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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 11:30am |
 Coolness: 131655 | in response to the digital act and torrents, ppl have become aware and made an professional appoach to this:
[ www.discogs.com ] Digital Vomit / labels (D) Profile: An electronic music collective. All creative decisions and release funding is done by the group at large and not specific individuals. The aim of Digital Vomit is to be completely open and democratic, allowing for all individuals to participate and contribute, and for the "label" to become completely self-sustaining without any real financial risk or burden for anyone. Although the concept sounds very hippy-ish, most of the DigiVom members are actually degenerate misanthropes. [ www.digitalvomit.com ] [ www.digitalvomit.com ] [ www.myspace.com ] Update » cutterhead wrote on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 11:33am XD degenerate misanthropes i can relate to that ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 2:24pm |
 Coolness: 221825 | umm, i think it's a joke put together with intent to bash label's that take this road.
When i wanted to do simular with my label, i got flak from a few artists whom thought that "there work is worth more than free". it's great for getting music to the people but it can depreshiate value of other artists who put hours and hours into there work. i guess it would be simular to a bunch of painters just giving away there paintings on the street. i'm very indifferent ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 2:26pm |
 Coolness: 76770 | Wow, this sounds exactly like my kind of label! Like the name, like the misanthropy, wow. Awesome. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 2:39pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | Originally Posted By CLOWN
umm, i think it's a joke put together with intent to bash label's that take this road. When i wanted to do simular with my label, i got flak from a few artists whom thought that "there work is worth more than free". it's great for getting music to the people but it can depreshiate value of other artists who put hours and hours into there work. i guess it would be simular to a bunch of painters just giving away there paintings on the street. i'm very indifferent ! why is that ? you copyright protect the rendered format in witch the product is marketed. the format is flawd from concept, and my opinion is if you push music sales like drug, your not in the right buisness and probably owes your pusher/encourage him a little too much. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you never got the point on undersanding that better have people listen to your stuff, than not, you get much more exposure, and if the product is truly good it will walk the ages, if its a quick cum shot , then you deserve getting forgotten. if ppl like they will buy or donate. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 2:42pm |
| Coolness: 221825 | well, with a name like "digital Vomit" !!??!! it just came accross as sketchy, then with the "most of the DigiVom members are actually degenerate misanthropes." .. i dunno, sound's like an indirect joke to me.
and i do understand the concept behind a collective label as such. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 3:12pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | okay if i post a link will you look at it before assuming stuff up,
creative commons: [ en.wikipedia.org ] Criticism In 2005 David Berry and Giles Moss wrote that "questions remain about the Creative Commons project’s aims and intentions and the vision of free culture that it offers. These questions become all the more significant as the Creative Commons develops into a more influential and voluble “representative” and public face for libre culture."[10] Commentators have questioned the role that Creative Commons plays as an unconcerned corporate filter: "When one examines closely just exactly what sort of 'freedom' is ultimately to be had within these licenses, one is quick to discover that they are primarily set up as tools meant to feed directly into corporate co-option."[11] Matteo Pasquinelli (2008) describes two fronts of criticism: "those who claim the institution of a real commonality against Creative Commons restrictions (non-commercial, share-alike, etc.) and those who point out Creative Commons complicity with global capitalism". Pasquinelli specifically criticises Creative Commons for not establishing "productive commons".[12] Critics have also argued that Creative Commons worsens license proliferation, by providing multiple licenses that are incompatible. Most notably 'attribution-sharealike' and 'attribution-noncommercial-sharealike' are incompatible, meaning that works under these licenses cannot be combined in a derivative work without obtaining permission from the license-holder.[13][14] Dvorak argues that Creative Commons licenses are "not needed" and take away "user rights". Pro-copyright commentators from within the content industry argue either that Creative Commons is not useful, or that it undermines copyright.[15] and what do you know where debating the same here, they are two side here. you saying that giving out / sharing is a prob. the next step in marketing is that ppl too restricted wont even care, so youll either give out a demo for them to preview or a 15 sec to listen to. but then you contradict yourself if you act as such since the preview too should be cashed , even worse it butcher the artist work on the account of money. maybe you compose a lot , a to you samples are copyrightable, but they cant. if they would everything would be, on top you would be preventing other ppl who had the idea a the same time. you have to give out a finished product. and then you deceide either your just marketing cds out of your house or want to get to the public and do apearances. how can you go out and get a puiblic if they have to pay before they buy, they wont get fooled. the 80s had tapes, metallica can say whatever they want on copy, its what put them on the map. havin not being able to get tapes from bootleg they wouldnt have being known, not all stores wanted their disk so how could you get to em. ? how did they exported ? BOOTLEG one kid somewhere then decided they, ppl around here likes , lets call their fan club, have em around, get originals , and gess what. ppl bought them, and went to the shows. im surprise someone with experience like you doesnt knows that clown |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 4:29pm |
| Coolness: 76770 | Originally Posted By CLOWN
well, with a name like "digital Vomit" !!??!! it just came accross as sketchy, then with the "most of the DigiVom members are actually degenerate misanthropes." .. i dunno, sound's like an indirect joke to me. and i do understand the concept behind a collective label as such. I dunno, I would bet it's a lot of breakcore artists with a name like that, figures you wouldn't understand, it doesn't have a name like "Shakti's Yoni" or "Cosmic Anal Moksha" or "Psychedelichai" or some utter spaced-out psy gayness like that. Oh and yes, I'm sure that you can make a lot of money distro'ing through a label like that. I would imagine every free party crew in Europe would be down for booking people pushing that sort of bitterly cynical joke. Same reason why I throw parties under the name "The Miasma". |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Nov 7, 2008 @ 4:42pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | yea they are people with the longest track name in the industry , total breakcore
giving stuff for free on the net you can get attention of 200 Millons ppl in 2 weeks varying on channel chosen. ask a cent for every of them , you get the money you wanted in two weeks, or be very cool and just ask for donation , you bound to get least 0.0001% still make you 100K ppl anal about charging right away dont understand that :C Update » cutterhead wrote on Sun Nov 9, 2008 @ 2:56am Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in D:\Websites\rave.ca\website\include\functions\rw_code.php on line 103 Warning: strpos(): Offset not contained in string in D:\Websites\rave.ca\website\include\functions\rw_code.php on line 90 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Sun Nov 9, 2008 @ 9:46pm |
| Coolness: 76770 | It's more complex than that though, it's more like "you choose to make your money in a way that totally avoids having to use our methods of distribution and we're pissed off that nobody is buying these shitty Celine Dion CDs anymore while we engineered this system to convince people it's number 1 when pretty much everyone has panned it, and due to our international stranglehold on music stores, nobody has a choice unless they use your scary anarchist MP3 downloading method, and we can't have any subversives taking away the cash we used to bleed out of our hard-working drug-addicted flavours of the month by starting up new genres and subdivisions that we have nowhere near the business sense or knowledge to understand how to market effectively".
Copy taping is killing music! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Nov 9, 2008 @ 10:10pm |
 Coolness: 201285 | I spent thousands on computers and music gear
and I'm going to make a ton of great music and put it out for free and put everyone out of business Guess what I do it for the love not for the money Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Sun Nov 9, 2008 @ 10:24pm I'll start by choosing a genre I don't like.. like a boring trance/house one, and make a ton of music under different names and completely saturate the genre with free music until it dies |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 12:02pm |
| Coolness: 221825 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
okay if i post a link will you look at it before assuming stuff up, creative commons: [ en.wikipedia.org ] Criticism In 2005 David Berry and Giles Moss wrote that "questions remain about the Creative Commons project’s aims and intentions and the vision of free culture that it offers. These questions become all the more significant as the Creative Commons develops into a more influential and voluble “representative” and public face for libre culture."[10] Commentators have questioned the role that Creative Commons plays as an unconcerned corporate filter: "When one examines closely just exactly what sort of 'freedom' is ultimately to be had within these licenses, one is quick to discover that they are primarily set up as tools meant to feed directly into corporate co-option."[11] Matteo Pasquinelli (2008) describes two fronts of criticism: "those who claim the institution of a real commonality against Creative Commons restrictions (non-commercial, share-alike, etc.) and those who point out Creative Commons complicity with global capitalism". Pasquinelli specifically criticises Creative Commons for not establishing "productive commons".[12] Critics have also argued that Creative Commons worsens license proliferation, by providing multiple licenses that are incompatible. Most notably 'attribution-sharealike' and 'attribution-noncommercial-sharealike' are incompatible, meaning that works under these licenses cannot be combined in a derivative work without obtaining permission from the license-holder.[13][14] Dvorak argues that Creative Commons licenses are "not needed" and take away "user rights". Pro-copyright commentators from within the content industry argue either that Creative Commons is not useful, or that it undermines copyright.[15] and what do you know where debating the same here, they are two side here. you saying that giving out / sharing is a prob. the next step in marketing is that ppl too restricted wont even care, so youll either give out a demo for them to preview or a 15 sec to listen to. but then you contradict yourself if you act as such since the preview too should be cashed , even worse it butcher the artist work on the account of money. maybe you compose a lot , a to you samples are copyrightable, but they cant. if they would everything would be, on top you would be preventing other ppl who had the idea a the same time. you have to give out a finished product. and then you deceide either your just marketing cds out of your house or want to get to the public and do apearances. how can you go out and get a puiblic if they have to pay before they buy, they wont get fooled. the 80s had tapes, metallica can say whatever they want on copy, its what put them on the map. havin not being able to get tapes from bootleg they wouldnt have being known, not all stores wanted their disk so how could you get to em. ? how did they exported ? BOOTLEG one kid somewhere then decided they, ppl around here likes , lets call their fan club, have em around, get originals , and gess what. ppl bought them, and went to the shows. im surprise someone with experience like you doesnt knows that clown seriously, it feels like your having a discussion with yourself as i didn't even say anything about my opinion's on these types of labels. i was just saying the name (digital vomit) is funny and seemed like a joke. i know of a few label's (Cosmic Anal Moksha, Psychedelichai + yom kipper) that work like this and it's great because both the label and the artist give there consent for free distribution, to get more exposure. that doesn't make copying a CD from a label that actually paid the artists and putting it on a torrent site okay. i really don't get what you are trying to prouve with your 10 page reply though. It must be my psy-gayness or something. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:40pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | 1] i tought u refered it as a joke as it doesnt exist,
2] yea im taliking to myself since you pay as much attention it seems 3] and for the 3rd time, they give it away ,they allow it , they promote torrent share. 4] try to wright "proove" correctly next time, the world doesnt revolve around you its a forum , open discussion . so what are you trying to proove by silencing me fasho, i dont like your attitude nor your tone. wtf 10 page what are you saying, r u antisocial ? im so boycotting going at your party, even if it was to support friends i just hate you trying to beat down people that have different opinion than yours. keep praying ill give you a worthfull piece of paper. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:43pm |
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WINRAR WINRAR |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:44pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | what ever buy a glasses, a brain , get the fingers off your ass and drop the reefer a bit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:44pm |
 Coolness: 158830 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
try to wright "proove" correctly next time I <3 irony :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:45pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | keep pleasing yourselves |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:48pm |
| Coolness: 158830 | Oh but I will.
For the record, it's "proof" and "to prove". How bout keeping the 'tude down, you were doing so well? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:51pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:53pm |
| Coolness: 131655 | the ego squad drops in again. . zzz boring me |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Mon Nov 10, 2008 @ 1:53pm |
| Coolness: 158830 | Alright, I gotta ask, what's with the winrar logo?
... And did you ever explain the avatar? |
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