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| Bad [-1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sun 19 Jul, 2009 @ 6:36pm |
 Coolness: 131530 | no not that one, other part of the phpbb mechanism |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Tue 21 Jul, 2009 @ 12:08am |
 Coolness: 2603920 | [ www.rave.ca ]
You mean this file??? Anyways... I'm done with this argument... The site is open source period... |
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| Bad [-1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 3:06pm |
 Coolness: 29750 | you know that even by your own definition of what is opensource, this site is not, at the very least the database structure should be made public and user generated content should be made available for the user and user should be allowed to delete his data.
Right now it's designed It's designed so it's impossible for anyone to leave the site with their data to reuse elsewhere, the basis upon which closed standard website are built, and I couldn't find a way to delete a user account and data. btw it would nice not to reuse the "not from noah" open source definition logo so it doesn't confuse people into thinking this website is published under an open source license when it's published under a proprietary license. Mise À Jour » HumFuk a écrit sur Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 5:04pm update: though this website was made possible with those, from what you say you're probably not a supporter of open knowledge [ opendefinition.org ] open services [ opendefinition.org ] or any other open stuff, but I'd like to take on your advice and quit but it seems that quitting is a feature you forgot to implement or maybe it's hidden somewhere, anyways would you mind pointing me to the "delete my account" button?
oh and by your definition closed money is money you keep for yourself whereas open money is money you agree to show to other while keeping for yourself, I'd rather go by the "not-from-noah-and-people-who-think-alike" defintion of open money: [ www.framablog.org ] Mise À Jour » HumFuk a écrit sur Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 6:15pm update: forget I even mentioned hosting this site for free or a minimal fee, even if I wanted to, which is not the case, there's absolutely no way the team of people involved would agree to host someone with such views and abusing opensource this way.
too bad, because it wouldn't have been a problem of resources, though we might have asked you to clean and optimize your code so it meet the basic quality standards of nowadays like outputting valid html+css, respecting WAI guidelines, upgrading your externals open source tools to up-to-date version, and the kind of stuff expected from someone getting a share of shared resources. l'archouma sur toi ! took me 5 minutes to reduce my profile page from a bloated 49KB to a still too big 21KB html file just by making use of style sheets and replacing tables. obviously you could save yourself some money on bandwith and cpu resources by fixing your code and probably more if you used lighttpd in conjunction with apache. oh and your script to show source code has an encoding glitch which makes trash characters appear in the code rendering it unusable as such, also check swfobject it's been updated to 2.2 with a nice list of improvements. |
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 5:47pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | If you want to see the tables (without the structure) you can find it here: [ www.rave.ca ] and that includes bandwidth usage which goes up and down. If you would like to code in the part where people see the structure of the tables feel free to submit your code for it and I'll implement it...
If you would like to close your account your can remove most of the stuff in your profile from your settings. Since this site is mostly a forum, closing an account would mean messages disappear, but we all know when you post on a forum the messages don't do that. I have no idea where Closed Money and Open Money came from. I'm not going to open up all your quote webpages cause I can create my own. If this site made some money, I would invest in some more equipment so there can be more free events for people to go to. Or I'd buy myself a convertible with a [ www.rave.ca ] sticker on it so I could drive around advertising the site... Yeah that sounds like a good idea... The logo is there and it's not going anywhere. Sorry to say but in my opinion the site is still 'Open Source' and nothing you say will change how I think. Since when does SOURCE mean DATABASES anyways... A smart person could write some code easily to recreate all the tables with the full structure. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 7:01pm |
| Coolness: 29750 | Basically you were telling me to delete myself from your site but now you're saying this is not even remotely possible.
How can anyone be a coder and have such a website and be that clueless ? It's been a while now that this is a feature found in forum software, as an example, here's a beginner tutorial for phpbb3 [ www.awesomestyles.com ] Removing user account and personal information while optionally retaining board messages / turning them anonymous / deleting them (as this is becoming a common legal request), these features exist in pretty much all bb software I've used in the last years. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 8:43pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | This is not PHPBB... It is my code... I will code it how I like. You can put in a request on this page...
[ www.rave.ca ] Someday I might get to what you want or maybe I will Ignore it. That is up to me since I am the only one who is coding the site. If you would like to code the options you want then go for it. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 9:29pm |
| Coolness: 29750 | no way I spend time coding stuff that you will refuse to include into your site. You see, I only publish my code under an open license requiring people using it to release their code under an open license, and afaik you already said you won't do that.
I certainly won't contribute code to a project promoting values opposite to my own, ethics you know. |
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Wed 22 Jul, 2009 @ 11:39pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | No problems... Maybe you should go contribute to phpBB since you seem to like it so much... Or just contribute to nothing cause that's what most people do and it's fine also... When it gets cold again I'll start to write some new things for the site. There is quite a list of stuff to work on. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Thu 23 Jul, 2009 @ 2:43am |
| Coolness: 29750 | what is it with you quebs who seem to like to tell people to go back to the last thing they mentioned. are you all thinkalike in here, it feels like I'm talking some kind badly designed robotic hivemind recycling the worst attempt at a retort I've seen since elementary school.
*hint* I only mentioned phpBB cause it was mentioned earlier in this thread and you were saying that deleting a user account meant deleting messages and that forums don't do that coming from, I could have made a list instead of citing one you know. phorum offers an api call to delete a user account and turn all the user's messages to anonymous. also can you cut the bullshit level down a bit ? first your website was so great because it could be used without registering and now it's mostly a "must register to talk" forum, first you tell me that people who don't think like or agree with you are kindly invited to not use the site, then you ask me to contribute code for adding features to the site because you're stuck in a time when forums were bbs that you don't realize your software is getting really outdated o.0 I'm getting tired of having to use a dishonesty filter to remove all your hipocrisy, I mean you know that there's "noah's opensource license" that has legal value in court which is the only place license make any sense, you know that there's whole books to define "not-noah's" opensource and that's where the definition found on wikipedia comes from, you also know that you have no intent on actually investing any money generated by the website in equipment or else you'd have just done it by applying the method you told me you were to use to raise money with the site if so desired. try to get your things together, cause they don't add up right. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zimmermau5 a répondu le Thu 23 Jul, 2009 @ 3:36am |
 Coolness: 77295 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
I get emails like this all the time. I have to refuse to work for 99% of the people since I am already working. It's because I'm currently working that this site is around. If I was not, I'd setup some kind of 20$ star system where all users who donate 20$/year would get a little star in their profiles stating they were a donating user... I'm sure there are more then enough people who would help pay for the server costs... My work on the site is always free though. So even if you don't like how this site works, other people do... And you are of course entitled to your opinion. Hehehehe GrahamJ stylez :P LOVE IT! And dude groubj... WTF!!!!! Is this your site!? Is this your code!? Did you write it all!? NO! Give it up. Noah wrote the code and that makes him the ONLY person that can label it as Open-Source since it is his. If you don't like it go somewhere else. Those of us that appreciate that Noah keeps this site running, and support what he does for us don't want to hear you arguing about something that is not up for debate. Obviously you both have different opinions, just agree to disagree already. Remember, fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Thu 23 Jul, 2009 @ 8:21am |
 Coolness: 294910 | Originally Posted By GROUBJ
what is it with you quebs who seem to like to tell people to go back to the last thing they mentioned. What is it with stupid idiot that put every Quebecers in the same boat? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Fri 24 Jul, 2009 @ 7:33am |
 Coolness: 159055 | Originally Posted By GROUBJ
what is it with you quebs who seem to like to tell people to go back to the last thing they mentioned. are you all thinkalike in here, it feels like I'm talking some kind badly designed robotic hivemind recycling the worst attempt at a retort I've seen since elementary school. Seriously, how is one guy supposed to represent an entire province exactly ? Besides, nothing sounds more "queb" than a guy called Noah Gitelman. So Noah's a bit close-minded according to you ( some might say he likes to sticks to his own convictions and has integrity ) but somehow, blaming that on the province he lives in makes you better ? Here's a word that applies to all provinces and countries : FAIL |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 2:15pm |
| Coolness: 131530 | who the fuck is groubj ?
noah . you should say CONSUTABLE source instead of opensource. thou i dont like groubz saying your clueless , he is kinda right about source needed to be transferable. i get what your saying and code needs to be tweeken in order to work on diffent stations / setup , so leaving the user database out is kinda justify when your a webmin , but when you run open source flavoured project and whant them redistribuable , they have to at least include the basic user (ie root) in order to prove its works. kinda like a crc check. open source can be share by definition and reuse. didnt your headers included a copyright ? thats kinda proprietary right there if you ask me. maybe opt for GPL / GNU licence . then you will have me agree. in border between the two interpretation , we have to be carefull not jumping only on some of the point but the whole scene interpretation . and im talking about the coding scene , not the ravers. open source the limitation falls with the person reusing it judging if they will then include the coode in their projects or not. in closed source, some arbitrary files can by prevented from download/access/source gazing/reusing by some arbitrary dude. with reminds me the hereby webmin takes on the custom spoofing phpbb-orginial tables . my guess is if we ask 10,000 open source users , will they all say your sources are with such a (C)apital in between brakets |
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