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Modulations
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Apr 10, 2010 @ 5:18pm |
 Coolness: 129750 | One of the best documentaries on electronic music ever made, well worth your time |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Apr 10, 2010 @ 5:47pm |
 Coolness: 106145 | Agreed |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Sat Apr 10, 2010 @ 7:02pm |
 Coolness: 76210 | i like dj funk parts |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 12:01am |
 Coolness: 145230 | i as well like the dj funk parts...
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 12:22am |
 Coolness: 86535 | ya Modulations is amazing - I had it on VHS years ago.. watched it many times when I was bored. but when it came to the origin of jungle, they got it all wrong. it begins at the start of this vid...
it starts off ok, talking about all the elements of dub and techno and breakbeats mixed together... and they play Renegade Snares remix from 1993 - cool. but aside from a few seconds at the very beginning of that video... they completely skip the golden age - 1990 -> 1994 - when jungle grew out of acid house, detroit techno, breakbeat hardcore... instead they cut to this commerical jump up anthem from 1997 by Aphrodite - who at that point was like the Tiesto of D&B - churning out weak top-40 hip hop remixes for all the bandwagon jumpers... and then they quote DB saying "...hip hop mutated into jungle...". which is complete and utter horseshit. don't get me wrong, DB is cool, but he skipped a few chapters there. and then, as if they hadn't got it confused enough, they're playing old footage of B-boys from the South Bronx, for fucks sakes... so it's an extremely misleading representation of the history. this is a jungle rave in 1993. that's how it was- period point blank -> contrast the music and the vibe in this video, with how they try to spin it in Modulations... it was rave music - not hip hop aside from that though, it's a great documentary... I'm just protective of my jungle =) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 3:17am |
| Coolness: 129750 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
and then they quote DB saying "...hip hop mutated into jungle...". which is complete and utter horseshit. don't get me wrong, DB is cool, but he skipped a few chapters there. and then, as if they hadn't got it confused enough, they're playing old footage of B-boys from the South Bronx, for fucks sakes... so it's an extremely misleading representation of the history. Actually there is a direct correlation between hip hop and dnb Db dosen't actually say that hip hop mutated into dnb, rather he explains dnb as a form of british bboy music, "We were all trying to be bboys" is the exact quote Breakbeat djing was first started by guys like KOOL HERC, AFRIKA BAMBAATAA & GRANDMASTERFLASH (the godfathers of hip hop) who would primarily loop FUNK BREAKS Early UK breakbeat (out of which dnb evolved) was based on sped up breakbeats SAMPLED from US hip hop records (ERIK B N RAKIM, PUBLIC ENEMY, UMCS are great examples) The number of riffs, breaks, samples, vocals etc from hip hop that were used in early UK breakbeat is insane. Even if you look at dnb fashion, its all bboy inspired, from the hats to the threads. Here's a good example of a classic early UK breakbeat track using hip hop samples Here Kid Unknown uses a break from an NWA record (Straight out of compton) and IceT's "I am a nightmare walking" sample ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PS To understand what a BREAKBEAT is and how different breakbeats evolve over time, the best example would be the AMEN break (one of the most used FUNK breaks in history Update » Blisss wrote on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 4:00am Oh yeah and I forgot to add
Hip hop back then was a very positive form of music, where the focus was on having a good time, racial unity, respect, etc...all the ethos that would also manifest themselves in rave scene. If you look at tracks that were big in hip hop around that time, you'll notice the tempo was faster There was then an attempt by some hip hop artists to make their music more mixable with acid house which the other major musical movement at the time. The best example being the Jungle Brothers [/video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeO3U1i3hCU[/video] This led to a genre of music called hip house, which was basically a precursor to uk breakbeat |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 5:19am |
| Coolness: 86535 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
Actually there is a direct correlation between hip hop and dnb Db dosen't actually say that hip hop mutated into dnb, rather he explains dnb as a form of british bboy music, "We were all trying to be bboys" is the exact quote agreed there is a correlation... but go to 1:37 - it's the first thing he says... "hip hop mutated into jungle because I think Britain wanted to emulate America..." and I can see his point - but it's a bit simplistic to say that jungle is mutated hip hop, is all - much more to it then that. they already had British hip hop emulating America.. MC Duke and Rebel MC for example - but they realized British hip hop was just-wanna be American and wasnt really going anywhere, so they got into rave culture and brought the breakbeats into that... (read that in some interview with 4 Hero ages ago, which I cant find right now ) so I can see what he is driving at, but to imagine someone watching that documentary who doesnt know anything about the music or culture... I think it's a misleading statement... I'll elborate on all this after I sleep Originally Posted By BLISSS
Breakbeat djing was first started by guys like KOOL HERC, AFRIKA BAMBAATAA & GRANDMASTERFLASH (the godfathers of hip hop) who would primarily loop FUNK BREAKS Early UK breakbeat (out of which dnb evolved) was based on sped up breakbeats SAMPLED from US hip hop records (ERIK B N RAKIM, PUBLIC ENEMY, UMCS are great examples) The number of riffs, breaks, samples, vocals etc from hip hop that were used in early UK breakbeat is insane. again I agree with a lot of your points here and especially the ones above on the history of breakbeat - but honestly it's late and I'm about to crash so I cant get into it now. way too much thinking and typing for me to get right now - but you makes good points ... i'll just have to wait till tomorrow to reply to em lol ez! Update » recoil wrote on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 5:33am before I go though - just a couple early tunes.. you can hear the sampled loops that you mentioned, but you can see it's really about the uplifting soulful house vibes
Manix is the alias for Marc Mac - one of the 2 guys in 4 Hero and this from Basement... once again, yes they are using sampled breakbeats from funk or hip hop records but it ain't hip hop - it's hardcore jungle techno |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 7:37am |
 Coolness: 282485 | dj funk is a fake dj :S
it's been proven that he plays mix cd's and fakes it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 10:21am |
| Coolness: 145230 | Originally Posted By HOST.WUN
dj funk is a fake dj :S it's been proven that he plays mix cd's and fakes it. really? that's terrible |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 10:32am |
| Coolness: 282485 | A solid source from Chicago too ;) I think you know her. She herself proved it by slamming into
the tables while he was playing (on purpose) and the needles skidded across yet the mix kept on ;) lol |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 12:36pm |
| Coolness: 129750 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
agreed there is a correlation... but go to 1:37 - it's the first thing he says... "hip hop mutated into jungle because I think Britain wanted to emulate America..." I think he was probably referring to british hip hop mutating into dnb as the breakbeats were progressively sped up You're right on the point that british hip hop at the time was very much an emulation of american hip hop Which is why some brits decided to do shit their own way and invent their own styles (uk breakbeat, dnb, and all the other urban sounds we've seen come out the UK, grime, 2 step, bigbeat, dubstep, etc, etc...} A better statement from Db probably would have been "At the time we were all B Boys that were heavily into American hip hop until we decided to do own thing" or something like that I'll agree his quote is a little misleading |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Sun Apr 11, 2010 @ 1:55pm |
| Coolness: 76210 | what i heard was that dj funk plays megamix records of his own tracks.... i dont care its dj funk anyway ;) |
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