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Free Party Dj'S ?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 4:49pm
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any of you guys know some peeps that want some exposure or just play for fun, my stage just opened up some slots since we just split into a 2 stage event

??? ( ??? ) 10:00 - 11:00
??? ( ??? ) 11:00 - 12:00
??? ( ??? ) 12:00 - 1:00
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??? 7:00 - 8:00
??? 8:00 - 9:00
??? 9:00 - 10:00

any genre is fine, i want some variety in between the psytrance, cheers ! pm me or just post on here with ur sound cloud or whatnot.

this is for sept 16th
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Good [+3]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:01pm
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Oh gee, another free party that abuses the generosity and desperation of DJs.

Normally I'd jump on any opportunity to play even if it's for free, but unless it's for certain promoters like Hard-Times or NTK or at the Mountain, then no.

I'm all for the free party movement, but this is just getting ridiculous. You're interfering with professional seasoned promoters who invest in their well organized events. You're also spoiling the crowd. You should at least charge 5$ and pay your fucking artists.

At least the NTK and Hard-Times have their own crew of DJs, they don't count on others to provide the music for them.

Good luck finding enough amateurs to volunteer to do your job for you.

(blah blah blah let the drama begin)
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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Rakoon replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:08pm
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:21pm
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well i can fill up my line up right now, but a lot of people asked me to put different genre's in, and we promote fresh new talent. that's what these new promoting groups are about,

i can easily set up a rave at cafe l'inco and charge at the door, but this is summer, we want to enjoy our last days outside. there are seasoned dj's, new dj's etc that like to play for free what's wrong with that ?

yeah but how long have ntk and hardtimes been around for i have mad respect for their parties and how they throw shit down as well.

and i'm not going to charge people for an outdoor party... lol

and don't act as if i'm ruining the life of seasoned promoters cmon ffs. 90 % of party goers would take a free outdoor party over a paying indoor party in the summer, but i still put my events on days that are open to not conflict with other organizers, any smart promoter would make a paying indoor rave in winter,

we pay dj's when there's a paying event, like our upcoming lockdown and nightfall, in WINTER.

i seriously thought it was a kind gesture to offer slots up, but heyy its [ rave.ca ] people like to get mad at stupid shit. anyway i'm not adding anymore to this, let alone have an internet battle of ideals and opinions on this. to each their own.

if there's no one that wants to play and is " outraged by this abomination to the scene!" then i'll just make my stage all psy like planned. lol
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:38pm
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P-e que de mettre une contribution volontaire et séparer les profits pourrait être une bonne alternative. Ou alors se servir des profits pour offrir des goodies aux DJs qui veulent bien offrir leurs services gratuitement (bouffe du lendemain, bière, whatever).

Comme dit Kire, ça fait un bail qui sont là NTK. Hard Times aussi j'imagine, même si les boyz sont plus jeunes. Il ont probablement pas tjrs eux tous les DJs qu'ils ont en ce moment dans leurs équipes pour throw d partys avec leurs propres staff.
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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:46pm
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Originally Posted By KIRE

well i can fill up my line up right now, but a lot of people asked me to put different genre's in, and we promote fresh new talent. that's what these new promoting groups are about,

i can easily set up a rave at cafe l'inco and charge at the door, but this is summer, we want to enjoy our last days outside. there are seasoned dj's, new dj's etc that like to play for free what's wrong with that ?

...

and don't act as if i'm ruining the life of seasoned promoters cmon ffs. 90 % of party goers would take a free outdoor party over a paying indoor party in the summer, but i still put my events on days that are open to not conflict with other organizers, any smart promoter would make a paying indoor rave in winter ...


Are you fucking serious? It's getting cold and humid at night, and you justify Free parties with the weather? Gimme break, it's a pretty lame reason. Throwing parties in the winter isn't too fun anyway because it's too damn cold - lugging gear around, coat-check, ravers mushing through the slush etc. I'm pretty sure ppl have heating in their apartments for winter, and are able to go outside at anytime during the summer - they don't need a certain type of party to help them out depending on the season ...

Your events are not on days that are open to conflict? That's just a flat out lie dude. Don't know who you think you're fooling when there's a fucking calendar on this site.

So, what you're saying is: NO headliners during the summer, promoters should only charge for parties indoors (which means that you're saying the only expense for a party is the venue - wtf?), new DJs don't deserve to get paid, cover-charge depends on the season, and cheap events don't cheapen the scene.

It might work out in your head, but the real world isn't buying your bullshit reasoning. Sorry. I know you guys are acting like Free Party heroes, but a monkey trained by Hellen-Keller's corpse could throw a free event without any trouble. I feel better giving Ravers something different.

And, you can very easily accept donations for an outdoor party if you have DJs that are invited. At OCDj I gave plenty of fresh DJs an opportunity, and they got paid. Cover was only 4$, and I gave everything I made to the DJs. But, I guess we're at a point where ppl don't pay for music, so they don't need the cash to invest into buying new records and such, like we had to back in the day, so they accept being used.

Anyway, have fun keeping the scene as cheap as possible. I hope your 'fresh new DJs' are already as good as others with 10 years of experience, 'cause promoters can't afford big names anymore as more and more ppl accept 'Free' in lieu of 'quality'. I guess if you want to see talent from outside of MTL you better like Dubstep or Pop, 'cause that's all you'll get.

Watch me do a free party this winter with other crews, just to prove you wrong ;)

Thanks for you time, have a nice day.
Update » Nathan wrote on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:49pm
@ Max_x2: C'est bein cool si ils sont juste en train de commencer, mais si ils ne sont pas pret avec un crew complet, ils devraient peut-être attendre, ou simplement faire moin d'événement. Poster un truc sans avoir ton line-up complet, c'est pas pro.

Parce-qu'on dirait du monde qui veulent plus être 'cool' que du monde qui veulent aider la scène, imo.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:49pm
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and i said i wouldnt reply, if u had checked that calender 2 weeks ago it was an open weekend, the only other party on that day is in toronto.

im gonna continue this in pm

p.s you'd be surprised about the fresh talent coming into the scene ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:54pm
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Originally Posted By KIRE

and i said i wouldnt reply, if u had checked that calender 2 weeks ago it was an open weekend, the only other party on that day is in toronto.

im gonna continue this in pm

p.s you'd be surprised about the fresh talent coming into the scene ;)


Just 'cause you check the calendar for the next party, doesn't mean you did for the last one ...

ps. I'm not surprised, MTL is full of incredible talent. Doesn't mean they can all drop the kick like dudes who've been doin' it for a decade ;)

Fine. Obviously our opinions are at odds. But hey, that's rave,ca for you ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 5:58pm
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Seriously, invite friends that are willing to play. Banking on seasoned Dj's to play for free is slightly taking the piss ;) It's not 2008.
Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 6:04pm
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ZombieNathan, Kire mentionne à plusieurs reprises que ça serait une bonne facon de se faire connaître. Pour qu'un crew t'approche, faut bin que tu te donnes un peu de visibilité! Pi même si tu décides de te partir ton propre crew, t'as encore et tjrs besoin de visibilité. Personne a mis un gun sa tempe à personne pour mixer gratuitement.

Pi au dernier NTK / Hard Times, j'ai aidé les boyz à ramasser quand le party a fini. Ça veut tu dire que quelqu'un a abusé de moi pour autant? Non, je l'ai fait par reconnaissance, pi un peu pour jaser ek les boyz de NTK, que je connaissais pas pantoute avant c't'event là. Why not? Si tout le monde faisait tout seulement quand ya du cash au bout dla ligne, oublie le bénévolat, oublie l'open-source, etc.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 6:04pm
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haha true, nathan i sent you a giant wall of text sorry O.o i didnt think it would get that long. n i didnt mean seasoned dj's, i wanted new fresh talent that never got the opportunity to play and all that, but i think i'm just gonna go ahead and do the full psy stage, i just figured new dj's playing different genre's would be fun and a change of pace
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 6:05pm
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Funny how you're talking about promoting promising new talent... how about you pick your djs than? Having open spots on [ rave.ca ] is supposed to be a nice gesture? Come the fuck on! that's just being lazy... pick djs that are "new talent blah blah blah* call em' tell em you want them to play kthxbye

stop making these threads [ rave.ca ] Just fucking stop!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 6:18pm
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i already have a full psy line up, instead i was asking if anyone knew any new dj's that played different stuff, doesn't matter anymore though, shoulda just gone with my original plan of psytrance, that shit never does me wrong <3

im sure this thread is gonna light up like fire, but im done with it, thanks anyway ^^
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 6:21pm
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I'm not tripping, I just don't accept gigs like that anymore :S
Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 6:48pm
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I'll play your free party.
But my price is still $75 before I'll leave my house ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:02pm
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Originally Posted By KIRE

i already have a full psy line up, instead i was asking if anyone knew any new dj's that played different stuff, doesn't matter anymore though, shoulda just gone with my original plan of psytrance, that shit never does me wrong <3

im sure this thread is gonna light up like fire, but im done with it, thanks anyway ^^


And that's kinda bad, because some variety brings n00bs like me to like styles such as psytrance, which, let's be honest, isn't accessible music at all when you're not a hardcore raver (hardcore as in experienced). I mean... I'd never bring a non-raver friend to a psytrance event, they would never want to rave again. (Don't get me wrong, i'm not shitting on psytrance, just giving you my "new to raves" opinion)

And don't tell me you don't want/need new ravers in the movement, or imma bitchslpa you!!!
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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:20pm
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There used to be a time where everyone wanted to be a DJ. Now, 1 out of 5 ravers out there starts throwing parties and being mostly lazy about it.

Anyone that tries and tell me things haven't changed in the last 10 years in terms of throwing parties needs to lay off the K for 5 seconds.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:21pm
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Originally Posted By MAX_X2

And don't tell me you don't want/need new ravers in the movement, or imma bitchslpa you!!!


No you don't.
You ain't gonna be slappin' anyone, bitch.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:23pm
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The rave since is dieing

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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:35pm
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Originally Posted By MAX_X2

ZombieNathan, Kire mentionne à plusieurs reprises que ça serait une bonne facon de se faire connaître. Pour qu'un crew t'approche, faut bin que tu te donnes un peu de visibilité! Pi même si tu décides de te partir ton propre crew, t'as encore et tjrs besoin de visibilité. Personne a mis un gun sa tempe à personne pour mixer gratuitement.

Pi au dernier NTK / Hard Times, j'ai aidé les boyz à ramasser quand le party a fini. Ça veut tu dire que quelqu'un a abusé de moi pour autant? Non, je l'ai fait par reconnaissance, pi un peu pour jaser ek les boyz de NTK, que je connaissais pas pantoute avant c't'event là. Why not? Si tout le monde faisait tout seulement quand ya du cash au bout dla ligne, oublie le bénévolat, oublie l'open-source, etc.


Right, so the point is to fuck over other promoters in order to build your name with free parties, and then make a bunch of cash by then throwing paying events ... ridiculous.

Honestly I'm not even taking a piss at Kire so much as the other people he's associated himself with.

I give mad props to NTK and HardTimes, and what they do is not even part of THIS particular equation.

Pis parle moi pas de bénévolat dude. J'aime bien ton enthousiasme, mais le monde qui pensent que les promoteurs qui charge pour des événements font du cash sont dans le champ en tabarnak. 96% du temps on PERD de l'argent, tandis que certaines personnes qui font des événements gratuits n'investissent rien à part le gaz pour la génératrice, et le système de son déjà payé, alors quand ils vendent d'la bouffe/bière/drogue, c'est que du profit. Encore, les NTk c'est un autre histoire - le monde leur doit du travail bénévole après tout l'effort qu'eux on mis dans notre scène depuis tout ces années.
En plus, moi j'ai du monde qui sont prêt à aider gratos si il y a du cash en question ou non.

Asking for volunteer DJs is like admitting that a) you don't know who to book b) you aren't well connected c) you're disorganized and announced something before it was ready d) are going to have to pick from whoever the fuck wants to play instead of choosing based on talent.

And people can preach 'giving n00bs opportunities' all they want, but it's not only patronizing to those people, it's also insulting to all the amazing and yet underrated DJs that have been playing for years and are given no chances 'cause they aren't 'fresh' enough or popular enough 'cause they're subtle and kind individuals.

I knew I was opening a can of nasty worms by making a statement, but I don't really care anymore.

I'll teach you one lesson right now: After all your best laid plans, fucking over other people in order to get ahead, trying to build a reputation on giving shit away for free - you will never make money from the rave scene. Never. So, get the idea of being one of the cool successful promoters out of your head, 'cause right now for the first time in the history of the scene, there are too many fucking promoters! On top of which, the most respected and hardest working promoters (not including pop-techno) have sacrificed alot, and lost a ton of money and even made enemies due to jealousy.

What can I say? Life is hard.
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