Mixing House/techno
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 12:48pm |
 Coolness: 71415 | it`s easy to beatmatch records and let the mix ride
track selection and progression is what counts what else - please comment |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Toltech a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 1:12pm |
 Coolness: 145400 | keep the mix going without a trainwreck coming along....you know? keeping it beatmatched for longer than only a few bars?....cutting, backspinning?....what else? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» musork a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 2:15pm |
 Coolness: 49500 | and what drugs are you taking?
sure its easy to beat match records espeically if they are all recordfed at 133.33333 how ever you cant hold a locked mix for very long its physically impossible unless the records are the same bpm and even then... turntables expeience drift its litterally impossible to avopid train wrecks if your planning on letting tracks play side by side for a long period of time... personally the key to a good dj is beat matching/mixing, track selection/programming and not thinking your a rock star... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 2:18pm |
| Coolness: 71415 | well yeah that'S what being able to push and pull the records is for - either through the pitch dial or with the hands - fix the drift - not always easy to do it seamlessly though |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Toltech a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 2:50pm |
| Coolness: 145400 | yeah for real....and that rock start thing is very important too.....god I hate snobs! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 3:31pm |
 Coolness: 339645 | Originally posted by MUSORK...
and what drugs are you taking? sure its easy to beat match records espeically if they are all recordfed at 133.33333 how ever you cant hold a locked mix for very long its physically impossible unless the records are the same bpm and even then... turntables expeience drift its litterally impossible to avopid train wrecks if your planning on letting tracks play side by side for a long period of time... personally the key to a good dj is beat matching/mixing, track selection/programming and not thinking your a rock star... uhhh, you can VERY easily avoid a trainwreck even if letting the track play for several minutes side by side.. you give em each a listen every 30 seconds or so.. trainwrecks are never accepteble unless the record skips. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» musork a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 4:40pm |
| Coolness: 49500 | what ever man you dj with cds and you dj fucking trance what do you know try djing 3 decks of techno percussive banging with some melody and see what happens... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 6:26pm |
| Coolness: 339645 | glad to see you've never listened to anything i've ever made before jumping into the "you use cds, thereby you suck" bandwagon.
you just show you're arogance by saying that. ever hear sarcastic play? i've got several live recordings he's made, i have yet to hear a trainwreck by him. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 10:31pm |
 Coolness: 75650 | Personally... I like to hear a dj fuck up once in a while (not too often, mind you)... to me it's a sign that they're pushing their limits.
That's one of the things that's great about a mix like Mills at the Liquid Room - it is by no means a clean mix... it's a mix where he's really givin' er! I'd like to show my arrogance here... and point out that there are two 'r's in the word arrogance. Take it outside, tranceboy. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Mon 16 Feb, 2004 @ 10:43pm |
| Coolness: 339645 | arrogance and spelling errors are unrelated. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 1:39am |
 Coolness: 93080 | yo fish head, I agree, I like to hear dj's flip and flop occasionally, it warms my heart to know that perfection is impossible, which is one of the many reasons I enjoyed playing records in the first place, because serendipity is part of it, and a part of life that I like...
Ufot-not remembering who which angle was why... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» musork a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 7:35am |
| Coolness: 49500 | first of all mixing with cd players is much much easier then with turntables... the pitch drift issue is not there as much you can easily lock tracks when djing with cd players...
secondly I have seen steve dj 100s of times and by no means is he a perfect dj its heard train wrecks all the time... and like colin said its the human aspect of djing to have a few mistakes... and thats what keeps it real how ever just again to point out to you it is impossible to lock tracks that are not the same bpm for an extended length of time...meaning some thing liek 2 or 3 mins with out touching the pitch adjust on the turntables ... which was a responce to the orginal post... now about my aRogance...get your head out of the sand dude I dont care if you dj with 2 rocks and a pair of sissors... there is nothing jarder to deal with then 3 decks and pitch drift when djing with turntables this is not an issue when djing with cd, mp3s, mini disks and any thing else other then vinyl... its part of the beauty of using turntables... its harder ots more of a challenge... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» dweezil a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 11:28am |
 Coolness: 37460 | I have heard a lot of djs say that vinyl is easier, I don't use vinyl and I would think that cds are easier, however your either a good dj or your not. Beatmatching 3 cds or 3 records are both difficult but a cd deck is technologically superior in so many ways that it can be easier for some and yet very difficult for others.
Wait.. This is not another vinyl vs. cd war is it? If it is I will say I definitely stand behind the latest and greatest dj technology and I don't mean the new technics model. I still buy vinyl though since its hard to find some stuff on cd. But to answer Country-Boy's question. When letting a mix ride like that it definitely works best when you choose compatible songs. But either way you will find yourself fine tuning the pitch while in the mix for that long. And also don't forget about the EQ, the songs might sound horrible together if they are not properly equalized. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 12:08pm |
| Coolness: 71415 | ah yes the eq - saturating frequencies is a nono
well placed eq sweeps are good too :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 7:13pm |
| Coolness: 339645 | Originally posted by MUSORK...
first of all mixing with cd players is much much easier then with turntables... the pitch drift issue is not there as much you can easily lock tracks when djing with cd players... secondly I have seen steve dj 100s of times and by no means is he a perfect dj its heard train wrecks all the time... and like colin said its the human aspect of djing to have a few mistakes... and thats what keeps it real how ever just again to point out to you it is impossible to lock tracks that are not the same bpm for an extended length of time...meaning some thing liek 2 or 3 mins with out touching the pitch adjust on the turntables ... which was a responce to the orginal post... now about my aRogance...get your head out of the sand dude I dont care if you dj with 2 rocks and a pair of sissors... there is nothing jarder to deal with then 3 decks and pitch drift when djing with turntables this is not an issue when djing with cd, mp3s, mini disks and any thing else other then vinyl... its part of the beauty of using turntables... its harder ots more of a challenge... and so, you said it. It's about image then. If CD players are easier to mix with, than why not use them? you will be able to make a flawless set with 3 decks (CD decks that is).. which would sound perfect. However if you're not there for the music, and more for the image, you know what i'm talking about.. It's Jarder! so that means he's reeaaally good, fuck how it sounds! he's trying real hard!! Thats like a first day dj.. look, he's working with decks for the first time ever, it sounds like shit, but it's hard, so it's good!! no. that's not how shit works. if it's hard, deal with it, you chose to mix with it you shouldn't use it as your excuse. and it's nearly impossible to hold a track locked for more than a minute vinyl or CD without any adjustment, no currently available CD or TT is that accurate, and you would physically have to beatmatch the track for more than a minute to be able to get it to that level. which is why it's all about making adjustments often, and paying very close attention to the track. just so you know i have done 3 deck mixing before, so don't gimme this "it's so hard" crap. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 8:52pm |
| Coolness: 75650 | good fucking christ you're a poncey piece of shit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 8:56pm |
| Coolness: 339645 | yeah, cause that actually means something.
*chalks one up for the pro-trainwrecker's* (hey, i know a good argument when i hear it) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 9:53pm |
| Coolness: 75650 | I wasn't making a pro-trainwreck argument... I was saying that I'd rather hear a DJ that isn't afraid to push forward - than one who may-or-may-not-be dropping the same set every night... or one that's learned how to beatmatch and hold it for 30 seconds. There is more to being a dj than thirty second crossovers.
I won't even get into the cd vs. vinyl debate because... imho... it's completely irrelevant - whether a dj uses cds or records is about as important to me as whether they're vegetarian or gay or have blond hair... your preference in tools - like your preference in food, sex and hair color is a personal choices.... and it's far more important to ask whether someone is doing something new or sucking at the same, tired, old cock that most DJs have been hitting harder than a newborn calf for years. Anyone can play clean when they're playing it safe - but where's the art in that? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Tue 17 Feb, 2004 @ 10:02pm |
| Coolness: 339645 | i don't mix for 'art' i mix for enjoyable listening.
that's it. if in the end you feel better from the mix, then my job is done. mixing long, or pushing your 'limits as a DJ' means nothing to me, i could just as easily do slam fades the whole mix, if it's apropriate, and sounds good.. would that be pushing my limits? not necessarily, but it might sound good.. shouldn't that be all that really matters? how it sounds? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Wed 18 Feb, 2004 @ 3:14am |
| Coolness: 75650 | how it sounds it pretty important... and what you just described sounds tired and old and stale.
Keep running with that generic major label dj dance mix formula... it's works wonders with the lowest common denominator. |
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