He didn't necessarily say he quit, he said he's disappearing for a while. If he said he quit I wouldn't even believe him :p

The difference between the cat and Rihanna is that Rihanna can and did call the police. It might not be easy but Rihanna can find a new appartment.

When a woman is in an abusive situation, other people can TRY to help but nobody can help unless she let's them. Nobody can stand trial for her. That's not to say the choices are easy but other people can only help the situation so much.

The cat, on the other hand, depends completely and totally on the support of OTHER PEOPLE. The cat has no voice and no freedom to find a new home on his own. if the video was never posted nobody would have known at all that he was being abused. If nobody made an outcry nothing would have happened to save the cat.

It's not a question of who asked for what and how helpless you are while being beaten, or how hard it is to take a step when it's over, it's the fact there are possibilities for a woman that simply don't exist for a cat unless a large number of humans can speak for them. If no one showed concern for the cat, nothing would be done. but Rihanna would still have her trial and a new life with endless possibilities in front of her. Only other people can make that happen for a cat.

And a lot of ppl are talking about the kid and what will happen to him but I wanna know, what will happen to the cat? Not many people seem to be asking that question.

What happened to Rihanna sucks and I hope that dick face gets served but at the end of the day I think Rihanna will be just fine. She's already made the decision to get out of that. I doubt she deserved what happened and I would like to kick his ass myself in fact. For the cat.. his future situation really depends where us humans decide to place him. If we don't make a big fuss he might end up in the same situation.. he would still be in that situation if no one had.

I loved this movie. Masterpiece * 2.

I KNOW you were talking to Vegannabal.. but you weren't really saying anything. Not anything with argument value.

I could be wrong, I don't read you guys's messages religously but if so, I apologise and feel free to make a point about something.

What did you say?

He said nothingness.

The article is basically a senseless rant which ignores values it also argues with.

He's suggests that if you value one life so much as to change your diet, you should also kill yourself by not eating at all.. it just doesn't make sense with the way anyone would be thinking. You can resolve to kill as little as possible without being willing to kill yourself, I see
nothing wrong with that. You can resolve to try and be more like something without being obsessive compulsive about it. You can strive to be something within reason, without being extremist.

The people who criticize others for being a certain way without going to unreasonable lengths to be as much that way as possible.. also encourage people to go to unreasonable lengths to be as much that way as possible. Some of you bring it to recycling, in this case he's actually gone as far as death.

I understand he was angry and trying to tell vegans who feel they're better that they are not better
BUT the way to do that is certainly not by arguing your dietary habits and that's why this article only has rant value.

Personally I didn't see anything wrong with Veganible's posts as she was also just responding her opinion to the article. She made long posts about her beliefs, true, but she didn't single anyone out as a murdered and she didn't start a thread called "Everyone turn vegan or i'll hate you", she only expressed her side of the story and some people seem to have felt that she was imposing. It IS a thread about veganism/vegetarianism values so is anyone who disagrees with the article(that vegan values are hypocritical), a preacher? That's what the article is about, stay in the context people.

You can also order from Souvlaki George.

Fine with me.

The way I see it it's like pouring a bucket of water into the sea. A few words can't compare with a trauma. No matter whether you forgive him he will live with the guilt for the rest of his life. Methinks he should be encouraged to use this experience for the better and anger and hate from society is not a good form of encouragement in that direction.

I been in cars with careless drivers enough times im super lucky to be alive. I could have been killed many times. Those are people who feel immune and don't realize that accidents happens, the ones who really need to hear a lecture. I don't think you can feel immune after shit like this, after you experience the very reason these laws are in place. Maybe the reason people feel so damn immune in the first place is cause when shit does happen.. you would label the drivers bad people instead of regular people.

But bottom line.. forgiveness does not let him off the hook. Or even close.

The damage has been done.

Umm I never said any of those things. I never even said racist people shouldn't be allowed to raise their own kids.. that's really going off on a tangent there.

And I wasn't telling anyone what to do.. which is why I don't understand where you're "who are you to tell ppl what to do" statement comes from. You've obviously mistaken this for the house of commons.

I expressed that I see this as abuse, that's all. That doesn't mean I wanna take over the world and put racist people in concentration camps. Nor do I suggest changing any law at all seeing as there is very few people in the world who would name their kid Adolf hitler in the first place.

You just keep bringing down those dictators.

Exactly, it's not his choice. That's why I think it's wrong to give him a name of which he can't understand the implications when the implications are so strong. Can I name my kid Turd Face?

Who are you to tell me I can't beat and rape my children?

Besides I hate that "It's MY kid" attitude. He's his own kid,parents are there to help him grow and make sure he's safe, not to fashion him into their sick little mold. He's not a doll, he's a child.

I think Fred deserves a chance to at least become a good moderator. He made a mistake and I'm sure he has a better idea of what's expected of him now.

Why are these parents even allowed custody of their children?

That name alone is abusive, to top it off they made him look like a little girl - he looks like a princess. Hippy-nazis wtf. They obviously have little regard for their children, turning them into little versions of themselves.

Nobody contributes anything positive. I mean mixes are already a step up from what most of us contribute :p

Isn't it illegal for kids to buy cigars anyway? Why don't they just enforce carding?

That's military tactic employed by preying on the weak.

Well if they weren't contained by religion who knows what else ppl so destructive and retarded would do.

Well would you rather they live in the same appartment complex as you? Offering to "help" you with your groceries?

Serioulsy.. people like that just need to be contained :p

In their own nut house.

Everyone organising the haunted house was literally stupid and insane and inbred. They belonged in the douglas, everyone sounds smarter than them.

YES! I have, it's even worse. Most ppl who went to their haunted house thing were really offended and shocked but if I went I would havce been cackling like a mad lady the whole time.. they'd probably think I was possessed by the devil. Honestly it's too retarded to be threatening, it's just insanely mad funny shit. Every one who went thought they were f*cking stupid, it was so funny.

Lol just thinking about that movie makes me laugh. It was almost too sad too watch, I wouldn't have if the ppl I was watching with weren't so insistent.

Well I think it's sad as well. I don't think it's a reason to hate.

What?

No guys, do you thing. I was just pointing it out.

And yes, it does in a way.

In my feeble opinion.

Not necessarily.. maybe. I guess I should have said "weak" not pitiful. It's weak to pity a bunch of adolescents. Do I pity you? No.

I'm not pitying anybody.

???

The only irony is that you guys are even more pitiful for pitying the weak.

I aint playing nothing sweet heart.

You guys waste too much time on pity.

I don't mean disrespect to the artists work, it's just you can't really control people copying ideas. Copy/pasting is another story.

Well both the paintings have a different feel, if the artist was inspired he still created something new. I don't think it should be a threat to him. Especially if he finds it ugly.

I don't like the "inner eye spacey" one. Anyway neither are worth copying.

The pineapple's nicer anyway.

Well i feel lame answering after the thread's already dead but oh well, I had a couple of things to add. I apologise.



I'm not the right person to ask that question cause i was never a believer in the christian religion. Even though I know the feeling of wanting strongly to believe in some kind of heaven or nice afterlife I've always been too painfully committed to rational thinking to decide on such unknowable things. However the thought of ones friends and family being truly gone or especially the thought of them being all alone and suffering somewhere is often too much to bear. The thought of them standing outside the fabric of reality trying to get back in terrorizes me. I theorize that in order to protect themselves, their sanity and their happiness and their need to have hope, even to stay alive, belief can be like a reflex. In some cases it can be a hope, in others a belief and in others a complete mental barrier of resistance. Like Shindy said, guilt. Of course it's not the same for everybody but I can only theorize.

As for the holidays the reason these holidays coincide has mostly to do with the fact that the vatican were invaders who had trouble assimilating the pagan peoples and getting them to let go of old traditions. To make this a lot easier they made christian holidays coincide with pagan ones. This enabled them to apply new christian meanings to old pagan symbols in a way that allowed the population to stay in their comfort zone, making assimilation a lot easier. It doesn't actually defunct jesus' existence but as a non-religious person it doesn't really matter to me if he existed or not. It wouldn't make the whole story true anyway.



To this i would give laurent's answer:



And I'd add that the reason they made this is quite clear to me as well. Numerous people are making a shitload of money off of it. They wouldn't be making all that cash if they were selling the truth about what they know, then it'd just be like 1000 other documentaries that don't make a dime.

Peter Joseph didn't even have the balls to use his real name(James Coyman). All anyone seems to know about this guy is that he's also the owner of the company that released the film:

[ appsext8.dos.state.ny.us ]

Besides that he doesn't really seem to exist.

On the subject of profit:

[ www.zeitgeistfilms.com ]
[ www.zeitgeistfilms.com ]

[ www.conspiracyscience.com ]
[ zeitgeistmovieisfake.com ]

Archaya S webpage, writer of the companion guide and source for the movie:
[ truthbeknown.com ]

Also worth checking out on the subject of facts presented:
[ lippard.blogspot.com ]
[ webskeptic.wikidot.com ]

As for the Venus project I'm not sure what their affiliation with the zeitgeist creators is but it's clear that they too can profit from this relationship. Regardless of who the venus project is it's a seperate entity that doesn't lend any credibility to zeitgeist or to itself but appeals to the human heart and has the effect of making zeitgeist content seem more credible by having a nice human aim. In reality it changes nothing about the information portrayed as truth in the film.

Jacques Fresco is the founder of the venus project. Having read their "aims and proposals" they reflect everything everyone in the world wants for our society and they have no more of an implementation plan than anyone else. It looks almost like a political movement except with less things considered. I see nothing wrong with it except the ideas are nothing new and they don't seem to offer new solutions. The implementation is very unclear, full of blanks and very much left to interpretation. I have nothing in particular to say about it, it's a nice idea, that's it. It seems mostly to be most pationately aimed at aesthetics of housing, redesigning society aesthetically. To me it just looks like someone's fantasy world and idealist utopia that they want to single-handedly design. I have nothing in particular to say about this except that I have no reason to trust these people to lead our future and.. it's amazing how much a simple idea can sell. Any one of us could have come up with this future in like 5 minutes. There's nothing to it, it has no meat.

It looks like a black money hole. It's unclear what your donations to the venus project actually go towards.. they say it goes to promoting the idea but says nothing about money being used for actual implementation. They sell books and dvds, what else do they actually do? They're selling their "research centre" for a mere 500,000$. It's just some dudes design of a futuristic village. That has nothing to do with world peace. I don't need no Jetson's house.

So yeah I've wasted too much time doing research over things I already know are fake for the sake of people who keep telling me to watch it. It's quite redundant for me but I'm real tired of hearing about zeitgeist and seeing it on ppl's computers. So tempting to delete or relabel "garbage".

Pagan holidays are not some new revelation or anything.. everyone knows the solctice is always around december 25th and that it has nothing to do with jesus.

Half the stuff they say in this movie comes out of absolutely nowhere and they have NO credible sources. Not a single one. Shanaya S is probably payed by the government to lead you in the wrong direction. Absolutely 0 credibility.

Which makes us? Grey, thank you.

P.S: We're not american, there's no A in grey.

If you ask me the problem with the seperatist movement is that it focuses on superficial differences instead of common ideology. There are so many things special about our culture(whether related to language or not) that can be pointed out. If you make it about the french language ppl will ask you why you're not in france. We are different from france, show that to the world instead if you want to show our unique culture. Obviously if the only thing unique about us is french we are not unique at all. We vote very different from the rest of canada, we want our voices heard.. is that not 200% more convincing of a point then one which segregates 20% of our population? I don't believe the majority of quebec.. even you left out the english population.. will ever vote for seperation until it stops being about how much everyone else sucks. It seems for many people it's about being "not english". "Not english" is not an identity. You have one, you gotta know it for yourself.

Basdini Germany WOULD still be Germany without German because they do not define themselves solely by their language. It's certainly not the same country with the same ideology it had before wwII even though they spoke german at the time. They're united by something far greater and more meaningful than language. Do you forget that Berlin used to be divided in two? Did the two sides share the same ideology? Hells no. They know EXACTLY who they are, they dont need anyone or any one language to validate it for them. Most of them speak fairly good english and are fairly proud of that even though they bash america left and right. Not everybody is so simple minded and ignorant.

Culture is obviously influenced by language but if you ask me Montreal culture(yes it is very distinct thank you) isn't defined by french so much as it's defined by bilingualism. I don't believe there's an english person in the world who is not proud of being bilingual... that's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. What's not to be proud of? Anglos in Quebec are VERY proud of being bilingual and VERY proud of Quebec. I'm proud of quebec because I know exactly what it means to me and exactly what makes it special.. from Canada as well as France.

Quebec was surrendered to the British with the Treaty of Paris and everyone within the surrendered territories was given 18 months to emigrate should they wish and the right to freedom of worship and a french judicial system.

The french and the Huron fought the Iroquois btw.

All of this still being equally irrelevant.

I was using Rogers for a year and ravewave was never blocked. Neither was any other site. I mean things coulda changed but.. it would be very stupid from a marketing perspective.

That's my problem with Harper right there. He doesn't seem to do anything. He doesn't seem to stand up to the american gvernment at all. I remember when the liberals were in power we used to hear about all this drama between the U.S and Canadian government and within the Canadian government itself. Now we don't hear much news at all. No news isn't necessarily good news. I read in the gazette when that hurricane hit the U.S that(from a quote of an oil market analyst) the price of gas went up by 70% more in Canada then in the U.S and that it didn't make any sense to him. I'm not saying this is Harper's fault cause I don't know but you'd think that he would at least DO SOMETHING to save us from such financial injustice.

He even refused to talk to the media for a long time. Now he's talking to the media cause it's election time. The media(as evil as it may be) is still the people's only way of getting news of their government and as a prime minister I don't think he should so much as have the right to shut himself off from it. Part of the job is talking to the media, if he can't handle it I don't think he has any business as prime minister.

Don't forget this government has also made it legal to own unregistered long guns. Many people thought getting rid of the long gun registry meant making them illegal but in fact it only means you're allowed to own a long gun without registering it(I assume you still need a hunting license but still). A lot of people in Montreal were really pissed because he passed this law AFTER the Dawson shooting.. while people were compaigning for tougher gun laws not more lax gun laws. Either the wording of the media or the government itself tried to make it look like they were doing the opposite of what they were. They pretend to be all for public safety yet they make guns more legal.

They also made massive budget cuts to many aid programs. Environmental agencies saw massive budget cuts. My sister works for Ontario nature reserves and the cuts had a big effect on them. They also made budget cuts to agencies that help immigrants(how american is that?). He also had planned to outlaw federal spending in provicial jurisdictions though I'm not sure what happened with that. The fact he wants to do any of those things really outlines his priorities as prime minister. Don't get sucked in by empty campaign promises.. when the conservatives cut our taxes they reduce our social services by even more and in the end they're still making more money.

"Following the $14 billion surplus last year, the federal government collected $7.7 billion more in taxes than it spent in just the first four months of the current fiscal year, which means another unexpectedly large budget surplus."

"In 2006, the Tories announced $1 billion in cuts to social programs on the same day they revealed they had amassed a $13 billion surplus the previous fiscal year."

[ www.thestar.com ]

He insults me as a Canadian. I want a prime minister that cares about our welfare firstly and secondly one that's willing to fight when it's time to.