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Grounds On Which It’s Okay To Bash A Promoter...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DJ_SWAT replied on Sun Jul 12, 2009 @ 10:19pm |
 Coolness: 31590 | Grounds on which it’s okay to bash a promoter...
________________________________________ Let me rephrase that. On what grounds do YOU think it is necessary to inform other artists and agencies about a faulty promoter? Is it not paying the due amount? Or a supplying a faulty set up or not supplying what was requested? Forgetting to pick you up at the airport and showing up 5 hours late? Maybe it’s simply not having a $100.00 bar tab for the artists with an unlimited supply of energy –drinks. Or maybe the promoters that barely attempt to promote their parties leaving next to no attendance? And if all is verbal agreements, or online and not contractual should all be dismissed on both parts, regardless of DJ or Promoter prevous agreements? I'm interesting in knowing what you all think... Happy discussion! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Jul 12, 2009 @ 11:05pm |
 Coolness: 129695 | I think you could probably warn other djs about some sketchiness you may have encountered
From my experience promoters are usually pretty resonable and will always try to find a solution to the problem if its discussed Going public could be risky, as the promoter will most probably try to find faults in what you do ie, "She's a drama queen", "She's problematic", "She showed 10 minutes late" etc... Also, legally verbal agreements are agreements, and having an email from the promoter stating their side of the deal is also a legal agreement although having a contract is much more official My advice: If you're not happy with your experience with a promoter, I'd say don't work with them again Update » Blisss wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2009 @ 11:11pm As for attendance, its tough to always blame the promoter as there's always a lot of factors, such as how well known you are in that city, how big the scene for your particular style of music is, how many other similar events are happening around the same time, day of the week, and in Montreal at least, the weather which places a surprisinly important role. If however you saw very little effort from the promoter to promote the event then you could have a reason to be a bit pissed. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Sun Jul 12, 2009 @ 11:27pm |
 Coolness: 83850 | I usually make judgement based on the promoters haircut personally.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Jul 12, 2009 @ 11:40pm |
 Coolness: 282430 | lmao
I say pay is #1, then it's gear. Bar tabs is bullshit, but water and energy drinks are necessary,imo. In that order. You fuck the pay up though, you're on grounds for reporting. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Jul 13, 2009 @ 1:13am |
 Coolness: 145175 | not paying your artists when you have committed to doing so is shameful... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Mon Jul 13, 2009 @ 3:54am |
 Coolness: 108780 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
My advice: If you're not happy with your experience with a promoter, I'd say don't work with them again Another advantage of a contract, including by email which is legally binding but the link to the person needs to be made (official email addresses or paper stating that such is their email), is that you bypass the court, you can just get a bailiff and have it completed. Of course you need the other actor to validate your part has been completed so make him/her sign something like a punch card. Also bashing is injury to reputation, which s/he can counter sue you, probably for more than you ask, so make sure it's on the hush hush. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry replied on Mon Jul 13, 2009 @ 4:26am |
 Coolness: 73060 | Whatever I think it just boils down to professionalism, respect and intent.
Mistakes happen. If some unfortunate event takes place that requires the promoter to dish out a lot of cash up-front, and he came to me and explained himself and the situation and talked to me about possibly paying me back in some other way (like a guaranteed booking at his next event, hell even a few bears) or later on then I wouldn't have a problem. I think the line should be drawn when a promoter starts lying or takes actions with complete disregard for the party go-ers or djs. Then there are some promoters that keep me up at night wondering how natural selection hasn't killed them off yet. I think those are the only promoters any dj should voice out against. Anyways I think any good DJ should at least be part of the scene for a little while, then stay in the scene while practicing for at least another year. That's right, if you've only been in the scene for 4-5 months, then have been mixing for 2-3 months you fucking shouldn't be playing at raves! I'd never grab a guitar, or any other instrument for that matter, and play a big show after I've only been playing for 6 months. I have a crossfader plugin for winamp that does a better job then some dj's I've heard play in front of 200-300 people. Thus any good dj should have a pretty good idea as to which promoters have respect and actually give a shit, and those who don't. As a DJ your responsible for creating your image, the promoters you chose to play for have a big impact. It works both ways, but nobody likes whiners. Think about it. /end rant |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Mon Jul 13, 2009 @ 5:37am |
 Coolness: 146300 | Originally Posted By DJ_SWAT
Maybe it’s simply not having a $100.00 bar tab for the artists with an unlimited supply of energy –drinks. LOL |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 3:53am |
 Coolness: 93470 | Originally Posted By DMTIO
Mistakes happen. If some unfortunate event takes place that requires the promoter to dish out a lot of cash up-front, and he came to me and explained himself and the situation and talked to me about possibly paying me back in some other way (like a guaranteed booking at his next event, hell even a few bears) or later on then I wouldn't have a problem. black or grizzly? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 7:02am |
 Coolness: 164775 | yeah contracts are the way to go! i think since ive started mixing i may actually signed 2-3 ! back in the days some promoters were doin contracts to protect themselves and the artists! too bad these productions dont exist anymore!
i know im gonna get flammed for this one but since this should all be legal and everything... should promoters be at least 18years old so they can actually be binded to a contract? if so wtf is happening in mtl ? eahheahea ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 9:08am |
 Coolness: 159095 | Originally Posted By APR1ZM
i know im gonna get flammed for this one but since this should all be legal and everything... should promoters be at least 18years old so they can actually be binded to a contract? if so wtf is happening in mtl ? eahheahea ! Why would you get flamed for this ? It makes perfect sense. And shady promoters are mostly responsible for the downfall of the rave scene here anyway, despite these retards denying it or pointing the finger at other promoters or partygoers (yeah, it's OUR fault you idiots kept getting busted). Promoters legal of age should also show proof they have a basic amount of money to throw a party while we're at it too. What ? Unless you're throwing a loft party, if you plan on renting a venue, it should be shown you have the cash for it PRIOR to start renting crap all over town, speculate about paying everyone exorbitant amounts of cash and such. I remember seeing promoters come up with, I shit you not, business plans (not professional ones but still) to the City, venue owners and party staff. I mean, you can't win trust with investors and people you hire more than being upfront and laying all your cards on the table for everyone to see... unless you're one of those promoters I mentioned earlier. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 9:50am |
 Coolness: 166520 | wait wait wait.. DJs get paid?
:p but seriously, one of the problems is that some of the shitty promoters only throw 1 to 3 events, so by the time ppl find out about their shittiness, it's all over already... to answer the actual question, if you're gonna bash a promoter, base it on really serious stuff, like huge discrepancies w/ the pay, and really unethical treatment, like if the guy leaves you outside in negative 20 degree weather for two hours while you were expecting a lift... but ooh, dude didn't gimme a beer! - might definitely be means for complaining, but to your friends.. i wouldn't plaster that kind of whine-age all over the 'net. that said, seeing as how we don't have Unions, or the BBB, or anyone who might set some sort of safety mechanism against con-artist,bullshit,amateur,greedy,do-it-for-all-the-wrong-reasons type promoters, if you find that a person is a really big asshole, and doesn't treat anyone right, the artists and/or the attendees, you should inform people! one thing though, remember that some parties just aren't great, sometimes you have to be forgiving if you see that the promoter put in the effort and things just didn't go his/her way- y'know, better luck next time.. but if you'd rather there wasn't a next time, for major reasons, tell your friends, spread the word. watch out crappy douche promoters, we're on to you! ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 9:58am |
| Coolness: 159095 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIE8MYBRAIN
one thing though, remember that some parties just aren't great, sometimes you have to be forgiving if you see that the promoter put in the effort and things just didn't go his/her way- y'know, better luck next time I much prefer not being paid while everyone keeps talking about how awesome the party was, how insane the deco was and the extent the promoter went to to satisfy the crowd (you know promoters, the people you're supposedly doing it for, who actually PAY YOU MONEY to enter your event) than not being paid by a promoter who's party sports one half-working strobe light, 3 condemned bathroom stalls out of 5 PRE-party, crappy coat check (should I say, piling coats up in a corner), security confiscating water bottles and reselling them to you for 6$ inside and him telling me he didn't break even while I'm eying the other promoter counting cash in the distance behind him. That last part happened way too many times unfortunately. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 10:11am |
| Coolness: 166520 | that's kinda what i'm talkin' about, if the promoter puts in an obvious effort, paid or not / super-fun or not, it's usually well worth it.. compared to promoters whose fuck ups are intentional or due to them just not giving a fuck.. or due to complete incompetence.. or greed.
but yeah: Originally Posted By V2-1
That last part happened way too many times unfortunately. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 10:20am |
 Coolness: 86480 | Originally Posted By V2-1
and him telling me he didn't break even while I'm eying the other promoter counting cash in the distance behind him. That last part happened way too many times unfortunately. damn. over the years, I've played jams back in Toronto that for whatever reason had terrible turnout, and huge expenses. this one for instance from 2004 -> 
the guy worked hard at promoting it, had a good track record for throwing jams, did everything right. he was super excited at bringing this guy Mason in, and thought the party would be rammed. but when the night came, for some reason, the turnout was really low. so forget about breaking even, the guy lost a lot of cash, and was pretty bummed out. so I cut him slack and let him pay me whenever he thought he could, which he did. he was always good to me and used to book me when I was first starting out, so it goes both ways. but damn man. if a promoter tells me they aren't gonna pay me because "they didn't break even", and I see some guy counting a wad of cash in the background, I would be vexxed. that's just fraud. That's why, from experience, I've learned it's good to roll into a strange gig with a crew. If you have a couple loyal people backing you up (the tougher the better), these sketchbags will think twice before trying to pull any bullshit like that |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 10:58am |
 Coolness: 87550 | Well, it's still possible to count a wad of cash without breaking even. If an event costs you 10000$ and you end up getting like 7000$ and you count it, you're still counting a wad of cash, but not breaking even. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 11:43am |
| Coolness: 86480 | Originally Posted By OMNI
Well, it's still possible to count a wad of cash without breaking even. If an event costs you 10000$ and you end up getting like 7000$ and you count it, you're still counting a wad of cash, but not breaking even. :) ha. very true. I guess it depends on case-by-case. there's a big difference between a good person who has a bad night and winds up in the hole, and a greedy person who tries to weasel out of sharing the cash they made as for me, I would never play myself like that. If I don't have the cash upfront to do an event, I don't throw it. any other way is basically gambling. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 12:19pm |
| Coolness: 159095 | Originally Posted By OMNI
Well, it's still possible to count a wad of cash without breaking even. If an event costs you 10000$ and you end up getting like 7000$ and you count it, you're still counting a wad of cash, but not breaking even. :) Perhaps. But when the same promoters throw an event a month and a half later, you kinda figure they didn't quite exactly LOSE money the last time around. Heh. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 12:29pm |
 Coolness: 68280 | from my experience get everything in writing and get paid before u start of half your payment then after the rest! My problem was i was too nice oh don't worry "i love to spin" once, twice three times...After that i opened my eyes man my spinning cost money Music transport and so on!!!
All i ask is a bit of respect, u seeked me out so it is up to u follow up on your word to make sure i get paid one way or another....Even if it is 10$ a week or some realize that without artists behind the decks spinning u have no party so show some respect. Weather is be vinyl, cd, pc, whatever!!!! I deserve the same respect your party does....My 2 cents! Update » Turtle wrote on Tue Jul 14, 2009 @ 12:32pm Publically bashing a promoter in my view not cool but if another dj was to ask u to play at this promoter's party tell him/her your experience and let them decide! I would even talk to the promoter and say what's on your mind and that if any other dj was to come forth and ask u what they think u tell them and tell the promoter that. As well tell him/her how much they suck by doing this to [ u.....Ca ] u provided a service and this is what happens! |
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