, Gun describes common social conditionings that impair pick-up. This is a very important post for Inner Game. I just got you realizing how these things you might be conditioned with are negatively impacting your sex life. Right here I'm going to go in to a short quick list of common possible similar ones that might be impairing you. Going to straighten out your "internals" here. You see Many many "dating for morons" type of books list off 500 pages of "do this" "don't do that's", many of them in conflict of course because the authors compiled the entire material from some magazine articles written by the very same "conditioners" you don't want to be listening to in the first place. What REALLY works is having your internal conditioning set right. Every action you take, every mental state you enter and show, every way you interact and every dynamic you introduce between you and a woman is going to be determined by your inner beliefs and being. Faking it just wont fly. The mask you put on will crumble at some point startling the woman you are interacting with in to the opposite state of mind about you that's desired. I have to get YOU actually thinking the right way about women, first and foremost. Why learn a bunch of bizarre tricks and tactics, when you can instead learn to actually be YOU and get the girl? Rhetorical question. Link up any conditionings you may have that might be giving you similar problems as you go over the list. SO now I'll list off and explain some of these conditioned things that may be hurting you. Conditioning 1: "Women don't like sex, they only want money, romance, status, to look good, etc etc etc.". This conditioning as mentioned above, is just a tragedy of a thought process. THE FIRST thing you must realize is that women LOVE SEX. Biologically we do differ, but compulsion and physical drive for sex is just as important to women as it is to us. They LOVE sex. The FIRST understanding and best realization is this one. It isn't only YOUR conditioning you are dealing with, but HERS as well. See women don't usually, though they do a lot more since 2000 or so, come right out with their desire for sex at a verbal level. They have the conditioning that "sex is for tramps and sluts" "sex should only be with a guy your know really well". The balance between her attraction to you (don't worry I teach you this) and her conditioning against sex is, "THE GAME" or the male to female dynamic. Probably top number one fear in dealing with men for a woman is being thought of as "easy" or "a slut". Women enjoy sex more than men in truth. The studies and statistics say otherwise because women are outright conditioned to lie and say this, even when anonymously asked. It seems even in a "herd mentality" or evolutionary manner women have been trained to lie like this for the greater good of them all. What I mean is it seems they almost do this automatic, they don't think to themselves "I want to deceive this person" they really seem to THINK they don't like sex, YET FEEL that sex is their entire drive in life. When we as men are made to feel inadequate we try to qualify ourselves and make up for it as "PAYMENT" for her "gift of sex to us". We then say nice things to her and give her gifts and support her with our hard work. This is no conspiracy theory, it is just fact if you look beyond the television and what women SAY, but start to watch women's actions. 99.99% of good-looking women ALWAYS have REGULAR sex, yet still say they don't like it and that guys aren't important to them. Stop and think for a moment why they would be doing this if what they say is true. Women have rarely invented anything, lead a revolution, have many hobbies or talk much about anything that isn't pop culture based. Women focus on makeup, hair, exercise and clothing to attract men better, relationships, dramatic television romance. Look at male inventors, leaders, rulers, and innovators vs. the number of females in such endeavors. Go to a martial arts class, look at sports, look at business, and look at politics. The numbers are staggering of men in higher proportion in ANY field that isn't sexually oriented or "more attraction" based. Aside from workplaces of neutral nature obviously, but in actual applied willpower to any area, chicks are all about sex. It is not MEN who "think with their genitals" as it's claimed, it's women. I can already hear women reading this proving me right by saying I am a misogynist or don't know what I am talking about because I insulted them. PROVING right there that they see themselves as "women", their identity is "a woman". Women with some passions in their life don't see themselves as a "woman" just as men never see themselves as a "man" they are a "fighter" a "comedian" a "teacher". A woman can be a "mother" or a "writer" or a hell even a "soldier". Women with an identity outside their gender aren't offended when someone talks about "women", just as men aren't offended by talk of "men" because we usually have an identity outside our gender. So KNOW that women are VERY scared of being thought of as a sexual fiend who not only wants us men same as we want them, but NEEDS our sex badly. To reveal this to men too often or too much is like breaking an unspoken untaught code amongst women. Think back to high school, a big workplace or college. There was probably a fairly attractive maybe even stunning woman or girl there. Intelligent, fun to talk to, maybe even a real decent genuine human being. She would have easily been "one of the in crowd". She fucked a couple guys though. Maybe just didn't know the guys well. Maybe one guy she fucked was the boyfriend of the "top dog chick". Whatever the reason, she is "out". Basically thought of as lower than she is, less than she is as a person. Branded "lower" because of allowing her love of sex to go against social rules and conditionings. Surely women fear this. Outright fear from what I've encountered, not just a passing "that would suck", but REAL fear of it. That's just what can happen to her for acting on it without not only HER discretion, but the discretion of any who may be watching. Many women even repress their sexuality for fear of men not wanting them and branding them the same "slut" or "whore" that other women will. Just as many men repress their sexuality for fear of looking needy or desperate, or otherwise offending the "anti sexual conditioners". YIKES! Right? Don't worry I will show you how to get around that. But realize here, physically healthy normal women do like sex at a biological level just as much and sometimes more even than we do. They are just conditioned against it at spontaneous or promiscuous levels. Conditioned against making the first move sexually and are also conditioned to say they don't enjoy it. Conditioning 2: "Women only like jerks" "nice guys finish last" "girls only go for assholes" As talked about above also this is bullshit. This can be perceived by "nice guy culture" as an excuse for a poor love life and justified because they are such catchy sayings. This is perceived only. An extension of conditioning 1 is all it really is. Many guys who are conditioned that women don't like sex tend to then also not be sexual in nature to appease them. Ends up in a giant fuckin loop. "Well I wasn't pushy with her, I wasn't desperate or needy for sex" "she still didn't have sex with me or even pay attention to me" "women must not like sex". This one can take years to get out of, abandon this shit right here right now. This is ALL verbally based. Nothing you can be, or project or show sexually is "jerk", nothing you can be or show or project is "needy", "desperate" or "pushy". Barring : Ramming your pelvis in to hers upon first meeting (jerk) Slapping her ass as she walks by (sexist jerk) Hugging all over her on first sign of interest (needy) Salivating and rubbing all over her (desperate) Grabbing her arm and trying to make her get sexual with you (pushy). Laughing or smiling cause she is emotionally disturbed (insensitive dickhead) Obvious shit of course. Other than blatant things like the above you would have to SAY Jerkish or needy things to convey them: "quit talking about your sickly little brother I am sick of hearing it" as an example of jerk, or desperate things sexually "I know we just met but I haven't had a woman in so long, please sleep with me tonight" as an example of needy. In other words feel what you are. Feel your desire; don't quell it for worry you'll be thought of one way or another. Your actions and words are how you will be thought of (more on this later, lot more). Women can't read your mind and tell what you are thinking, and even if they could, quelled sexuality would not be a turn on. This leads us to our next example. Conditioning 3: "Chicks dig gay guys" Or women say, "all the good men are gay". Yeah they SAY they like them. Remember above? Well they also by "the code" have to say they like a man who doesn't care about sex. They even hang out with them. Hug them, give them kisses, dance with them, and leave the club with them. Probably sounds better than what you are getting right? But guess what! They don't FUCK EM cause they are GAY. Barring bisexuals who deal with the same sexual issues we do with women, women LIKE gay guys they don't FUCK them for obvious reasons. This leads us to the next one Conditioning 4: "We want what runs from us" "We want what we can't have" "Women like a guy who doesn't pay any attention to them" Mentally warped people with self-esteem issues may think like this. "I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me" type of thinking is all this is. The rest of the 99% of human beings like a good thing to come along. This conditioning turns in to a perception sometimes. EVEN worse. You just talk to a woman you sexually desire but don't show any desire, she in turn responds well. You maybe even try to act disinterested. "Alright she is liking me" you think. You then later on make an advance, and get "we should just be friends" or "I have to get up early". Also known as letting you down easy. She wasn't attracted to your non-sexual act. She was just being polite to someone who she was introduced to or talked to her. People do that sometimes, just sometimes, with interesting people or nice people. End game comes, closing time, time for the mamba wamba. Suddenly you have broken this precedent in attempting sex/kiss/intimacy. Drag it on with getting her phone number, meeting her, taking her out on a date later, drag it on long as you like, but if she doesn't see you as a sexual being, an attractive sexual partner, closing time comes, then it's all been just a big waste of time. You've done that. Seen that. Heard of actions like this and they worked? Well it could have worked quicker with the same couple because they were so physically hot for each other, it could have worked out a number of ways. Only in cases of extreme attraction does this work. We aren't in the business of getting lucky here folks; we are going to drive home the right way. Never hide your sexual desires to be "liked". Never pretend "oh I'm not interested in you" to get past her conditioning against sex. This will not only backfire it will waste your time. Conditioning 5: "Women say the first thing they want is a sense of humor" "Chicks dig my sense of humor" "Damn John gets laid a lot, must be cause he keeps the chicks laughing" A commonly observed scenario: a woman laughs at guy's jokes, and then ends up having sex with him later on. Predictably, every guy there who sees it says, "She must like a guy with a sense of humor", and proceed to go out and ENTERTAIN, rather than attract women, in hopes that she will like them SOOO much she will jump his bones right there. This is not going to happen unless she is VERY attracted to him in another way. We want to work with what looks we have and move them in the right directions for sex better than other guys, not create a non sexual rapport with jokes and funny stories. See there are a thousand ways to get rapport with women and then have sex with them if they are attracted to your looks, money or status already in the first place. IF ALL you have is that rapport that you have you built, it's only that she "likes you" or rapport it does not mean you have attracted her enough for sex to go down. When a woman is asked, "what do you like in a guy?" she doesn't usually say "LOOKS and GOOD SEX" or else be branded a slut, as above was mentioned she wouldn't say that. SO, she grumbles the stock answer "a guy with a sense of humor". Which is true at least, she does LIKE a sense of humor. She LIKES those funny men; she doesn't HAVE SEX WITH those funny men unless they happen to be attractive as well as funny. By the way, when a woman says "confidence" that's as close to saying " a guy who knows I want to have sex and creates the opportunity for it aggressively" as women usually get. More on confidence later. A sense of humor isn't a bad thing, but it's not sexually motivating or progressive. Stand up comedians are often natural entertainers because they have learned that their poor looks can be accepted that way. In the same way the guys with conditioning type four do. Check stand or bar stool comedians are the same entity with less talent. At the end of the night they go home and fuck the sleeve of their favorite jacket rather than a woman. Again some people say, "nice guy's finish last", because they see the funny entertainer go home alone. These conditionings are all linked in a real bad way. Conditioning 6: " A guys got to be unique for women to like him" Again it doesn't hurt to be unique, but there's that LIKE word again. Women do not say to themselves "WOW this 450lb fat guy with greasy hair and pimples just landed on a space ship and can levitate, I want to fuck him". A LOT of guys spend all their time trying to be so different they forget to just be a natural masculine sexual man. Ask any woman and if she answers honestly she has in fact had sex with guys she found not only boring but probably didn't even really "like". They had no redeeming value other than the fact they were attractive to her, made themselves available to her or happened to be available and didn't wait for her to make the moves or also known as they tried to fuck her. Conditioning 7: " I should be getting laid" "I'm a loser cause I can't get hot chicks" "People must think I'm lame cause I haven't been laid in so long" " I think she's hot but she doesn't make anyone envy me" BULLSHIT! Your sex drive is YOUR sex drive. YOUR satisfaction is what counts. If you don't have actual desire for sex, you shouldn't be trying to get laid for other people to look upon you better. DROP THE EGO. I'm not telling you to go fuck fat chicks here or bag ladies or something nasty. But if you would really like to be having sex with her, GREAT, DO IT. What the friends of 99.5% of the people reading this material right now, don't know could fill a library, plus some. Concerns like "man you've been doing 10 times as much heroin since you met her" are worth listening to. Concerns like "dude your girls nasty" should not be. It's entirely your prerogative. Anyhow people will deny your success to feel better about themselves and say your chick isn't hot and that their chicks are, so don't bother listening to it. Thinking you should be a ladies man, or that you should be getting at least one chick a month in bed, thinking you should have a girlfriend, thinking anything about your sex life and who it makes you as a person is worthless. YOUR desires are all you should care about. This may sound simple and a waste of time to say. But MANY guys I've met are fueled by this ego of a "what do people think of me" kind. What I mean is they heard I was some sort of Casanova and tried to meet me, asked me out to a bar etc. Most of these were guys who just wanted a girlfriend, maybe wanted to be able to get laid once in a while, but they came out guns blazing, "I want to lay a new chick every week" they would say, when only maybe 1 in 200 guys have that kind of a genuine sexual drive. Even then, once he does it for a couple months it gets old, the excitement wears off and more time needs to be taken in between. These giant figures are all just his ego talking, not his true desire. Really analyze yourself, what do you really want? That's all that matters. Conditioning 8: "A guys got to have a lot of money to spend on women" "Women need a lot of wooing to get them in bed" Again utter bullshit. I don't buy women fancy dinners. I don't buy women flowers. I don't buy women little drinks with umbrellas in them. I don't offer to buy women cars, I wouldn't even if I could afford to. I know they love sex and that's what they really want, I don't need to qualify their sex being shared with me with gifts or luxury. The guy from my example above for instance. LOVED to send girls drinks with his number in a napkin wrapped around it. You know how many called him ever? NONE. The same guy, when we finally did get him approaching women. would start out with how wonderful and beautiful she was. I don't use this guy in so many examples because he is the worst I ever met, but because he was so common to the rest of the men I've trained. Kissing ass or buying shit for women gets you "in" but not "IN" if you get my meaning. If you don't, I of course mean that people love that shit, you could buy a straight as an arrow man a drink in a bar, he would LIKE you, but wouldn't fuck you if you tried afterwards. You could tell same guy "you have a really great presence bro" he would again like that, you then tried to fuck him later in the night you would probably get a punch in the nose. It goes for women as well. If the attraction isn't there, and you do nothing to amplify any base small level of attraction, you have just wasted your money or compliments. The bad thing is, it can even be counter productive. Meaning she may see you as only doing the thing you did because you aren't adequate sexually, or as a man. Tell her she's a stunning marvel of a woman or offer to buy her dinner in the restaurant you are eating in as your first line? You'll probably get taken up on it; but she will wonder why you did something like this. Rather than presenting YOU to her, you have shown her that "indeed this drink with the umbrella in it is of higher value than me". Also just think if "Olga the terrible" asked you the same thing? You would say, "Hmmmm, am I going to sleep with her EVER, nope, better not take the free dinner"? BULLSHIT! Even if so, don't count on every woman you encounters ethics being strong enough for her to not say "I just got to take advantage of this guy wanting me". Conditioning 9: "All the women I want don't want me" "Really good looking women are stuck up" "The best lookers out there all have a man already' LOOKS OBSESSION is what this is called. Guys are almost ALWAYS like this and it fucks them up big time. Looks and attraction at a biological first sight level are in the eye of the beholder. 9 Times out of ten if you truly look at a woman and she is REALLY your exact type, "your 10", she will see YOU ALSO as FAR more attractive than say your "6" would see you back. If you don't believe me go test it out for yourself, approach 10 women total. 5 should be very average to plain looking 5 should be your EXACT type. The results will shock you. Barring men who could easily mistake their 10 for a transsexual with fake boobs a ton of makeup and long blonde wigs because society has deemed that "the 10", something is in the biology that makes people match up with someone who really turns them on. This makes us want to have more sex, which makes more babies and makes the race survive, pretty common sense I suppose. I suppose it makes sense if you don't go by societies "the 10", as your 10 out of ego, or think that the women you find most attractive must be the same ones ALL other men find most attractive so they will be in too much demand for you to get. Watch TV with any other guy that doesn't look much like you or come from the same gene pool and rate women 1-10. Some of your absolute 10s will be his 7s and vice versa. Tastes vary, and a great way to get the women you TOTALLY want is to of course go for the women you totally want, it's the only way really. Funny thing is they tend to reciprocate better than "easier average" women do, as there are no "average women" really, it's all in the sexua |
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