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Going Live
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 2:49am |
 Coolness: 73110 | I've been working my ass off, on this "album" lately and I've decided now that I have a few completed songs under my belt that I'd like to bring my music live.
I have a few questions though I'm hoping some of you can awnser for me. If I do perform live I'd be alot more interested in doing a live p.a. type thing. Only thing is I have absolutely no clue how I'd manage to do all this live. In the studio environment I'm used to, I never work on more then one track in a song at a time. How would I go about connecting everything to work live. Like, when most artist do live p.a. exactly how are they doing it? In my songs I can have as many as 10-15 different synths/sounds going on at once. How the fuck am I supposed to play em all live? Seperately I can replay any of my songs no problem... but it's really hard playing even 2 synth lines at the same time. What I always figured was that artists would have sets prepaired and would only have have to play a single synth line, or control the filter frequency of a certain sound, and have all the other sounds sort of playing themselves in the back ground. This really doesn't seem right to me though... it sort of defeats the purpose of live p.a... In case your wondering I use Cubase SX3 to sequence everything... and it's not very effective at being used live. I use hardware + vsti's at the same time also. The only option that I see that could work for me would be to buy maybe 3-4 more synths and a drum machine and hook it all up using midi. But then again, what sort of interface would I need to run this? I really don't have 10 000$ to spend on enough gear so that I can play it all live. Thanks to anybody who clears this up for me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ckm001 a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 9:47am |
 Coolness: 35005 | Great topic. With live p.a. pretty much anything goes. Obviously you can't play everything live (unless you want to bring 10 people on stage with you :P). I think that most try to play as much as they can live - usually the most expressive parts - and leave repetitive parts like basslines and some drums to the machines/sequencer (some people will just bounce them to audio), and focus their 'live' stuff on leads, tweaking, and the mixer.
I use Logic as my main sequencer (similar to Cubase) and I'd like to know how people handle the downtime between loading new tracks? Or does everybody just use Ableton Live? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 10:08am |
 Coolness: 685615 | Ableton Live is your answer! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 12:23pm |
 Coolness: 102230 | big time :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 3:36pm |
 Coolness: 103360 | just bounce everything from your track cept a few leads and automate em live. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» volo a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 3:47pm |
 Coolness: 40895 | I still noticed I had big lag times in Ableton live, loading tracks. And how do you "mix" tracks on Ableton live? Sequencing them together takes too long, running two copies is too laggy, and loading a new tracks takes too much time and has no mix ability. So what do you do? load them up into wavs? :P
I wanna be able to tweak them both, and mix them together. What program offers that functionality for live pa? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 3:59pm |
| Coolness: 685615 | Ableton does it pretty well. Just drag all your tunes in in advance and beatmap 'em. I did 2 mixes in Ableton and I'm working on a 3rd now. Beatmatching them properly is a little tricky at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's really, really easy and fast. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» volo a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 4:03pm |
| Coolness: 40895 | Yeah I was listening to your mix earlier, really good. I assume it would be easier with a midi controller that has assignable faders and so on. So basically you load all the tracks onto individual channels....but you can't access each tracks individual channels? hmmm, there must be another way, a way...of the ninja. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 4:10pm |
| Coolness: 685615 | Well, if you want to do it like that, then you could just export the individual tracks. What you should do is export a bunch of drum loops, bass/synth/whatever loops, and load them into ableton.. It's how most sets are done with that (either externaly-made loops, or you could do it all within ableton)
A midi controller would help, but you don't really *need* one. You can assign EQ cuts to keys on your computer's keybpard (though I still haven't quite figgured that one out, ScottyP knows how) The whole set that I did was with no midi controller, just ran through dropping all the tracks when I needed them, and then worked the automation on the volume/EQs. Ableton comes with some tutorials, check them out, they're actually damn handy! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» volo a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 5:51pm |
| Coolness: 40895 | Hmm, the idea of making sequences live isn't very efficient.
If I have a series of productions, that I have made in a sequencing software, I want to be able to load the songs individually and keep all of their structures intact, while building together an entire set of the songs together. I guess what I'm looking for here is a completely modular system for music, where entire songs could be imported into the main sequencing program, while retaining the features that make them individual, like automation. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 5:54pm |
 Coolness: 87600 | I have seen a lot of artists do a "live" by just mixing pre-rendered songs and advertising themselves as a "Live", I find it totally disgusting. The most you could say is that you are doing a DJ mix, "featuring 100% original material".
To me, if you are going to call it a "Live PA", it's better do to like Screwhead is describing at the end, to render a bunch of loops taken from your tracks, and to play around with that. Ableton Live is basically built around that idea and certainly is the best option for that. If you want to bring in some hardware, you can even use Live as your main sequencer, the heart of your rig, but still have all these other things around it, depending on your needs. What I would howeve suggest, in such a setup, is to pre-render as many loops as you can and refrain as much as possible from using VSTs during your live. You want to keep your CPU load to the minumum and play it safe to avoid any possible crashes during the show. Also, just as a precaution, I would have a recording of a set that I have already done at home and would hit "play" on it at the begining of my set. If, in the middle of the set, I have a major crash on the computer or on my other equipment, I turn the volume up on the pre-recorded set. You're better off with a 2 seconds silence than with an aborted set. ;) Have fun! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» volo a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 6:16pm |
| Coolness: 40895 | Originally Posted By OMNI I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF ARTISTS DO A "LIVE" BY JUST MIXING PRE-RENDERED SONGS AND ADVERTISING THEMSELVES AS A "LIVE", I FIND IT TOTALLY DISGUSTING. THE MOST YOU COULD SAY IS THAT YOU ARE DOING A DJ MIX, "FEATURING 100% ORIGINAL MATERIAL".
I completely agree, although I think disgusting is a bit too far to go. A lot of dj's and producers have very definable limits on where mixing and performing ought to be, but remember, the way this art originated was from mixing on incredibly poor equipment, we're all lucky to be in such a place where we can do such amazing things with music at this stage. Good idea on the backup mix! those little MD's and Dat's can be a life saver. May I quote the ever famous Autechre crash: Live performance, one of their pieces of gear crashes, creating a huge static burst that went on for at least two minutes while they tried to find the source. the crowd goes wild. :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ a répondu le Tue 15 Aug, 2006 @ 6:47pm |
| Coolness: 102230 | personnally in a ''live context'' i use alot of audio loops (drums, synths, whatever...) and use like 2-3 send fx in Ableton Live and it works fine for me :) :) :) |
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