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Fueling The War On Harmonic Mixing...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 1:32pm |
 Coolness: 83920 | so after the little fight we got into on harmonic mixing awhile back i decided to do some more digging and consult my buddy mana who teaches classes on harmonic mixing at his dj school (soul mechanics) and pointed me at this sick little piece of software that managed to answer most of my questions.
i downloaded it last weekend and managed to key my whole wav library in a matter of minutes. is called mixed in key [ www.mixedinkey.com ] and cost me 60$ to purchase. as simple as the software is it's totally worth every penny and it even gives you tips on how to organize your library. i'm in the process of organizing mine into play lists by key and will post some harmonic mixes to share real soon like. so ya... check it out if yer interested. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:17pm |
 Coolness: 127810 | theres a few free apps out there that will tell you the key of your tune... this app doesnt solve the fundamental bpm problem tho.
Example: A tune at 130 bpm in B at 0% on the pitch slider will not be in B anymore when its pitched up to beatmatch with a 135bpm tune thats in B at 0% on the pitch slider. So knowing the key of your tune v.s. the key of another doesnt mean shit if theyre not exactly the same bpm to begin with and from what I can tell.. this app does absolutely nothing other than simply tell you the key of your song at its current bpm... Endos method has more potential based on his first step of selecting a common bpm for all your tunes and taking the key reading from that point.. then this app could come in handy.. or any of the other free key apps available online.. but simply knowing the key of your tunes without considering bpm is utterly pointless. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:34pm |
| Coolness: 83920 | yeah... i looked all over for a free application and asked ppl on here a buncha times with no success and i actually got more flack than straight answers.
totally true about the pitch thing though and only logical... but most cdj's have key lock on em anyway and as long as you are not changing the tempo too drastically it does a pretty good job. like a lot of dj's, i personally don't have a trained ear... and even if i did... it would take me forever to figure out the key of every tune in my library. which is why i found the software to be worth the money. only time will tell how much use i'll acctually get out of it, but for now i'm enjoying the new take on things and its encouraging me to listen a little closer to what i'm playing. so i don't think it was a bad deal at all. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:39pm |
 Coolness: 153050 | ok, but lets say your track is in b a 139 bpm
and wanna get all your tracks at the same tempo. 140 bpm of the same track wont be b neither c, cause 1% of 140 bpm doesnt equal 1 step on a scale. playing with pitch makes scales being not right, as in not exactly on the good frequencies even if they stay right by ears. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:47pm |
| Coolness: 127810 | Yeah.. those keylock options are sketchy, Im not a fan. I am curious about the harmony effect send on the djm 800 mixer tho. It wont automatically correct your key but if you have a bit of an ear, from what I understand you can use it to "tune" your incoming track in cue mode which to me sounds a bit less labour intensive. Update » Br34th3 wrote on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:54pm deadfunk your right.. but once you know the key of your tune at a fixed bpm and that the two keys are harmonically compatible.. the rest doesnt matter. Its not about whether its in C or E after pitching up or down.. but that they were harmonically balanced based on a fixed bpm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:54pm |
 Coolness: 685635 | you could also do what a lot of DJs are doing these days and pre-beatmatch all your tunes at the same BPM but timestretched. Then everything works out fine. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 3:56pm |
| Coolness: 127810 | screwhead no it doesnt.. not if they werent in a harmonically compatible key to begin with.
anyways Im out.. I can see where all this is going.. peace yallz. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 4:00pm |
| Coolness: 685635 | well, yeah, that's what I meant. If you make all your tracks 140bpm ahead of time, and then use the key thing, you won't run into the problem of changing the pitch to beatmatch the tunes, and you can mix in key all you want! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Apr 15, 2008 @ 4:09pm |
| Coolness: 127810 | exactly.. man you just summed up endos entire biblically epic post in one sentence.. lol Screwhead for prez! :P
..ever thought about contacting the vatican? haha.. kinda reminds me of what George Carlin did to the ten commandments.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» spotless_mind replied on Thu Apr 17, 2008 @ 1:38am |
 Coolness: 37555 | this harmonic mixing is interesting and imma gonna check it out.....
that platinum notes thing they make looks useful tooo... takes all your tracks and batch normalizes them (supposedly eliminating clips and reducing distortion on the way). i see that they use iZotope tech... so i wonder if the izotope RX can do the same thing? apparently it can fill in gaps in audio with resynthesis... funky.. i wonder how that sounds? maybe take mp3s (which are psychoacoustically gapped for the lossy compression) and resynthesize them into wavs with this to fill em back? :/ :D Update » spotless_mind wrote on Thu Apr 17, 2008 @ 3:12am btw... here is some post from their site saying going up 6% transposes the root note of the key a semitone..
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Thu Apr 17, 2008 @ 12:49pm |
 Coolness: 221810 | Kalan, the harmony effect on the 800 is garbage.. if you use it too much i can completly delay the song.. useless if you ask me. Its too drastic !! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Thu Apr 17, 2008 @ 2:20pm |
| Coolness: 153050 | well i never had real issues about harmonics in my mixes.
and if we follow this, we wouldnt have to beatmatch, cause all tracks would be at the same bpm, and you dont have to think hich track would fin nice with which one. so saying it simply, if we use this technique, anybody can mix? and by anybody i mean even my grandmother could. whats the point? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Thu Apr 17, 2008 @ 2:43pm |
| Coolness: 127810 | deadfunk: noone said you had to re-record your tracks at a static bpm... simply take note of the key that its in at the static bpm. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Fri Apr 18, 2008 @ 8:25am |
| Coolness: 153050 | but when you change pitch it will change key, so if you dont re-record them at all the same bpm, it wont work cause you will have to play with pitches. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Fri Apr 18, 2008 @ 2:44pm |
| Coolness: 127810 | No you don't have to re-record... its all relative after the initial process. Anyway...As I said before.. I can see where this is going.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaand Im out. peace. Update » Br34th3 wrote on Fri Apr 18, 2008 @ 3:25pm deadfunk.. afterthough: I think I understand your confusion. This process isnt to correct the key of all your songs so they all mix together... Its a simple process to know which songs will fit together harmonically.. It doesnt matter afterwards that the key changes when you up-pitch because the key of the next tune will be changed in parallel relation to that key when set to the appropriate bpm.
Example: A song that is in B at 130 bpm set to 132 bpm will be in B plus a bit.. not yet C, this we understand. But another song that was initially 135 bpm but once down pitched to 130 pbm and found to be in B aswell pitched to 132 bpm like the first song.. will have the same relative uppitch as the first (B plus a bit) hence harmonic. This theory extends to all compatable harmonic keys, hence the use of the guide wheel. Anyways.. If you still dont get it there isnt much more I can do for ya.. think about it.. think think about it :P -peace |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Mon Apr 21, 2008 @ 10:51am |
| Coolness: 153050 | yeah, that mean you restrict your possible mix too much, and will end up playing the same sets over and over again =P |
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