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Urban War In France
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Tue 28 Nov, 2006 @ 3:13am |
 Coolness: 145290 | PARIS (Reuters) - Stoned, beaten and insulted, their vehicles torched by crowds of hostile youths, French police say they face an urban guerrilla war when they enter the run-down neighborhoods that ring the major cities.
Our role is to guarantee the safety of people and property but the great difficulty today is that police are having problems ensuring their own safety," said Jerome Hanarte of the Alliance-Police Nationale union. Bedside television interviews with officers hospitalized after beatings in "les banlieues," or suburbs, support statistics showing a 6.7 percent jump in violent crime in the 12 months to August. Fourteen officers are hurt every day in the line of duty, unions estimate, and law and order is sure to feature prominently in next year's presidential election. The head of the French crime statistics body told Reuters the rise in attacks on police was partly due to Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy's 2002 decision to order police back into tough areas, to disrupt the black economy that fuels crime. Some residents complain the move spawned constant police harassment which has only exacerbated tensions with local youths, many of whom come from ethnic minorities. "You can see discrimination in ID controls," complained Kader Latreche, 36, an Algerian with his own photo equipment repair shop in the La Courneuve suburb. "Why is it always people from the Maghreb or black people who are being stopped and checked? If it happens over and over again, it gets to you. People are frustrated, that's obvious." CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE How much those frustrations are driving the violent reaction to police is hard to gauge but Nicolas Comte, general secretary of the Syndicat General de la Police (SGP), said officers now face guerrilla warfare in the suburbs. "The simple presence of men in uniforms in some areas is no longer a provocation but a declaration of war in the minds of some louts," he told a recent police union rally. The spike in violence has sharpened the political debate and the left is demanding a return to community policing, with more officers on the beat making contacts with local people. Sarkozy, favorite to represent the mainstream right in next year's elections, says police are paid to detect crime, not play the social worker. Dispirited officers complain they are caught in the middle. "The latest insult I got was 'Sarko's suppo' (suppository) -- so I don't know if it's the police officer who is the target or our minister that's the cause of the problem," said a plain clothes officer in the tough Seine-Saint-Denis district. Sarkozy is a hate figure for many suburban youths and his strong language about delinquents is blamed by many for fomenting last year's suburban riots in which some 8,000 vehicles were torched along with schools, creches and other public buildings. Karine Guigon, a police officer and SGP union official in a suburb south of Paris, says the security forces have become society's nursemaids. "We are there to apply the sticking plaster pretty much everywhere. But the follow-up work isn't done," she said. Guigon joined the force 10 years ago, attracted by the contact with the public and the chance to make a difference on the street with wayward youngsters. In the intervening period, society at large has done little to improve matters. "Ten years ago, when I worked in the education system, teachers were being told to educate youngsters because the parents couldn't manage to any more," Guigon said. "Ten years later, I'm working in the police and we're being told to help youngsters because the education system and the parents aren't succeeding." FALSE DEBATE Guigon favors a return to the community policing approach abandoned by Sarkozy in 2002, but not all her colleagues agree. "It's a false debate," said Hanarte, whose union is generally supportive of Sarkozy and wants judges to take a tougher stance against delinquents. "Why put foot patrols in these districts if they will be systematically attacked by youngsters, who are repeatedly arrested and then systematically released by the justice system? "Having police in these areas can only be a good idea if, beforehand ... police have arrested the delinquents in the suburbs. You have to start by that, restoring a certain calm." Calm is a long way off. The plain clothes officer in Seine-Saint-Denis said seven colleagues were attacked recently after chasing a driver who skipped a checkpoint. Their vehicle was torched and they narrowly escaped serious injury. "The high number of officers hurt means that police themselves don't feel safe," he said. "That's pretty serious, because if police don't feel safe, you can imagine what the ordinary citizen feels," added the officer who asked not to be identified. To protect themselves, police often move in large groups -- a tactic youngsters say is heavy-handed and overly aggressive. Comte says the threat to police is so great in some neighborhoods they should exercise their "right to withdraw." That means refusing to respond to emergency calls if they judge they cannot guarantee their own safety. "Frankly, it's not worth getting your head kicked in for an end of year bonus of 200 euros ($256.8)," said the plain clothes officer. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 11:08am |
 Coolness: 201315 | what they fail to mention is that the "youths" in these suburbs are almost all immigrants from countries (mainly north africa I believe). This isn't just a riot it's basically a race/culture war. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 11:12am |
 Coolness: 339755 | Do they also mention they're rioting because they have nothing better to do with themselves? They have no jobs so they riot. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 1:24pm |
| Coolness: 201315 | yes obviously they are disenfranchised, but the media is irresponsible for not explaining the details and reason for this uprising. It would be like describing the rodney king riot as "a bunch of angry adults". |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 339755 | The L.A. riots was when society fell apart in Los Angeles due to racial aggravation. I'm not sure that's what's prompting the violence in France. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 2:25pm |
 Coolness: 102855 | Because you would have more chance to get a job if you change your last name Muslim name "Mohammed" to a French name like "Lebeau". |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 2:37pm |
| Coolness: 339755 | Why does everyone assume jobs are supposed to be handed to them?
If you can't find a job.. START YOUR OWN FUCKING COMPANY. It's a free market, stop expecting everyone to do everything for you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 5:00pm |
 Coolness: 178735 | But to start a new company, don't you need a good amount of money?
I don't think that when you emigrate in a new country you have lots of it... So you have no choice but to get whatever job you can get. But if there is discrimination, then it sucks, you're stuck. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 5:40pm |
| Coolness: 339755 | Depends on the business.
Running a service based business costs nothing unless you need tools. Don't have tools? Make some. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 7:59pm |
| Coolness: 102855 | In France, lots of Companies won't hire you because your name isn't French.
Doesn't matter if you have all the right skills and education. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Wed 29 Nov, 2006 @ 8:54pm |
| Coolness: 178735 | C'est pas correct ça. Y'a pas des lois contre ça? Comme au Québec... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Thu 30 Nov, 2006 @ 8:39am |
| Coolness: 145290 | I've been to some of those neighborhoods in Paris (i used to buy dope in St Denis) and i got to say that some of those places are some of the roughest hoods i've ever been to, way rougher than anything in NYC i've ever been to. When i used to go to pick up herb there, i used to go with two friends durring the middle of the day, all of us had blades, we never stopped moving, never talked to anybody who tried to talk to us on the street, and we were always in and out. We still sometimes had problems with locales. |
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