Computer Bandwith Question
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 2:52pm |
 Coolness: 83865 | Here's the deal...
There are 6 mac addresses being used on my network. 1 mac running OSX 10.6, 1 pc running windows 7, 1 pc running XP, a blackberry and an Iphone all using wifi and 1 xbox 360 that is hard wired ethernet. What i need to do is find a way of monitoring how much bandwith each device uses over X amount of time. What is the easiest way to do this?? |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 3:28pm |
 Coolness: 685580 | nothing quick and easy.. a router will have the ability to limit bandwidth/data transfered, but not display the results.. you'd need software on each individual machine monitoring it's individual bandwidth. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» KORHAL a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 4:02pm |
 Coolness: 558540 | I know Lifehacker takes questions some times. Could be worth a shot asking them, they'd post an article about it on their blog for all their users if they choose to. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 4:18pm |
 Coolness: 509550 | Originally Posted By MURDOCK_ROCK
Here's the deal... There are 6 mac addresses being used on my network. 1 mac running OSX 10.6, 1 pc running windows 7, 1 pc running XP, a blackberry and an Iphone all using wifi and 1 xbox 360 that is hard wired ethernet. What i need to do is find a way of monitoring how much bandwith each device uses over X amount of time. What is the easiest way to do this?? can't be done in any reasonable way... your router doesn't necessarily even know which device is communicating with the WAN at any given time unless every port is specifically mapped and even then they all utilize port 80 at some time or another. In order to try and get a solution set up for you, why do you need to do this in the first place? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 5:27pm |
 Coolness: 131585 | you can reinstall a custom firmware on your dsl modem router. [ openwrt.org ]
or use an old box running openbsd with routing , ipsec and quota activated. [ www.openbsd.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 8:02pm |
| Coolness: 509550 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
you can reinstall a custom firmware on your dsl modem router. [ openwrt.org ] or use an old box running openbsd with routing , ipsec and quota activated. [ www.openbsd.org ] exactly, no reasonable way. No ones knows what IPSec, openbsd or routing is, muchless how to use the technologies... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» KORHAL a répondu le Sat 20 Nov, 2010 @ 9:49pm |
| Coolness: 558540 | [ lifehacker.com ] Or this haha, funny how it shows up the day you ask. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sun 21 Nov, 2010 @ 1:36am |
| Coolness: 131585 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
exactly, no reasonable way. No ones knows what IPSec, openbsd or routing is, muchless how to use the technologies... not even openwrt... fucking sad wow... you cant have something for nothing ... geeze the routing rules are all documented on the net . .. you people get my moral down . im going back to ruined my sneaker on some m.i.a. and wont be back for a looong time . i have yet to find serious ppl on this rock , others than the ones who wrote my book collection. or those tech i never seen but "majordomo' about" ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK a répondu le Sun 21 Nov, 2010 @ 4:23pm |
| Coolness: 83865 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
nothing quick and easy.. a router will have the ability to limit bandwidth/data transfered, but not display the results.. you'd need software on each individual machine monitoring it's individual bandwidth. cheers fred. i've managed to find some for windows and OSx, the blackberry i'm not going to stress over, but what about the Xbox and iphone??? And it still seams like overkill to me... Cutterheads idea of doing it through the router makes a lot of sense, but i really don't want to fuck around with my network like that. It all sounds a little ridiculous that it can't be done. as, in theory it's a pretty simple idea and every device has it's own address... any ideas?? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sun 21 Nov, 2010 @ 8:31pm |
| Coolness: 131585 | you could use your mac's terminal . from there run "tcpdump" and with awk make a sorting script/routine that will cumulate results per computer in that network layer.
now , when i told you to use a dedicated machine instead of one of the computer in the network tree is that that computer will go uber slow from running tcpdump capture and sorting your info out. but that would be the easiest. next would be an openbsd firewall or router , and use quota to automatically limit them or whatever gazillion possibilities you have with openbsd. last would be to hack the modem/router, shove wrt in there and completly do it from there , no other machnes , no reconfiguration of the network , just a good ol man in the middle attack. but better than the one explained in that current post. last would be to use that multimeter / scope thing , that would be idiotic as you would need a dataloggin multimeter or scope . those starts at 800$ for the multimeters and 2000$ for the scopes. so , what i told you first was in anybody's budget. the rest is child's play.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Sun 21 Nov, 2010 @ 9:44pm |
| Coolness: 509550 | again, why do you want to do this. You can't be asking "which bus do I take to get to school?" the real question is "how can I get to school?" so what your real question?
if you simply want to know what devices transfer what, then I can assure you that there's no sane way of achieving that. But I am assuming you want this information for a reason, so maybe if you share the reason, we can share a solution. bandwidth measuring is a lot more complicated than you might imagine... for example, you desktop machines probably receive and discard tons of data, your router will too... anyway doesn't the iphone calculate incoming data in it's settings? @Cutterhead: anyone who doesn't know how to achieve this sort of thing , the only kind of person who would ask in the first place, is most definitely NOT looking for open source or otherwise tools that they need to configure and understand... you can't shoot package names at them and scoff when they tell you that's not a proper answer... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 2:37am |
| Coolness: 131585 | @ alienze why ask and dude there is a gazillion ways to skin that cat you need details on the colouer of the blood during skinnage ? deep packet inspection code avail out there , and anybody who understood their networking course wouldnt anwser your " nobody use the tools anyways " garbage bullshit
4 ways above now you provide a fifth reason why you ask ? centralised collection what else . large scale deployment would go with tcpdump+awk trickery or something alike , you need to open your manual and hunt why you have or not tcp data info in your /var/log depending on your *nix flavour. but whatever i see your having a oneway brainfart or somthing your last parr is tl'dr and nonsense. hunt thoses keywords down i see you havent. may i suggest you start off in your term with $ man man there is a whole other world that WORK with computers when your smoking your joints or playing wii with your friends or destroying megaton cuz you need to see this time how ill end. see i find your comment condecending or overgeneralising. and by " or " i mean the boleen logic people with brains can jingle with without buking on the words cuz you never prolly opened a dictionnary in the first place. you gotta give some to get some esp in opensource. fucking tourists |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Thu 25 Nov, 2010 @ 1:37am |
| Coolness: 509550 | wow, lol |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Thu 25 Nov, 2010 @ 2:26am |
| Coolness: 131585 | yea retrospect that was rude sorry. im still drunk , so im steping out of the wheel before i hit and run some more on the interweebs , but i meant to drop that line so you know im not all up about how it went ;D
all thoses technologies i talked about are well documented , in unix the command " $ man IPSEC " will yeld the IPSEC manual , $ man man the manual of the manual , you can even search wiki style using " $ man -k topicnamelikewhatthefuckistcp " , will list everything with "topicnamelikewhatthefuckistcp" know it got me really frustrated when you turned that like it was bull when its documented for 4 year old so they can make "a garden of eden kit" (whatever they want) unix manual is like a 9000 page o'reilly book windows help is like a bogushelp for dummies so imo the opensource , witch was made by students (milestone was the leaked system 3 at&t sources) cause back then people couldnt afford the proprietary systems , so they made one for everybody that in most case superseeded the orginal prorietary , and in a lot of case (microsoft citrix for example) is a " clone " at&t as much as red hat is like linus todorval's slackware. now i know why you want to know whats to do here , good question , allthou i think what op wants is to monitor traffic occupency and load , and load per occupency. my guess about whats he doing could be anything from a datafarm , to a headless local torrent exchange, and he doesnt want bell to bill him 600$ for d/l 6 terra in a month . deep packet , or simple packet load appending would at least leave him a clue about whats going on. anyways... hope i make more sense |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 3:11am |
 Coolness: 76700 | I was going to say tcpdump but Nico beat me to it. But the command line is a bit screwy for mac for it and I find I can't remember how to get it to make sense or even work properly. I wanted to do that a while back at my house, I have four computers I want to keep tabs on. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 9:27am |
| Coolness: 131585 | ah for mac its different , i dont remember if it has like openbsd a -VV or -VVV switch for ultra everbose ( print everything ) or a IP switch for ip traffic dump, but by using that and piping tru a witty awk filter script you could acheive a good relative number , not absolude but enough to know if you are a gig or not too many.
IMO i say openbsd , because even if they claim mac os use a bsd kernel , its still pretty stripped out or down , a lot of switches lacks in some programs , soem even used and never changed for 2 deccades yet apple manage to make it " easier " whitch rimes with stupider in their case. youll find why i say that the day you will want to repair the filesystem using fsck or fsck_hfs or something , i was never able to resolve the file system in teh mac yet when i did the command from openbsd it worked fine on the same drive. my 2 cents but im still shure with the zombie factory os you can still manage to run something liek that |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 3:17pm |
| Coolness: 76700 | Actually I'm not sure if tcpdump even comes with Darwin... I tried the command line a few times and don't remember it even found the application. Might need to enter sudo mode. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 4:52pm |
| Coolness: 131585 | that or the */*bin path wasnt in ENVIRON Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Sun 28 Nov, 2010 @ 4:38pm more than a way to skin a cat
way #2232347 Solar Winds Netflow Analyzer v2.1 Orion NetFlow Traffic Analyzer provides a new level of visibility into network traffic behavior and trends. By leveraging Cisco's NetFlow protocol to extract data from routers, NetFlow Traffic Analyzer provides an in-depth view into which users and applications are consuming the most bandwidth. NetFlow Traffic Analyzer converts that data into charts and tables providing network engineers with a easy way to identify and isolate the cause and source of network problems, as well as provide historical performance information to help plan for future growth. Pie charts show the distribution of bandwidth across different types of traffic (e.g., HTTP, FTP, VoIP) and across different users. Line charts show the usage patterns over time. NetFlow Traffic Analyzer can also identify the source of external traffic inbound to the corporate network. [ www.demonoid.com ] there is analysers out there, thought if you try a 3rd party program , be consciencious of the malicious and fakes out there. like this one above , havent tryed it , could work , could also wipe half your porn or forward it to the party van . nyways good luck Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Sun 28 Nov, 2010 @ 4:38pm more than a way to skin a cat
way #2232347 Solar Winds Netflow Analyzer v2.1 Orion NetFlow Traffic Analyzer provides a new level of visibility into network traffic behavior and trends. By leveraging Cisco's NetFlow protocol to extract data from routers, NetFlow Traffic Analyzer provides an in-depth view into which users and applications are consuming the most bandwidth. NetFlow Traffic Analyzer converts that data into charts and tables providing network engineers with a easy way to identify and isolate the cause and source of network problems, as well as provide historical performance information to help plan for future growth. Pie charts show the distribution of bandwidth across different types of traffic (e.g., HTTP, FTP, VoIP) and across different users. Line charts show the usage patterns over time. NetFlow Traffic Analyzer can also identify the source of external traffic inbound to the corporate network. [ www.demonoid.com ] there is analysers out there, thought if you try a 3rd party program , be consciencious of the malicious and fakes out there. like this one above , havent tryed it , could work , could also wipe half your porn or forward it to the party van . nyways good luck Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Sun 28 Nov, 2010 @ 4:56pm btw erik, if you arent root , or the skel login scripts dont include the full path environment to the tcpdump tool you must type the tree path completely in order to have it execute it.
otherwise for shure it will respond with a " command not found " if you want to load it from the dir you stand in , having found it using " ls " , then use " ./ " or " pwd " to print the tree path either will work, append tcpdump with hte switches after the last slash. Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Sun 28 Nov, 2010 @ 4:57pm ./tcpdump (if you see it using ls alone) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Mon 29 Nov, 2010 @ 1:25am |
| Coolness: 76700 | I've only used tcpdump in SmartTerm which means it had a simplified perl script to it. I can't figure out the syntax for the command really, and I also get the picture that you need to run it inside the switch to monitor traffic on a switch. So it starts to go a bit over my head there. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Mon 29 Nov, 2010 @ 1:27am |
 Coolness: 86080 | I have a question. WHY DO ALL ISPs LIVE TO FUCK EVERYONE OVER? Answer that. |
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