Vynil Vs Cd Vs Mp3
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WassUpOnEarth replied on Fri Aug 17, 2007 @ 6:19am |
 Coolness: 47930 | As far as I know, the quality of compressed music files (16 bit, 44000hz, 128kb/s) is degraded just enough to remain imperceptible from the human ear.
Is the sound of cds or vinyls really better? What do you think? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Fri Aug 17, 2007 @ 6:36am |
 Coolness: 164860 | youre almost right even tho the ears wont hear most of the lower frequencies they are still having an impact on the physical properties of the sound! so for the bass Songs it can make a differences! also sometimes mp3 fucks it up big time and u have some kind of weird noises especially on such low rate(128) but yeah if you have an mp3 that you would like to play uncompress it and reEq it a lil and it should be okay for the purpose ! but yeah mp3 are a loss compression format :D
and even tho people tend to be vinyl all the way their vinyls is used after a few play and wont give the full specs they are announcing ! so wtv :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Fri Aug 17, 2007 @ 8:19am |
 Coolness: 146385 | 44kHz is good enough ; it's the sampling frequency, which has to be at least twice the maximum original frequency, and human ears can't really perceive higher frequencies than 20kHz
16 bits is the size of the samples ; if it's mono, it's most generally enough, but you'd usually prefer stereo, so you would need 32 bits. modern 64-bit computer CPUs can handle 64-bit samples at once, but with most computers you couldn't have more than 32-bit (for high-quality mono or normal-quality stereo) 128 kb/s is the quantity of information you can have per second ; this is a kinda bad quality, although most common. I can guarantee you would hear the difference between 128 and 320 on a good sound system. But if you listen to 128kbps music, you probably won't mind the quality because it's decent enough if you don't pay attention (unless it's on a huge and loud sound system, i guess you would notice) CD quality is a little better although sampled, so there are still losses Vinyl is the best quality (45rpm, at least) because it's still analog, so there's almost no compression... the sound then only depends on the actual vinyl/plastic quality, sound recording/producing, and the equipment used to press and to play the disk. On a good and loud sound system you would tell the difference between CD and vinyl, although most CDs played in raves/clubs/bars won't hurt your ears :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Fri Aug 17, 2007 @ 8:46am |
 Coolness: 153065 | well, most of the people cant tell diference between 128 or 320 or wav, but some can, 192/224 are the smallest bitrate you should play, even tho if you mix a 128 kbps track most of the people will not hear the difference, but you should not base yourself on the bitrate, because there can be a track encoded on 192, wich will really sound good, and some in 320 that will sound like a dog's ass, for multiple reasons, the most common reason is, lets say, you get your track on a p2p, its 128, burn it on a cd,give the cd to someone, and the persone transfers it on mp3 but at 320, you will have a '320 kbps quality' mp3, but the bitrate is STILL 128...
a wav is 1411 kbps, you see that threr is a big diference even between 320 kbps, almost 5 times the quality. as for vinyl, the quality is better, but the more you play it, it degrades a little bit every time, you have to play it a lot to sound like crap, but still. the best for me is to have the original wav version of the track, because anyways, nowadays, vinyl are made out of wav files now, its really rare studio that still record in old analog system, and cant be found in techno music. you have to know that techno music requires less quality than classical music, why? because of the instrument, lets say you got a synth playing, to be vgery generous, lets say its a 32 osc synth, that means you got 32 soundwaves playing at the same time, but the wave are 'digitally perfect', compare it to a violin, only 6 strings, but its not digitally perfect, and will never sound 'EXACTLY' the same, because of the enfironement that is surounding the istrument, air, pressure, how the fingers are placed, how the strings are hit, ect... and usually you got 10+ more violins playing at the same time with a lot more instruments, so as for techno,192, 224 or 320 if the minimum you should publicly play, but listening to classic music on 320 mp3 is an insult for the music. why im refering to classical music, because its the ultimate music, and everyone should allways refer to it for any kind of music! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Aug 20, 2007 @ 9:25am |
 Coolness: 201285 | Vinyl is not better.. I have a bunch of vinyl and have the same albums on vinyl and cd.
I find Vinyl has a nicer sounding bass, because it is somewhat exaggerated and distorted, it also has less high frequency information so it sounds a bit more natural. It's also more fun, and you appreciate the albums better because they are tangible products as opposed to a disc full of bits. But the big downside is the noisefloor. For loud music vinyl is nice (electronic and loud rock), but for music with a lot of dynamics like any kind of classical, jazz, and other highly dynamic music, CDs are clearly much better. If anything, those styles would benefit from a 24-bit or higher bit rate. Also dealing with the needles, dust, scratches is a real bitch with records. and usually you got 10+ more violins playing at the same time with a lot more instruments, so as for techno,192, 224 or 320 if the minimum you should publicly play, but listening to classic music on 320 mp3 is an insult for the music.
Traditionally orchestras are recorded with only 2 microphones (left and right), so technically even if there were 1000 violins you'd be getting all that information through only 2 mics (although modern recordings and orchestra layout have changed in some cases). More violins doesn't mean you need a high bit rate necessarily, if anything I'd say that a solo instrument such as 1 acoustic guitar or 1 violin would need a higher bit rate since there will be a much higher extreme in dynamics and timbre. The ultimate format for sound quality/size is FLAC, since it is lossless compression that works at any sampling and bit rate. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 7:12am |
| Coolness: 153065 | its not about the bitrate sampling, its about the power of the sound recorded ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 9:47am |
 Coolness: 127825 | Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in D:\Websites\rave.ca\website\include\functions\rw_code.php on line 103 source: [ entertainment.howstuffworks.com ] Update » Br34th3 wrote on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 9:56am Although I can appreciate the tone of vinyl, I'll always dig an origional cd. Better yet a nice live set in 24 bit :P .. mp3's are for broke ass puddles of trampled poon slop posing as dj's. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 11:58am |
 Coolness: 282515 | excuse me? Do you even own Turntables Kalan?
I play Mp3's, I own turntables, and trust me I'm not a poser when it comes to mixing. Update » greatjob wrote on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 12:03pm YA and how do you put your tunes on a cd if they werent a computer file before hand? That's really hypocritical, and the fact that you can't use turntables to save your life just makes it funnier, so just don't go there with the insults buddy. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 2:05pm |
 Coolness: 106175 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYP
Traditionally orchestras are recorded with only 2 microphones (left and right), so technically even if there were 1000 violins you'd be getting all that information through only 2 mics (although modern recordings and orchestra layout have changed in some cases). They have indeed changed a lot, stereo pair's havent been used to record orchestras in decades. Nowadays we use anywhere from 4 to 48+ mics. There are lots of very practicle and economical reasons why peoples use mp3's but its sonic attributes are definitely not there selling point. I grew up listening to vinyls and let me just say that the first time i heard Rush's Moving Pictures on cd, i almost cried. So many new sounds i had never heard before just came creeping through the mix. By the way, the cd just turned 25 last friday. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WassUpOnEarth replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 2:57pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 3:07pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 3:45pm |
 Coolness: 221825 | Originally Posted By HOST_ONE
excuse me? Do you even own Turntables Kalan? I play Mp3's, I own turntables, and trust me I'm not a poser when it comes to mixing. I say Kallan mixing on Technics like what, 7-8 years ago ?? droppin the Ill DnB if i'm not mistaken !! either way, Alex, i think he was more reffering to people who download there mp3's freely rather than a dj who buy's and plays mp3's !! :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 5:19pm |
| Coolness: 127825 | Host: A real store bought cd or even if I burn tracks.. theyre in 16 bit .wav format.. NOT.mp3. The quality lost in mp3 is monumental.. as someone posted before.. even in 320kbs your losing over 3/4 of the origional information.. dont try and tell me that doesnt translate on the big system. I feel it in my bones every time a dj drops an mp3 let alone the ears, not to mention all the other victims on the dancefloor. The best I've heard is 320 vbr... and even then, your not getting the full impact. Mp3s are fine for pamper practise, but even to learn proper eqing.. I wouldnt advise it.
Clown.. damn straight. Update » Br34th3 wrote on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 5:35pm p.s. just re-reading Clowns post, I dont really care where the music comes from store bought, downloaded traded, homemade etc..if your gonna call yourself a dj and get up there and rock out for a massive.. respect the sound quality. I wouldnt even play out an Mp3 purchased on Beatport. I shell out the xtra buck and buy the .wav.. theres a reason its a dollar more. hows quality sound?. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 8:30pm |
| Coolness: 282515 | All the sets I've played are from mp3's and no one can tell the difference... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 10:56pm |
 Coolness: 509620 | *cough* same here *cough*
well sometimes i get wavs... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Tue Aug 21, 2007 @ 11:19pm |
| Coolness: 127825 | I'd never book a dj I knew played Mp3's ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Aug 22, 2007 @ 7:14am |
| Coolness: 153065 | ber34th3, there is only one thing,
not to mention all the other victims on the dancefloor 95% of the people cant tell the diference between 128 and wav files, your talking here about people who have a developped ear, wich usually on the sound system in a party isnt good to even reach all of the 320 kbps mp3 quality, imagine wav. its like taking a picture of the biggest rainbow, with the best camera, and display it on a 128 pixel comodore 64 screen, in part, 192, 320 or wav, it desnt change a thing, because the sound system cant support shit. but in your home stereo thats another thing ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Wed Aug 22, 2007 @ 9:27am |
 Coolness: 44610 | deadfunk is right
none of you people are actually playing on systems were you could actually tell an mp3 from a cd. In most clubs , you could play a 128 mp3 and nobody will notice. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Wed Aug 22, 2007 @ 9:41am |
| Coolness: 164860 | yeah maybe its true for DNB n HHC or HARDCORE but any slower music where the bass is more wide and has more place you will hear the difference :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Wed Aug 22, 2007 @ 1:22pm |
| Coolness: 282515 | Exactly, and Kalan, why would we book someone that only plays CD's? Tose are WAV's buddy, and DONT tell me youvve never played an mp3 out, cause that's not true. |
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