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The Hatred Of Quebec...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 4:57am |
 Coolness: 145150 | I'm glad the election cycle is over...
really, it's strange sometimes viewing it from a far like I do... One thing has become clear to me, the rest of canada HATES us...for real, I've never seen such frothing at the mouth murderous hatred directed towards me and my people... Check the comment boards on [ CTV.ca ] and Yahoo canada...you will see some really awful stuff without looking too hard. also when I meet other 'canadians' around the world, they are really friendly till they find out I am from quebec and then their backs go up and they get aggressive...It's funny because if anything 'canadians' attitude to me and quebec have only served to 'harden my heart' against them. I actually get along better with americans overseas than with 'canadians'. It's strange because with any other group of people (jews, asians, muslims, blacks) if you spoke the way that some of these people spoke you would be laughed out of the room as a horrible bigot, but strangely this is not the case when it comes to people from quebec. For me it's at the personal level, I don't really give a shit about politics much anymore, (i think politics are a waste of time) I don't think I should be held responsible for the politics of where I come from (no one chooses where they come from) anyway what do others think? Are you guys feeling the quebec hate? Or is it just my imagination...? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 2:34pm |
 Coolness: 685540 | It's not just the rest of Canada, it's the rest of the world. Posting on Dogs on Acid that you're from Quebec is regarded as you being even WORSE scum than if you were an American, because we're whiny crybabies who are never happy and always want special treatment.
Which, for the most part, isn't that far from the truth. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 5:24pm |
 Coolness: 106065 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
It's not just the rest of Canada, it's the rest of the world. And you base this observation on comments you read on dogs on acid? Wow... You should get out more. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 6:01pm |
| Coolness: 685540 | That was just one example. Most every forum I've posted on, all the IRC chatrooms I've been in since the mid 90s; telling people you're Canadian, they love you. Tell them you're from Quebec and immediately they distrust you or start talking shit about you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 6:19pm |
 Coolness: 91340 | The ROC's propaganda is working well I see. Update » SourUltraFast wrote on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 8:35pm Because not letting an illegitimate federal government fuck you over (just like they do with Alberta and BC as well) in an attitude of contempt (QC has been excluded from the constitution, let's not forget) is being a whiny bitch. Sure! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 6:50pm |
 Coolness: 158720 | Can't say I ever felt much hatred abroad, though I've only ever traveled in Europe. In fact met quite a few very friendly Canadians and none of them ever made any derogatory remarks.
Usually mentioned I was from Montreal, Qc, and not just Quebec, and I have to say Montreal's rep is very high. I HAVE been feeling much much hate ever since the elections though. Old divisive politics are definitely at play again. </3 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Sep 8, 2012 @ 8:22pm |
| Coolness: 106065 | Originally Posted By SOURULTRAFAST
The ROC's propaganda is working well I see. This |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Sep 9, 2012 @ 12:03pm |
 Coolness: 159070 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
It's not just the rest of Canada, it's the rest of the world. Posting on Dogs on Acid that you're from Quebec is regarded as you being even WORSE scum than if you were an American, because we're whiny crybabies who are never happy and always want special treatment. Which, for the most part, isn't that far from the truth. I am unfortunately subjected to this firsthand. I've been working countrywide customer service jobs for about 10 years now and as much as I'd like to disprove this assumption, I can't. Quebecers are unfortunately the first ones to start yelling, bitching and whining about their services and that, in both languages. Not saying this doesn't occur in other provinces but on average, it's more often here than anywhere else, unfortunately. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 1:18pm |
 Coolness: 166495 | I just tell people I'm from Montreal, and get nothin' but love ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 1:36pm |
 Coolness: 35540 | You are just wrong. Many ppl admire the political system in Quebec as a system the rest of canada should adopt in one form or another. Its just another left right debate. And unfortunately as always the ppl with the biggets opinions are usually the most full of shit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 2:03pm |
| Coolness: 158720 | Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW
You are just wrong. Many ppl admire the political system in Quebec as a system the rest of canada should adopt in one form or another. Its just another left right debate. And unfortunately as always the ppl with the biggets opinions are usually the most full of shit. That has some merit. Quebec has always been more progressive and less neoliberal than the rest of North America. In fact, most of the newer and more progressive parties advocate a model closer to some European/Scandinavia countries, while the rest Canada is globally moving towards a neoliberal agenda. Sigh. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 2:36pm |
| Coolness: 166495 | Originally Posted By TOY_POLICE
That has some merit. Quebec has always been more progressive and less neoliberal than the rest of North America. In fact, most of the newer and more progressive parties advocate a model closer to some European/Scandinavia countries, while the rest Canada is globally moving towards a neoliberal agenda. Sigh. which is exactly why shit like the Plan Nord pisses so many of us off, it reeks of neo-liberalism :/ selling off our resources - do not want! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 3:31pm |
 Coolness: 30790 | Originally Posted By NATHAN
which is exactly why shit like the Plan Nord pisses so many of us off, it reeks of neo-liberalism :/ selling off our resources - do not want! Actually, the Plan Nord IN ITSELF is not the baddest idea ever for an economy like ours. However, the absolutely insane way the Liberals were pushing it is despicable. They were selling our resources without regards to real benefit, in an improvised way. There was so many loose ends to the deal it was basically a joke. They even dared to call that ''Projet de société'' Thank god these guys have been sent back into the opposition. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 3:35pm |
| Coolness: 106065 | A little article I found about Le plan nard.
By FRYAN | Published: AUGUST 15, 2012 As Quebec moves toward an election in a few weeks, Premier’s Charest’s Plan Nord has become a major point in the incumbent government’s platform. While the promise of foreign investment to create a resource boom, not unlike Alberta’s tar-sands in scale, looks good to many Quebecers, a few have questioned details of Plan Nord. The lack of official detail is one cause for concern, since a re-election of the government will be seen as public approval for The Plan. Early August, a consultant from Aylmer approached the Bulletin d’Aylmer with her story from Plan Nord. Having advised on one major project there, she has travelled in Quebec’s north. This put her in contact with Chinese investors, Swiss engineers, plus multiple Canadian and Quebec officials. Because the Plan Nord is so crucial in this election, no other players were willing to even discuss the Plan outside official parameters. Since the Plan will change Quebec so radically, the Bulletin d’Aylmer presents here excerpts from our interview with this consultant, who would only speak nonymously. Consultant: “Several months ago I witnessed first hand the rise of China as a power – I mean in Northern Quebec. As part of my tasks, I interviewed the top stakeholders of a Chinese-owned Québec resource company. I flew to the North and saw some of the development, first-hand. Canadians at the site, who have worked on dozens of resource projects around Canada and worldwide, told me they have never seen a project go ahead so quickly. I feel legally obliged to keep the company’s name private, but I also feel morally obliged to share what I discovered with my fellow Québecois. . . . “The Chinese are planning to build an international shipping port at the very north of Quebec, from which they’ll export our resources directly to Europe and Asia, much of it through the Northwest Passage. This new shipping route was previously closed due to ice, but is opening more every year, thanks to increased Arctic melting. The Arctic route will cut days off shipping routes, saving billions in shipping costs – so global warming apparently is beneficial to some agendas.” Bulletin d’Aylmer: Why is this alarming? Opening the Passage for traffic has been a goal. Consultant: “It’s all in the details. For example, during Mr. Charest’s Plan Nord campaign this past winter in Toronto’s Chinese community, the premier was asked about competing nations’ claims in the Arctic, since Quebec’s huge coastline means it also has major underwater resources. Mr Charest actually alluded to having Chinese military support to help protect Canada’s borders in the Arctic. I was dumbfounded, and surprised that no media picked up on these remarkable comments.” Bulletin: What about on Quebec’s territory? Are there problems? Consultant: “It’s not difficult to discover that Chinese ‘researchers’ are active all across northern Quebec. They don’t wear uniforms. There are firms from India up there, too. There’s a gold-rush mentality, but dampened down so as not to alarm the public, especially the people living in the north, including First Nations peoples. . . . “While each of these is disturbing enough, what most Quebeckers don’t realize is how soon our province will change if the Plan Nord goes ahead. I saw but one of dozens of projects in the works, many of which are massively larger than this first one.” Bulletin: Isn’t this the investment Canada seeks? Consultant: “Look at the details. Every one of those projects faces the same big problem. Indigenous cooperation? Nope, foreign investors have hundreds of millions in their ‘corruption budgets’, as they call it – and, I was told frankly, the indigenous leaders are only slightly harder to buy off than most politicians. That’s their approach to that problem.” Bulletin: Native agreements aren’t the only issue? Consultant: “ Look, the biggest hurdle these investors face is a lack of educated and skilled workers. We have plenty of manual labour, but Québec simply doesn’t have the high-skilled human resources needed for all the Plan Nord projects soon to come to fruition.” Bulletin: But isn’t that what we want – more jobs? Consultant: “We can’t fill the good jobs. They won’t wait for us. They can fill them. The majority of the Plan Nord projects are owned or funded by China and India – both have no shortage of skilled workers. So whether we like it or not, if Plan Nord goes ahead, prepare to see an influx of immigrants like Québec has never seen before. Whether the politicians will deny this is irrelevant; these projects are going ahead and the question remains: Where will these skilled workers come from? “ If we knew of all the projects, we’d see how big the scale is. We aren’t even talking yet about the biggest iron stake in the world, zinc, nickel, copper, gold, uranium, natural gas, even coal is being looked at.” Note: This story is far from complete. Our sole source here is credible, but with everyone else refusing to speak of or dismissing these problems, the Plan Nord clearly needs a full airing. The provincial election is the time for this public discussion, but it is unlikely to take place in a detailed and hard-nosed way, given what we’ve heard from provincial officials. The investors have no interest in publicity. How our readers interpret this information is their choice, but it is necessary they know what is under discussion in influential circles. The Bulletin publisher [ www.bulletinaylmer.com ] Dont know how trustworthy the source is, but its an interesting read nonetheless |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 3:51pm |
| Coolness: 30790 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
A little article I found about Le plan nard. Mr Charest actually alluded to having Chinese military support to help protect Canada’s borders in the Arctic. I was dumbfounded, and surprised that no media picked up on these remarkable comments.” I need a quote to believe that this is anything but dementia. If this was actually true, I would have a lot less trouble swallowing the rest of the article, that's just a little too anonymous and not naming sources or targets... Looks suspicious to me. But interesting nonetheless. I wouldn't be THAT surprised if every word was true. Update » BonusBeats wrote on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 3:53pm I have a HAAARRRRRD TIMMME with the ''Charest speaks about Chinese military support'' part. A very hard time. Update » BonusBeats wrote on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 3:56pm And no media picking up on such a huge statement while the support for the government was at what, 32%?
It definitely needs a proper source. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Sep 10, 2012 @ 11:02pm |
| Coolness: 106065 | Perhaps if any media was actually present, they where sympathetic to the cause of the Liberal's. I'm guessing the Chinese community in Toronto would not feel as threatened by the idea of having massive Chinese investment, involvement and immigration in Quebec.
// Maybe free University for strategically needed professions would be a good thing to implement. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Tue Sep 11, 2012 @ 9:09am |
| Coolness: 30790 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Perhaps if any media was actually present, they where sympathetic to the cause of the Liberal's. I'm guessing the Chinese community in Toronto would not feel as threatened by the idea of having massive Chinese investment, involvement and immigration in Quebec. // I'm pretty sure they would be quite happy about it and that the Chinese government watches or was watchung more or less closely if it could make it happen. I mean, they were the one getting the big slice of the Plan Nord cake. No, what I think is incoherent is the fact that Jean Charest would have alluded to Chinese military support in the case of conflict over who owns the Arctic. I think it is a fabrication for a few reasons that I'll expose. If this part is fabricated, it puts the whole thing (article) into the "Is it disinformation or not?" zone. Maybe it's just a twitch that I kept from my university time, but usually when one apple is rotten, appears rotten or cannot prove that it doesn't have a worm inside, you should just discard the whole apple tree until solid proof is established. If you don't you might spread disinformation (and also get low grades for using unverified info). So, why do I think the ''Jean Charest speaks about military support'' part is fabricated? JEAN CHAREST IS NEVER CAUGHT WITH HIS PANTS DOWN - Jean Charest is a really resilient political beast who lost only one election (as far as I know). He did not do that by going around making incredibly explosive claims like that "China would military enforce Canada's presence in the Arctic" statement. Jean Charest always sticks to the message. He lies, but in a way that you can never prove him wrong in a debate. His technique of not answering questions is quite annoying, yet it saved the Liberals from disaster many times (last week being a perfect example). I doubt he suddenly went crazy and made a politically explosive statement like that all of a sudden. It needs another valid source because as far as I know that article was the only thing available to support its own claim. That does not look good for the overall credibility of it. ALSO, GEOPOLITICS HAVE MECHANISMS AND THAT CLAIM DOESN'T QUITE FIT IN THEM If China ever wanted to express its desire to give military support to Canada, firt of all it would deal with the prime minister and Defense Ministry -federal level. They would speak to Stephen Harper about it, not Jean Charest. And they would have to go around NATO, which is an occidental defense organisation that Canada is already a part of anf that's already commited to enforcing Canada's frontiers. Russia and China are not members, as you can easily find out here. They're not exactly ''the enemy'' but kinda. [ www.nato.int ] So, I wonder how Jean Charest could make such a statement, that would be the equivalent of Quebec choosing China over NATO in a country that's a full-time, active member of NATO without even being noticed by anyone but the person writing this article. It really needs validation. I'm pretty sure it's not a complete disinformation article and some of the points it makes might be valid but I'm also pretty sure it's also a scarecrow article in some regards. There are other points that can be made, but this post is already very long, so those should do. Update » BonusBeats wrote on Tue Sep 11, 2012 @ 9:15am Actually, I'm not even sure that NATO regulations would permit direct military talks between a member and non-member country. Otherwise, what would be the point of NATO's very existence? Update » BonusBeats wrote on Tue Sep 11, 2012 @ 9:21am Don't want to be a pain in the ass with the whole thing, but I feel like it's important to have the radar on when it comes to stuff like this. Update » BonusBeats wrote on Tue Sep 11, 2012 @ 1:42pm I double-checked my facts. Jean Charest lost 2 elections. One last week and one in 1998 against Lucien Bouchard (can't blame Charest for that one as Lulu was sooooo hype back then) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Samwise replied on Tue Sep 11, 2012 @ 4:19pm |
 Coolness: 132975 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
That was just one example. Most every forum I've posted on, all the IRC chatrooms I've been in since the mid 90s; telling people you're Canadian, they love you. Tell them you're from Quebec and immediately they distrust you or start talking shit about you. would you really trust anybody from the Net? :P Originally Posted By nathan
I just tell people I'm from Montreal, and get nothin' but love ;) Same here, hehe... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Sep 11, 2012 @ 9:13pm |
| Coolness: 106065 | "So, I wonder how Jean Charest could make such a statement" -BonusBeats
Charest was known to have quite a sense of humor... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Thu Sep 13, 2012 @ 9:18am |
| Coolness: 30790 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
"So, I wonder how Jean Charest could make such a statement" -BonusBeats Charest was known to have quite a sense of humor... You caught me off-balance here. This might very well just have been a joke. |
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