Re: Think About It--Virus Destruction
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 9:43am |
 Coolness: 56200 | Even if you don't like me, please read the article, my comments are in italics. I feel that the media is trying to fool some of the people some of the time sorta-thing.
scientists Scramble to Destroy Flu Strain 22 minutes ago Health - AP By EMMA ROSS and MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writers Scientists around the world were scrambling to prevent the possibility of a pandemic after a nearly 50-year-old killer influenza virus was sent to thousands of labs, a decision that one researcher described as "unwise." Nearly 5,000 labs in 18 countries, mostly in the United States, were urged by the World Health Organization to destroy samples of the dangerous virus because of the slight risk it could trigger a global outbreak. The labs received the virus from a U.S. company that supplies kits used for quality control tests. "The risk is low and we've taken appropriate action," said Dr. Nancy Cox, chief of the influenza branch at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. There is no reason to believe that the risk is low. However, there is no need to worry, as that would not neccessarily make our immune systems any more resilient to any disease for that matter. I wonder how they plan on destroying the virus. To “destroy” the virus or to make sure it no longer exists as a threat, scientist would need to know what caused the virus. I fear that they may merely temporally destroy the virus, which means that the virus in its present form would no longer exist. But the virus itself would subsist in a different form. Her counterpart at WHO, Klaus Stohr, agreed but said, "If someone does get infected, the risk of severe illness is high, and this virus has shown to be fully transmissible." All the more reason to destroy the virus. But is they are to destroy the virus, truly and completely, again, they would need to know the cause. The virus is an effect. It is a symptom of a larger problem. I think they are looking for support or a lack of resistance towards them attempting to “kill” the strain. But be careful, even though scientists think that they can kill the virus, it may not necessarily stop the virus. The germ, the 1957 H2N2 "Asian flu" strain, killed between 1 million and 4 million people. It has not been included in flu vaccines since 1968, and anyone born after that date has little or no immunity to it. More reason to fear that this virus could kill you and as some would like you to think that the solution lies in destroying the virus. One of the principles of science is that nothing can created or destroyed. Again, I repeat, they are going to destroy the virus—what does that mean?! The WHO said Tuesday that there have been no reports of infections in laboratory workers associated with the distribution of the samples and that "the risk for the general population is also considered low." Perhaps, it takes a while for the infection to be detected. Perhaps, the technology we have cannot detect the infection from this virus. Why is this not being mentioned. But they do say that since people were not able to detect any infections in people using the present-day technology that we have then that implies that the general population would very likely not be infected either. But actually, what it means is that our technology could not detect the virus in people who were working closely with the virus and so what would make us think that it could detect it in people who are not so closely in contact with the virus. Still, the decision to send out the strain was described by Stohr as "unwise" and "unfortunate." The CDC learned Friday that test kits prepared by Meridian Bioscience Inc. of Cincinnati contained the virus. The company makes kits for at least four groups that help labs do proficiency testing, which involves identifying viruses to check a lab's quality controls or to acquire certification. That’s another thing, I would like to think that the viruses are in the hands of professionals and would like to be comforted by the thought. But I am not because I know how humans can be, even professionals. The largest of those groups, the College of American Pathologists, said it had sent 3,747 kits to various labs starting last year and ending in February. Dr. Jared Schwartz, an official with the pathology college, said Meridian was told to pick an influenza sample and chose from its stockpile the deadly 1957 strain, which it had received from a "germ library" in 2000. Other test kit providers also used the strain. Schwartz identified them as Medical Lab Evaluators, the American Association of Bioanalysts and the American Association of Family Practitioners. Officials at Meridian could not immediately be reached for comment late Tuesday after business hours. Most of the labs that received the test kits were in the United States. The vials also were sent to labs in Belgium, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Brazil, France, Germany, Chile, Hong Kong, Israel, Italy, Lebanon, Mexico, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and Taiwan. Some of the labs outside the United States have already incinerated their samples, Stohr said, and WHO hoped the rest of the vials would be destroyed by Friday. The samples were burned in hopes that that would destroy the virus. Again, nothing can be created or destroyed, it just changes form. I assume that the particles would go in the air. Have you noticed that many more people have been getting sick these past couple/few years? Perhaps, it is in part because of the presence and the attempt at destroying this virus. How come the media doesn’t make that connection? Just because they do not mention something, it does not mean that it is not the case. The kits contain blind samples that labs must correctly identify to pass the test. The influenza virus included in the kits typically is one that is currently circulating or has recently circulated. A Canadian laboratory detected the 1957 pandemic strain on March 26 in a sample that was later traced to a test kit. The WHO notified health authorities in countries that received the kits and recommended that all samples be destroyed. The College of American Pathologists asked labs to incinerate the samples immediately and confirm their actions in writing. I need to write a letter to the WHO. The virus' presence in thousands of labs focused fresh attention on the safe handling of deadly germs — an issue that led to toughened U.S. rules after anthrax was sent in the mail in 2001, killing five Americans. Cox said officials strongly doubt someone deliberately planted the dangerous germ. "It wouldn't be a smart way to start a pandemic to send it to laboratories because we have people well trained in biocontainment," she said. But Stohr said the test kits are not the only supplies of the 1957 pandemic strain sitting in laboratories around the world. "The world really has to think what routine labs should be doing with these samples they have kept in the back of their fridges," he said. And the article is ended like that.. geez! On the Net: WHO statement: [ www.who.int ] Meridian Bioscience: [ www.meridianbioscience.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 10:15am |
 Coolness: 134270 | ok ,thats way too long to read.
do you have a shortened "note" version. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 10:39am |
 Coolness: 43000 | ya, it was a long read, so i didnt complete it, but my 2 cents are:
the virus was already contained 40 years ago. All that is left of it are samples. If you destroy the samples, there will be no more of this virus. Until another 'souche' mutates in the same fashion (which is highly unlikely, since nature tries things once). "The samples were burned in hopes that that would destroy the virus. Again, nothing can be created or destroyed, it just changes form. I assume that the particles would go in the air. Have you noticed that many more people have been getting sick these past couple/few years? Perhaps, it is in part because of the presence and the attempt at destroying this virus. How come the media doesn’t make that connection? Just because they do not mention something, it does not mean that it is not the case. " now you are pushing too far. Burning a virus transforms it into NOT a virus. I wont argue you could get lung cancer from air polution, but it wont be the virus's doing. Its dead, done. I think you underestimate the scientist. Don't think they aer careless, they don't want to die. Maybe in some poor country poorly equipped, but they wouldnt send samples of deadly viruses to those places. "One of the principles of science is that nothing can created or destroyed" again, you are abusing the principle. Here's a blunt example: I can kill jean charest. He will not affect quebec anymore. He wasnt destroyed, but 'transformed' into something that is no more a problem. That is what they are going to do. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 10:53am |
 Coolness: 45625 | You're such an alarmist. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 11:00am |
| Coolness: 45625 | Someone who wastes their time miserable and worrying about everything and trying to make everyone else worried. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 11:03am |
| Coolness: 45625 | plus you're fat |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 11:10am |
 Coolness: 339665 | and stupid! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blah123 a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 11:15am |
 Coolness: 46870 | Quote:
The samples were burned in hopes that that would destroy the virus. Again, nothing can be created or destroyed, it just changes form. I assume that the particles would go in the air. Have you noticed that many more people have been getting sick these past couple/few years? Perhaps, it is in part because of the presence and the attempt at destroying this virus. How come the media doesn’t make that connection? Just because they do not mention something, it does not mean that it is not the case. Learn your physics, yes this is a true statement, but you have greatly misinterprated it. It means that MATTER cannot be created or destroyed, is just changes form, if you burn a mass it is tranformed into heat energy, amongst other things, you cant in any way use this as an argument to justify that `burning` (and I use quotes because they do not burn a virus in the conventional sense, thay say that so ppl will understand that bottom line) a virus does not release parts of it in the air and promote more risk of infection. Not to meantion, do you think they have a big camp fire OUTSIDE and burn a burnch of viles, letting the debrees fly in to the air? Come on, they have higly equiped facilities for this kind of thing, |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 11:55am |
| Coolness: 339665 | what about the lack of matter.. can you destroy that? :| |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 12:43pm |
| Coolness: 43000 | of course, you just fill it with matter :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 12:45pm |
| Coolness: 339665 | technically speaking the lack of matter could be construed as anti-matter... meaning you can destroy anti-matter by putting matter there, and vice versa.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 12:47pm |
| Coolness: 45625 | Not destroy, replace.
Remember high school. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 1:07pm |
| Coolness: 339665 | "To do away with; put an end to"
to do away with the emptiness prehaps? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 1:25pm |
| Coolness: 43000 | anti-matter is not matterless space |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 1:25pm |
| Coolness: 50970 | Originally posted by CINDERELLA SOUL...
I feel that the media is trying to fool some of the people some of the time sorta-thing. jimminy-willikers!!!!!!!!!!!! i just realized the sky is blue!!!!! astro-nut: its not her fault.....she's clearly an immunologist and not a physicist... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 1:28pm |
| Coolness: 339665 | Originally posted by SMURF...
anti-matter is not matterless space did you read what i wrote? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 3:06pm |
| Coolness: 43000 | "technically speaking the lack of matter could be construed as anti-matter"
ok, could be, but highly unlikely. It could be filled with dreams, man loving lesbians or arkonite. but it doesn't matter (Zing!). |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 3:13pm |
| Coolness: 339665 | you forgot ether.. it's PACKED with heavenly ether and ambrosia. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 3:19pm |
 Coolness: 150460 | I'm not sure if I read everything there properly, but from what I gathered, I need to ask one question: Why send a potentially deadly virus, that if let lose, would cause a pandemic, acorss the globe only for it to be destoryed?
Why not just destroy it (if possible) somewhere in the U.S? This article makes me feel sick.... ughghghghhhh. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IMDeadAlready a répondu le Wed 13 Apr, 2005 @ 4:21pm |
| Coolness: 45625 | Because they trust us, and that we wont make a biological weapon with it. $D
Feel priviledged. |
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