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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Mon Aug 11, 2008 @ 3:35pm |
 Coolness: 76250 | better then my last one.
i had a question... for side chaining: is it better to duck the kick under the baseline, or vice versa? clip: [ www.divshare.com ] thanks pon |
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| Bad [-1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Mon Aug 11, 2008 @ 4:04pm |
 Coolness: 102200 | the kick under the bassline. like that everytime the kick comes in the mix, the bassline is giving "his place" in the mix (if it's the effect you want) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Mon Aug 11, 2008 @ 4:04pm |
 Coolness: 282450 | I like your snare hits, hook a brother up :) |
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Mon Aug 11, 2008 @ 4:11pm |
| Coolness: 102200 | calvaire, tout le monde veut mes tricks! :P |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Mon Aug 11, 2008 @ 7:57pm |
| Coolness: 76250 | ... this is weird. i got my base line ducking behind my kic (i tried the opposite way too).
technically, this is wrong? but it sounds better to me ?!?! [ www.divshare.com ] thanks for your help |
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| Bad [-1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Tue Aug 12, 2008 @ 1:05am |
 Coolness: 140680 | well yeah... you want the bassline to be attenuetad everytime you get a kick... I'd strongly advise against any form of compression on your kick... if you have to alter anything but the tuning on your kick... than you find another one that suits the purpose better |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Tue Aug 12, 2008 @ 1:09am |
| Coolness: 76250 | ... cool, i have no compressor on my kick. panic mode... anything else? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Tue Aug 12, 2008 @ 9:11am |
 Coolness: 83870 | layering your kick with a little sub is old hip hop technique to give your kick more punch.
totally cool. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Tue Aug 12, 2008 @ 10:24am |
| Coolness: 76250 | yes, i do that sometimes... sometimes i put a subtle reverb on my kick as well!
but are you saying my kick could use more punch? word ps: "panic mode" is a more complete version of this tune |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sat Aug 16, 2008 @ 6:01pm |
 Coolness: 34885 | What people are advising is the opposite of what you want. Ducking the kick under the bassline will drown out its all important attack and decay transients which need to cut through the mix.
Side chaining works on any pair of sonic elements which share similar frequency ranges, but have different dynamic characteristics. In most cases, one of the elements is rhythmic and is used as a trigger to the side chain compression envelope. In this case the rhythmic element (trigger) is the kick drum and the compressed element is the bassline. Every time the kick drum plays, the bassline is compressed, letting the kick cut through the mix. At extreme settings, side chain compression can add a suction/respiration quality to sounds. The threshold level determines the amount of 'breathing space', while the attack and release times of the side chain compression envelope determine how much 'breathing time' is allocated to your kick. There are many other side chain combos which work well together. Compressing percussive elements (bongos, shakers, rides etc.) with your kick and snare signal as the side chain trigger will minimize the effect of percussive release transients overlapping kick/snare attack/decay transients, resulting in more definition and space for the kick and snare and ultimately more headroom. If your sequencer allows you to use a 'dummy track' (i.e. disabling the output of an individual track) so that it simply generates a signal but is not routed to your master outs, you can have a lot more control over manipulating the suction/respiration qualities of the side chaining effect. You must consider that even with plug in delay compensation, there is an inherit delay before the side chain envelope is triggered. You can compensate by using 'dummy tracks' to generate rhythmic signals for side chain inputs, and nudging the parts on the dummy track a few ms earlier. This way you can experiment with longer attack times and really exaggerate the suction effect. Another very useful (but obvious) combo is compressing your mid-range/lead/vocal elements with your snare signal as the side chain input. I've been using this technique for several years and I still find new ways of applying it. I often end up with at least 20 or 30 side chained elements in a finished track. I tend to look at it as an auto-headroom creation tool because it's applications extend far beyond balancing kicks/sub response, and far beyond ducking (look up how a de-esser works ;). |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Sun Aug 17, 2008 @ 1:02pm |
| Coolness: 76250 | SUBTONE!
yeah, this seems to fit along better with what i hear in my own experiments with sidechairs and that. thanks man. ps: 20 to 30 sidechains... really?! |
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