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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 9:29pm |
 Coolness: 509470 | will accept best offer. I bought it brand new not long ago and don't use it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 9:56pm |
 Coolness: 103245 | what do you use for live sets |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 10:26pm |
 Coolness: 685500 | Originally Posted By NEUROMYTH
what do you use for live sets Your mom. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 11:20pm |
| Coolness: 509470 | Originally Posted By NEUROMYTH
what do you use for live sets the spacebar. Mise À Jour » AlienZeD a écrit sur Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 11:24pm in all seriousness though, I have no problem pressing play when I've put 100s of hours into the creation of the live set in the first place. I don't pretend to be a 'real music' musician and let's face it, no one man could play all the instruments live anyway, nor would they sound their best if they did.
I 'could' add some cheezy effects or spend another 20 hours taking my tracks apart JUST to be able to play around with a synth or two, but I won't, 'cause I don't see the point. What matters the most to me, whether I'm playing live, performing a DJ set or organizing a party, is that the party-goers get to hear proper music in a proper environments with 0 fuck ups. Anyway, someone buy this gear from me, it's in god-damn perfect condition and selling for way less than I paid for it. for the record, I paid 300$ before tax and am willing to let it go for less than that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 11:35pm |
| Coolness: 103245 | yeah i know i just want people to know most live sets arnt real,most psy is all about the pre-made shit. I felt horrible most of the time being on stage doing nothing,like a phony. Mise À Jour » FRANKB a écrit sur Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 11:36pm if you let it go for 80$ i will take it,serious offer. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 1:57am |
 Coolness: 140595 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
I don't pretend to be a 'real music' musician and let's face it, no one man could play all the instruments live anyway, nor would they sound their best if they did. errr.... yeah well... eat your heart out... Why the fuck are all psytrance """"""live""""" artists so fucking afraid of fucking up? I'd much rather see an artist give an actual performance... use his interaction with the crowd to interact with the sound... to me thats the whole basis of electronic music performance in the first place, (djing and live and anything in between)! Being able to manipulate what's going through the PA to manipulate the people on the dance floor... what the hell are you manipulating if everything was preproduced and prepackaged? The setup doesn't have to be that complicated... I'm not saying you should play a synth with one hand while drumming with the other, playing pads with one foot and the other to loop in and out (although that would be fucking awesome) but it's sooooo fucking fun to have the actual stems of tunes to play with! There are so many possibilities of fun stuff to do with separate tracks that won't even compromise your need of perfection. There's a million and a half ways to do it... just grow some balls and find your own! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 3:11pm |
 Coolness: 106025 | Funny thing is, I've seen many awesome musicians create interesting stuff with looper and such but most of the time it ended up sounding a bit muddy, audio wise, and very seldom lasted more than one track. Besides, to really appreciate the work being executed you need some notions in sound design and a good vantage point to see the musician.
For the producer, how often are the dj booth's ever set up to accommodate a table full of machines? When is the monitoring quality ever good enough to take important mix decisions? I think each creator uses what works best for him and the crowd. Ultimately, what's important for most peoples is what comes out of the speakers. I'll give you a hundred for your controller ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 4:34pm |
 Coolness: 127675 | Interesting conversation here, many interesting points. I think it really comes down to whats important to the artist.
From my perspective at this stage, having quality releasable material is paramount. I spend hundreds of hours working on and tweaking tracks so that they may be released. Some could argue that we release tracks as promotional material for the "live" performance but at the frequency and conditions most of us perform our music is it really worth throwing down even more time to make our sets more "live" than they are already? In the live environment, I add pads, samples, cuts, loads of effects and more often than not I feel that it takes away somewhat from the original intention of the track, because if I wanted it to sound like that.. I would have produced it that way in the first place. I could spend more time making the tracks more "Live" but then again in the long run is it worth it? Lets be real, Would I play out more? probably not. Would I get paid more for my time? Probably not. Would the promoter rent me the gear I would require without literally choking, telling me to fuck off and booking someone wayy cheaper? probably not. Would the promoter pay me more if I brought and used my own gear? probably not. Would the promoter replace my damaged gear if anything happened to it at the party? probably not. Would you the consumer pay more to see me play? probably not ..And the list goes on and on... So where is the advantage? Feed my own ego running around shooting down my peers telling everyone how much better I am cuz my sets really LIVE and how every other acts are FAKE by my pseudo elitist standards? If you must rely on this comment to get bookings.. you probably should try making better music. (You know who you are) At the end of the day good music is good music and I think that's what people want to hear regardless of how its performed. If I'm wrong I whole heartedly invite any promoter to contact me about performing a 100% true live, I double dare you to pay me what its worth for me to do it. -K p.s. Mike I'll trade you my Remote Zero mk1 and $50 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 5:43pm |
 Coolness: 55930 | The only thing I have to say about live : in a live, artists must move the fuck up and actually do something out of their ass. More than a fucking DJ. It's so fucking boring to actually look at someone who do nothing but press on "next scene"+"play" with all the automations already prepared, touching nothing else.
A good example would be Jon Hopkins. His music is really prepared and he's not playings all of his melodies on a keyboard and shit BUT he moves like crazy, controlling 4 Kaoss pad at the same time + all of his other shits. (My way of moving in a gig is using wiimotes to actually change the sounds I'm playing) P.S. This controller is really cool. Someone should buy it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 7:33pm |
| Coolness: 140595 | Yeah I see what you're saying there Kalan but if your tracks are all exactly the way you want them and you were to do a """""live set"""" with nothing but one hit to the space bar... then what's the advantage you get out of playing them in ableton vs. on cds (except maybe 24-bit)?
If you use the same logic... if you find that you can get a dj mix to sound just perfect if its prepared in advance... than would sticking one cd with a one hour mix be equivalent or better than having a dj play an acctual set? The advantage isn't about satisfying elitist standards... it's about enjoying yourself and the crowd enjoying itself... I had a blast seing eskmo and sub swara live because there is a direct relation between what you see them do and what you hear... and the mix down sounded great and the music itself was amazing... There is still a way to have your mixdown done before the show... whatever you need to change to the sound on the spot is probably just specific eqing for the room you're in... You dont need a table full of stuff to do a live show... I'm not talking about a full analogue improv set with no laptop... I'm talking about having something to have some sort of control over what you're doing... one mpd-24 worked just great for me for a long time! you can get one for dirt cheap now and it fits in your backpack... about the same size a cd book! Not something I'd be to worried about bringing on a gig outside the country! At the very least, would you not agree with me that the term "live" when describing one hit to the space bar and arm flailing for the next hour is erroneous? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 8:31pm |
| Coolness: 127675 | We're definitely on the same page.
I see a lot of "live" acts do both. (space bar and or add elements into their tracks) To me it doesn't take away from the experience, I get to see the artist, possibly meet the artist, hear fresh material no dj on earth has and like you said.. often times in better quality or different states of production than if djs had it. Perhaps even on a broader scale collectivly influence the direction the music takes before its selected by a record label and released to the djs and masses. The Live environment is what the future of our music is based on. Enjoying yourself while you perform is important however subjective, some people enjoy a beer while watching the pretty ladies dance, some perfer to interact with the crowd, others like their heads buried in the more technical elements. To some its simply a testing ground used to perfect the music before its released. It's all very personal, open to interpretation and guess what? Your invited along for the ride. A lot of what we're discussing depends on what angle your being judged from aswell.. are we there to please the hardcore tribal dancers, the elitist tech snobs, the hipster socialites, the jaded, the rich, the poor, the fans who love our shit, the promoter who booked us or maybe even just a healthy mix of all these elements. All these elements affect the potential and eventual outcome of our chosen paths. I see a lot of artists doing their best and taking a lot of flak from people who more often than not don't have a full or clear perspective on the finer elements. Lets communicate.. talk to your local live act provider, ask some questions and maybe we can work this one out together. Mise À Jour » Br34th3 a écrit sur Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 8:57pm While we're on the subject, one other thing that comes to mind is the integrity of the promoters who book us. Not once in over 6 of performing "live" has a promoter inquired about my approach beforehand. I've herd all sorts of gonzo shit after the fact, but not once has anyone asked me to integrate anything specific into my performance. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 9:54pm |
| Coolness: 140595 | well... in my case, I was booked as a live act without the band, one of the times I was asked to describe my setup, the other, i worked on the live set as a collab with the promoter
most every time a new promoter inquires about risk I end up needing to detail the setup down to every wire... and understandably so considering the complexity of the rig... What strikes me though is the fact that the judgment angle is so different in psytrance... you won't get that much flak from your own scene if you openly say in a forum that your live consists of using one key on the keyboard... if you do that in... well just about any other scene, electronic music or not... that shit will not fly. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, we've all seen the "justice fail" pics, we all know that half of the pop world lip sings, even chemical brothers (well i think it was chemical brothers) were accused of having a boatload of unplugged gear and an hidden ipod plugged into the mixer... in a certain sense... thank you psytrance for not being hypocrites... but... why does the community accept it so openly? anyways... I should probably just get back to practicing mpc style drumming and work on an all improv based live instead of debating online hehe... would be a better use of everyone's time really... I guess my final statement for every electronic music performer: "Stop asking why and just try! Pushing on buttons is fun." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 10:22pm |
| Coolness: 127675 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
Pushing on buttons is fun. =) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Wed 17 Nov, 2010 @ 3:23am |
| Coolness: 509470 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
errr.... yeah well... eat your heart out... Why the fuck are all psytrance """"""live""""" artists so fucking afraid of fucking up? I'd much rather see an artist give an actual performance... use his interaction with the crowd to interact with the sound... to me thats the whole basis of electronic music performance in the first place, (djing and live and anything in between)! Being able to manipulate what's going through the PA to manipulate the people on the dance floor... what the hell are you manipulating if everything was preproduced and prepackaged? The setup doesn't have to be that complicated... I'm not saying you should play a synth with one hand while drumming with the other, playing pads with one foot and the other to loop in and out (although that would be fucking awesome) but it's sooooo fucking fun to have the actual stems of tunes to play with! There are so many possibilities of fun stuff to do with separate tracks that won't even compromise your need of perfection. There's a million and a half ways to do it... just grow some balls and find your own! not bad... but not psytrance... show me a youtube video of a psytrance dude playing live. and infected mushroom isn't psytrance. The psytrance scene considers Live to mean 'original' or 'exclusive', more than performed live i think... There's something spiritual in the 'vibe' psytrance gives off that makes it more than music almost, but you need it to be, let's say timed so well to not kill that feeling... anyway im pretty stoned so im not sure if that makes any sense... but I'm considering your offers! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Wed 17 Nov, 2010 @ 4:57pm |
| Coolness: 103245 | The best you could do in a live set to try to make it more live is to maybe have a kick sound mapped to your midi keyboard and press a key to have the kick double once in a while,( which is super gay ) you could add pads live, which is also super lame, and you def can't keyboard play the synth lines,and what the hell r u gonna try to do with the bassline in a live set? same kinda goes for dj'ing psytrance, you just match it up ,switch the bassline at the right point,slowly fade out the last track in a fancy way, then pretend you're cool by doing some little filter cuts to kill off the next 5 minutes.
Creating the relationships between sounds in a psytrance track is a long process that must be carefully done and prepared and that's a good enough reason to not try to do the sounds live, i'v seen all the psy acts in mtl who have tried to do real live sets, with drummers,and all kinds of shit,and it sucked ? i don't care if you know who i am talking about or if you are the people im talking about, fuck you. Mise À Jour » FRANKB a écrit sur Wed 17 Nov, 2010 @ 4:58pm oh and did i mention this psy scene is full of jealous peeps |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Wed 17 Nov, 2010 @ 6:16pm |
| Coolness: 106025 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
There's something spiritual in the 'vibe' psytrance gives off that makes it more than music almost, but you need it to be, let's say timed so well to not kill that feeling... I think they call it a trance. ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Wed 17 Nov, 2010 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 140595 | I don't see why you couldn't play your bassline... most psy basslines are pretty simple so it wouldn't be very hard either. You can cut up leads into serperate samples like you would a breakbeat and play it mpc style (which is great if you're not too good with a keyboard)... or have a patch for the synths you wanna play throughout the live...
you learn how to drum on pads and do the whole rythmic section and have certain pads assigned to fills you could split your tunes into buses and mix these different buses on the fly to go from one tune to another and have specific effects to the buses... the beauty of the electronic live act is you can choose what your implication is... you think playing pads is lame? no man... pressing space bar is lame Mike, 90% of the psytrance crowd think live IS live... not original material, not space bar followed by arm flailing. Only the initiated know how little implication "live" means for most artists... oh and here's a psytrance live/setup example |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Wed 17 Nov, 2010 @ 8:44pm |
| Coolness: 103245 | i know that live set i bought it a while back,and he's just playing loops and changing loops. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 2:41am |
| Coolness: 509470 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
I don't see why you couldn't play your bassline... most psy basslines are pretty simple so it wouldn't be very hard either. well i'd need to start by learning to play the bass... I'll get back to you in 10 years once I've mastered it. And dude the length of any given 1/16th note of most of my bass patterns will make a huge difference in how it sounds... How could I ever properly replicate that by playing a keyboard or a bass guitar Originally Posted By RAWALI
You can cut up leads into separate samples like you would a breakbeat and play it mpc style (which is great if you're not too good with a keyboard)... or have a patch for the synths you wanna play throughout the live... Ableton live loops are fine but what if you want it automated in more than one way... I mean, yeah sure I can try and replicate what I've previously discovered to sound good, but if I miss it, I break everyone's vibe in a split second... it's safer and will sound better if it plays out the way I know/think it'll sound best, humans just aren't as precise as machines. Originally Posted By RAWALI
you learn how to drum on pads and do the whole rythmic section and have certain pads assigned to fills you could split your tunes into buses and mix these different buses on the fly to go from one tune to another and have specific effects to the buses... or I can spend the time it'll take me to set up and practice that making a whole new track... given that I may not even get paid (hey it's psytrance!!) I'm just not willing to put that kind of effort into it. Originally Posted By RAWALI
the beauty of the electronic live act is you can choose what your implication is... you think playing pads is lame? no man... pressing space bar is lame only if you're expecting what you are describing. I don't think people going to raves or clubs really care at all what's being done up on stage but rather that the speakers destroying their ears are blasting something relatively well structured and good sounding. a good live set isn't lame if the music isn't lame... I mean, what credit do I get for spending literally hundreds of hours creating the Live in the first place? I almost feel like the Live set is a good time to sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor... not struggle with an impossible task just so that my quality can suffer from it. Originally Posted By RAWALI
Mike, 90% of the psytrance crowd think live IS live... not original material, not space bar followed by arm flailing. Only the initiated know how little implication "live" means for most artists... i respect your opinion but I strongly disagree... true live would mean there's one guy on the drums, at least one on synth, one on bass and a DJ, oh shit there's a DJ, it's not actually Live anymore is it... nobody's playing the kick drum, nobody's playing the bass, real hi hats don't sound like that, real kicks either... I just don't see the point of doing a half assed job and pretending I'm playing a live by pressing a button every now and then.... not only did it take me a shitload of time to make the tracks, but I have to design the live itself, create transitions, remix and remaster everything... for what... 80$? Originally Posted By RAWALI
oh and here's a psytrance live/setup example that video demonstrates exactly what I want to avoid... working so many extra hours to set your songs into a track that will really just degrade the music itself... there's no real flow when you're just pressing stop on one loop and start on another. and he's got his midi keyboard set up to control it all... GREAT! another 30 minutes spent setting up his equipment before his gig. and imo that's still not psytrance... and here's the kicker... mastering is all important and you can't master what hasn't been mixed, and you can't mix on the fly AND then master it before it hits the speakers... Kalan may have said something about that... im not gonna read it all again. In any case, I'm not a musician, I don't pretend to be... my music is based on years of trial and error, mostly error ;) so I'm not going to pretend that I'm 'making' the music as it's being played because that's just not true, nor would it sound good. BUT when Alien ZeD is booked for a Live set, you can be sure that I'm going to play all my own stuff and that I'm not going to let myself fuck it up by 'trying' to perform it on the fly. I AM however going to 'try' to show everyone a good time, and as Family Guy has proven, wacky inflatable arm flailing tube men are where it's at... at least I can be 4 of those words... wacky, arm flailing, man... yeah four! |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 6:35am |
 Coolness: 72995 | If you ask me, the best thing about a live is that the music he or she is playing comes 100% from the artist. Every detail down to the simplest percussion elements were of his or her choosing. That said I find you get a more complete and intricate artistic expression when listening to a live. You really get to explore someone's sound more in depth.
And let's be frank, anybody can be a dj now a days. It really takes minimal investment and time to learn how, especially with repetitive 4/4 music. Buy about 1000$ worth of gear and spend about a year practicing and your pretty good to go. You don't really even have to buy your music either. Shit I can throw a glow-stick in the air at a rave and chances are it'll hit a DJ. I'm not knocking it down, I'm sure there are djs that can spin circles around others, but from my subjective experience there really isn't much to it. Cue tracks, beatmatch, mix creatively, then repeat about 12-15 times and your good for the night. I dare anybody to say the same thing about producing a live act. It takes at least 10x more time and investment. Shit I've heard everyone who's posted here from your starts. To be honest you've all been good djs from the get go. I really haven't noticed a difference in any of your mixing abilities from the first time I've heard any of you. But holy shit has everyone who's posted in this forum production abilities improved since they started. That says something about the time and effort it takes to actually produce your own music. That said I honestly don't really care anymore as to how the live act goes about doing their live. So long as they don't fake turning nobs and stuff, that shit really gets on my nerves. You may be fooling 3/4 of the crowd, but for those of us who know how stuff works, your just making yourself look stupid. I'd rather see someone honestly just press the space bar then someone fake shit. In the end it comes down to the artist to decide how he or she wants to perform their live. Some of us are better musician's then others, some people are better technically in the studio. The point of the live is to take what your specifically good at and showcase it. Nobody should feel they have to change their way of performing in order to satisfy others. Like you may not be a good musician and have difficulty playing parts live, but you kick ass when it comes to mixing and mastering; so why should you compromise the quality of your act? My last live act basically consisted of me first adjusting eq, and compression settings for the first 1/2 of every track to compensate for the different production dates and values of the individual tracks, then the second 1/2 was spent flailing my arms around like a lunatic, cuz let's face it, it's really hard not to when 200+ people are dancing and cheering you on for something you've dedicated your life too. |
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