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Egypt Bans Full Face Covering Veils In Some Area
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Tue 17 Oct, 2006 @ 10:43pm |
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EGYPT: VEIL ROW MOUNTS AT UNIVERSITY Cairo, 17 Oct (AKI) - The row over the wearing of the niqab, the Islamic veil showing eyes only, recently banned in the female dormitories at Cairo University on security grounds, shows no signs of abating. Street protests, debates in local newspapers and on television, added to the complainy of a well known Islamic preacher have further fueled the controversy. Youssef Al Badri, a member of Egypt's Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs and a famous preacher linked to the Islamic movement Gamaa al-Islamiya, on Monday denounced to the Cairo authorities a teacher of Islamic law, Souad Saleh, who was quoted as saying she was 'disgusted' by girls in full veil. In an interview to an Arabic satellite tv network, Saleh, who is also former head of the faculty of female religious studies at the university of al-Azhar, the highest authority in Sunni Islam, said she was "worried by this backward tendency which was reemerging with a vengeance in Egyptian society." She said those who wore the eyes-only veil were "people who do not know or understand anything of Islam." Al Badri made an official complaint about the teacher whom he alleged had insulted hundreds of veiled women "who act freely in exercising their right." Saleh, known in Egypt as "the women's mufti" for her numerous fatwas, or religious edicts relating to women, rebutted on daily al-Sharq Al-Awsat, that hers was "a personal comment on an increasingly common phenomenon but which was not meant in any way to offend women." "There is a significant difference between the hijab, a simple veil which frames the face, and the niqab, which leaves only the eyes visible" she added. "The first is a religious duty, but the second is a sheer cultural convention, which has no raison d'etre in Islamic sources" she said. During the protests triggered in recent days by the niqab-ban in the dormitories, Sheikh Sayed al-Tantawi, the highest theological figure at al-Azhar, stepped into the debate, defending the ban. He explained that as long as students were made to remove the niqab and not the hijab, it was not a sin. In Egypt, the authorities worry that the growing strength of the Muslim Brotherhood and a movement away from secularism may slow down the democratic reforms promised but notn yet implemented by president Hosni Mubarak. In Cairo, the number of women wearing veils, be they simple or all-covering, is growing daily. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Anarkoid a répondu le Wed 25 Oct, 2006 @ 12:18am |
 Coolness: 192815 | She is right the Hijab is bad because it force the women to wear certain things but the "Niqab" is incredibly wrong because it removes a woman personality in society making women basically objects...non-persons. So this in my opinion is not any better than slavery |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Wed 25 Oct, 2006 @ 1:15pm |
 Coolness: 92405 | The same is true on the other side of the coin. Women who wear it willingly believe that by covering themselves they are making themselves neutral.. they are illiminating a mans instinct to use her as an object. When she puts on the veil she is no longer wanted, she will no longer be used for alterior motives. People will leave her to her businness, she will not be harassed. When she accomplishes something she will know she did it herself, she'll know it's not becuase she has big breasts. She will be taken seriously. When she puts on the veil it means she no longer cares what you think. It is supposed to mean that she is not an object. For those who wear it willignly I beleive that's what it means.
In highschool we always had the same debate with the teachers over uniforms. We would say that we shouldn't have to wear uniforms because we can't express ourselves in a uniform. The teachers used to say it's a good thing that we can't express ourselves, that we all become equal. We were both right, there are two sides of the coin. If we all look the same we can't judge eachother as quickly, we start with a blank slate of infinite possiblities. Not only that but sometimes it makes a persons true colours more clear. The contrast between us no longer becomes confused with our clothing. In a certain way it makes us more individual. |
| I'm feeling long gone right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine a répondu le Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 11:20am |
 Coolness: 51110 | Originally Posted By MOONDANCER
she'll know it's not becuase she has big breasts. wouldnt big tits stand out, veil or no veil? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 12:00pm |
| Coolness: 92405 | I don't think it would have the same arousing effect as when they're bulging out of a lacey corset but you know what I mean.. it doesn't exactly make them look attractive or womanly. The hottest chick in the world probably wouldn't be hot if her hair was covered like that. Imagine Angelina Jolie or Jessica Alba in a veil or anyone. Yeah she'd still have her pretty face but.. not seeing the hair is kinda eh.. not sexy. Mise À Jour » moondancer a écrit sur Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 12:02pm anyways, it's a well known fact that it's designed to make women less tempting to men, I'm not the one who came up with it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine a répondu le Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 1:30pm |
| Coolness: 51110 | i know i see what youre saying, but i also know that for many guys, the more thats covered the more you want to see,......think of a naked chick wearing only a pair of long gloves or something,...after a while of her parading around, all you'd wanna see would be for those gloves to come off..... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 6:15pm |
| Coolness: 178785 | Well, from what I know the meaning of the veil is different depending on the country you're from...
My boyfriend's best friend is Muslim, and for his culture (don't remember the country he's from... Algeria or something like that I think), a girl wears a veil when she's not ready to have a boyfriend. Like, let's say this girl wants to finish her DEC before going out with someone, well, she'll wear the veil until she's got her DEC, and after, she'll remove it, kuz now she's ready to seek a boyfriend... Mise À Jour » cvxn a écrit sur Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 6:15pm ***update***
well it's not full-face covering veil, it's just a normal one that hides the hair... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Thu 26 Oct, 2006 @ 7:57pm |
| Coolness: 201365 | Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks
Richard Kerbaj October 26, 2006 THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear Islamic headdress for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals. In a Ramadan sermon that has outraged Muslim women leaders, Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame. While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years". "But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked. The leader of the 2000 rapes in Sydney's southwest, Bilal Skaf, a Muslim, was initially sentenced to 55 years' jail, but later had the sentence reduced on appeal. In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? "The uncovered meat is the problem." The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred." He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men. "It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)." Muslim community leaders were yesterday outraged and offended by Sheik Hilali's remarks, insisting the cleric was no longer worthy of his title as Australia's mufti. Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali - who does not wear a hijab - said the Islamic headdress was not a "tool" worn to prevent rape and sexual harassment. "It's a symbol that readily identifies you as being Muslim, but just because you don't wear the headscarf doesn't mean that you're considered fresh meat for sale," the former member of John Howard's Muslim advisory board told The Australian. "The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves." Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said the hijab did not "detract or add to a person's moral standards", while Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali said it was "ignorant and naive" for anyone to believe that a hijab could stop sexual assault. "Anyone who is foolish enough to believe that there is a relationship between rape or unwelcome sexual interference and the failure to wear a hijab, clearly has no understanding of the nature of sexual crime," he said. Ms Hage-Ali said she was "disgusted and offended" by Shiek Hilali's comments. "I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia's Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense." Yesterday, the mufti defended the sermon about "adultery and theft", a recorded copy of which has been obtained and translated by The Australian. Sheik Hilali said he only meant to refer to prostitutes as "meat" and not any scantily dressed woman with no hijab, despite him not mentioning the word prostitute during the 17-minute talk. He told The Australian the message he intended to convey was: "If a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame ... but a man should be able to control himself". He said if a woman is "covered and respectful" she "demands respect from a man". "But when she is cheap, she throws herself at the man and cheapens herself." Sheik Hilali also insisted his references to the Sydney gang rapes were to illustrate that Skaf was guilty and worthy of receiving such a harsh sentence. Waleed Ali said Sheik Hilali was "normalising immoral sexual behaviour" by comparing women to meat and men to animals and entirely blaming women for being victims. "It's basically saying that the immoral response of men to women who are not fully covered is as natural and as inevitable as the response of an animal tempted by food," he said. "But (unlike animals) men are people who have moral responsibilities and the capability in engaging in moral action." Revelation of the mufti's comments comes after he criticised Mr Howard last month in The Australian for saying a minority of migrant men mistreated their women. Sheik Hilali said such a minority was found in all faiths. "Those who don't respect their women are not true Muslims." "There's a small percentage found among all religions, but we don't recognise ours as Muslims." Aziza Abdel-Halim said Sheik Hilali's remarks during Ramadan were inaccurate and upsetting to the Muslim community. "They are below and beyond any comment (and) do not deserve any consideration." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Fri 27 Oct, 2006 @ 2:07pm |
| Coolness: 178785 | Lol, heard about that one. I think the guy might get kicked out of Australia too. ;)
Tsé, y'a des limites lol |
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