Dubstep Or Trance?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 5:57am |
 Coolness: 129695 | If you could fast forward ten years from now...
Which of the two genres do you think will be regarded as more musically relevant (mainly in terms of innovation) for its time? Discuss... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 7:57am |
 Coolness: 145175 | they are both gay |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 9:14am |
 Coolness: 282430 | nah, trance definately takes the cake for gay. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 11:44am |
 Coolness: 248400 | i fucking hate dubstep.It's sleeping music.at least you can dance on trance |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 12:06pm |
 Coolness: 140660 | thats kinda hard to figure out at this point considering that trance is much older and more established than dubstep.... hard to compare the two. dont get me wrong though, i fucking love dubstep
we'll see in two three years i guess |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nellboy replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 12:09pm |
 Coolness: 38725 | I dunno man, I think it's an odd question. Simply because I don't think they can be compared, they're like chalk and cheese when it comes to electronic music... Personally I'd have to put dubstep a million miles ahead in terms of innovation, nothing makes me happier than listening to dubstep when I'm nicely baked... BUT I think that in 10 years time, more people are probably gonna remember trance, because I think that dubstep is and always will be a fringe scene compared to trance or techno... But really for me, trance = bleurgh, it's like the worst headfuck... sorry trance lovers, just one man's opinion... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Intoccabile replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 12:15pm |
 Coolness: 64825 | In terms of innovation ? Dubstep. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 1:36pm |
| Coolness: 282430 | In terms of funk and creativity and non commercial music, dubstep. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 2:17pm |
 Coolness: 106090 | What the difference between dub and dubstep? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 3:11pm |
| Coolness: 282430 | Dub is a form of reggae, but it's way more layed-back and simple, using drum machines and keyboard's a lot of the time. Not really using any real instruments other than guitar and bass.
For example, download : [ thepiratebay.org ] ...and you'll get the idea. Dubstep is electronically infused Dub, like a mix of Breaks, Hardstep/Two Step, Grime and Dub. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 3:29pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | Dono, every dub show i saw in the 90's and early 2000 had real musiciens... since dub spans back to the 60's (when drum machines and synths wherent invented for the mostpart)it cant realy be that. So far, what i have heard of dubstep is pretty darn similar to dub (95-2003 style) same guitar cord on the up, same electronic stylings, same sub-bass drones... same lights out big spliff atmosphere.
Is it just a new name for a new wave of dub producers? p.s. cant check the link, i'm at work. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 4:17pm |
| Coolness: 129695 | I used to manage a record store called NOIZE, mainly vinyl, back in 99...
I remember kids coming in with crates and crates of trance or techno 12"s they wanted to get rid off, thousands and thousands of records, No one wanted them, not the stores, not the people, nobody, cause so much of it was garbage for lack of a better term. On the other hand, all the more experimental and innovative stuff, from ambient to IDM, dnb and breakbeats, you could buy and sell very quickly, sometimes at a higher price than the what the record would have cost new. Even today, an original Aphex Twin "Auto Hangable Lightbulb" ep, a record which was criminally overlooked when it came out, can fetch you up to 500 pounds, while I still see millions of Tiesto records collecting dust in dollar bins. Any thoughts? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 4:47pm |
| Coolness: 282430 | Trance = Trash |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 5:12pm |
 Coolness: 76685 | Dubstep: Around 140 bpm, counted in halftime (to sound like 70 bpm somewhat). The bassline stutters and there's a reverberant snare hit on the 2 and 4. Kicks are bassy and designed to move the speakers, usually land on the 1 and 2, shake up around the 3 and 4. Hi-hats every 8th note. Monotonous, always stays in the same keys. Breakdowns consist of just cutting the drum part for a bit and making you think something big is going to hit. Then you're back to the same old boring drum loop. If this movement is supposed to leave a mark it better start using some innovation. I heard a couple of trippy loops in Benga's stuff but for the most part it was really simple. I did not leave the last dubstep show feeling challenged or inspired. And the dances are basically ripped off grime moves with a few attempts here or there at clowning. Since I have heard dubstep that somewhat defies this formula (even via Luke Envoy) I wonder why people stick to it so strictly. And is every dubstep track sampling the same synth for the bassline?
Trance: Also at 140 bpm or up, sometimes slower songs will make people put their hands up for longer. Take what was a minimalist techno track and put all sorts of shit through a lot of reverb and delay. Again, make sure the snares hit the 2 and the 4. Make sure all the sounds you use are expensive. Get as much pricey gear as possible, don't read the manual though, just use presets. Hire someone to sing the words "love" and "emotion" into a microphone - in some cases it can pay off for the girl to be on ecstasy and try to rhyme something, or for her to try to sing like a diva. That way you can get classic lines like "I feel the passion burning, fire deep inside, I feel your love, and the music is my souuuulll". Run this through delay and reverb too. Then you have to sit there and work on your cheesy arpeggio line. Take a major seventh chord if you can and get the hold function on the arpeggiator to stick. Change the chord two times. This may require some work, so if you want don't change the chord. Then you need a bassline that's actually a muted kick that repeats on 16th notes, but never changes key. Yikes they're not that different in approach. Dubstep is more interesting I find, but there is the ever-present threat of it becoming very mainstream (it already is, check last year's Mutek lineup), and of people ignoring the lack of ingenuity that rich producers can get away with because they master things well. There is a hell of a lot of variation that could be used on a) basslines, b) drumlines, and c) lead "melody" (although dubstep is non-melodic) that could be put to use. I don't understand why most dubstep is so minimalist and programmatic. Plus I hear in England that there is already a division in dubstep between people who like one rhythm and those who like the other one. We don't need A new rhythm, we need MANY new rhythms... Record shoppers are always going to prefer shit like Aphex Twin more than another dubstep record because of ingenuity. Auto Hangable Lightbulb will always be a hotter item because it was ahead of its time and influenced millions. Also those Tiesto records are sold in the millions, whereas I think Auto Hangable Lightbulb is in quite limited supply (thousands). Trends are limited, and we realize how hollow music is once the hysteria around a genre fades away. The stuff that perseveres is the music that breaks every rule and is entirely idiosyncratic. We are of course talking about what people want to dance to, and it will change again soon enough as the fickle masses settle on a new trend. This doesn't make something classic by itself. It has to still have an impact years down the road. So to save my ass somewhat - trance had potential and to a degree this potential culminated in Goa and Psy trance. Both movements are quite strong and I would argue highly innovative. I've heard a lot of new synthesized sounds in Psy for quite a long time. Unfortunately the rhythms are focused on the beats and mostly predictable, but you still get a headfuck out of it. Dubstep also has potential. Many people I know are doing great things with it and being original about it. Those who are following the rules dogmatically bore me. Those who realize its potential will gain themselves a fan in me. Please don't waste creative energy trying to sound like what you've heard. Be bolder and re-invent it yourself. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 5:23pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | In ten years from now, kids will still be comming in with crates and crates of trance, while dubstep, or whatever its called in ten years, will still appeal to a small audiance.
Btw, This isnt a jugement on the validity of either of the styles, but as it was mentioned earlyer, transe is for dancing, and that's what gives it mass appeal. Dubstep is for... getting baked and chilling, perhaps? I personaly dont see what either of the 2 styles of music have to do with each (apples and oranges?) other or why anyone would want to pit one agains the other. (if not to take a shot at one while hyping the other) Tieaso's records are worthless today (resale value wise) because a gazillion of them where pressed thus rendering them useless to collectors. Most of the fringe musical styles where backed by small labels, many of witch dont exist anymore and only pressed limited amounts of records thus creating an interesting market for collectors. And there is a BIG difference between a music lover ans a collector. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fuknose replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 7:18pm |
 Coolness: 32605 | haha LukePeril I like your acid talk :)
well as people said they are hardly comparable dance music subgenres. trance as been going for pracictally as long as techno, the big split of rave into hardcore techno and trance happened back in 92. It somehow culminated in Goa or Psy whatever you wanna call it. Again people who love this style mostly think the best records were produced circa 94 with the legendary labels like TIP or Dragonfly. Says a lot about the level of creativity here ... but then again it's a formula made for the dancefloor which doesn't leave much room for innovation. Anyway, dubstep on the other hand has taken off since only like 6 years or so. Makes me laugh the comments here thinking it's a 'small audience'thing lik e some sort of new underground graal for the 'cool' people :) It started small in the London suburb of Croydon and was simply named grime, Dizzee Rascal made it already big with his acclaimed first album. Actually I said it was named grime but a few different names were already around for it, eski beat, sublow and the likes, dubstep is the one that stayed in the end to describe grime minus the mcs (mostly). When I went to club FWD in 2002 it was already getting big and trust me the last dubstep party I went to in england was huge, it's all over the radio there and taking off worldwide nicely. Like all styles most productions apply a tried and tested formula but there's some very innovative records about, if I had my vynils here I would gladly make you listen to a few interestring things LukePeril. All this talk and no direction into my post, yeah like I said at the beginning, 2 very different beast here so a void question especially as one is considered the ultimate cheese by most and the other is considered the latest 'cool' ting by cool kids who needs a clue :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 7:18pm |
 Coolness: 76230 | tuff question
... i think in the end,trance will probably have influenced more with the development of electronic music making equipment and dubstep more on the development of musical boundries!? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 7:24pm |
| Coolness: 282430 | definately |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Sat Nov 3, 2007 @ 9:34pm |
 Coolness: 75645 | The big problem with trance is that the genre has focused almost entirely on anthems for the better part of the last 15 years. It seems that ever since cuts like L'Esperanza, Age Of Love, The Meltdown and such came out in the early 90's there's been a market for things that use the same formulas.
There have been some insanely brilliant records to come out that were considered trance at the time (I mean... before AFX started getting too crazy cuts like Polynomial C and Digeridoo were borderline entries in the category)... Back around '95/'96 there were some interesting things going on... the records that Denver McCarthy cut (as Mechanism) on IST are straight up bizarre... and the Zenith releases (on the same label) are great... but, for the most part trance kind of split along the psy/goa and anthem/progressive lines... and, from my point of view the psy/goa material had much more in common with UK hardacid/acidtechno than with what trance has become since then. It's difficult to predict where dubstep is going to go. It certainly has potential, but that doesn't really mean much. It could go off in some really fantastic directions, or producers could push it in a more commercial/mainstream direction. The scene could break up and go off in different directions... some courting the masses, and some rattling subs in ways we can scarcely imagine right now. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Sun Nov 4, 2007 @ 12:56pm |
 Coolness: 83850 | i guess it depends on what you mean by innovation...
though trance is more primitive, dubstep will probably never reach as many ppl as trance has.... mind you... i'm not really into either... i always hated those big trance party's, and you couldn't pay me to let those records take up precious shelf space. i might let a dubstep tune slip in there with some trip hop that i might listen to around the house, but if the electonic music scene was to depend on dubstep as somesort of light at the end of the tunnel... i'd probably end up being that old guy grabbing teen ass at indy rock shows or something? |
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