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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Tue 26 Aug, 2008 @ 9:36pm |
 Coolness: 2603920 | Yeah I puked in the bathtub when I got home and then the morning after also! Thanks though that was awesome... Next time no mixing alk00l though for me... |
| I'm feeling nuclear right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» koubrauss a répondu le Mon 8 Sep, 2008 @ 11:24pm |
 Coolness: 41400 | Well Noah, I don't really know you... But you totally kick ass, this websites kicks ass and the rave scene kicks ass. So.. Thank You! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Thu 18 Sep, 2008 @ 1:47am |
 Coolness: 509495 | yeah! |
| I'm feeling warm and fuzzy right now.. | |
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Destructiva a répondu le Wed 24 Sep, 2008 @ 2:12am |
 Coolness: 1499350 | but the guy is rich, why is he crying? :D |
| I'm feeling extra-ordinary right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Fri 14 Nov, 2008 @ 11:02pm |
 Coolness: 131530 | id get noah a place to but his stuff behind the decks too... come on! |
| I'm feeling 4.5kw 240vrms 45a right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psilo a répondu le Sat 15 Nov, 2008 @ 3:13am |
 Coolness: 82615 | ...the guy truly done a great job!
The Scene. |
| I'm feeling the wind of change right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DiddyKong a répondu le Tue 2 Dec, 2008 @ 5:03pm |
 Coolness: 132080 | "Hey.. Let me in.... I know Noah!" |
| I'm feeling beer_and_valiums right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ILL_EAGLE a répondu le Fri 27 Feb, 2009 @ 11:15am |
 Coolness: 94370 | He should be allowed guests too. The site brings most of the people that attend the events and all for free. |
| I'm feeling like partying right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Fri 27 Feb, 2009 @ 12:54pm |
 Coolness: 152940 | i think noah should get free hookers in every party he goes to! |
| I'm feeling hardcore right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Thu 5 Mar, 2009 @ 12:59pm |
| Coolness: 131530 | we shoud give him more cowbell. |
| I'm feeling 4hz even if you dont right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Emyko a répondu le Fri 8 May, 2009 @ 3:21pm |
 Coolness: 61080 | Yeah! Noah for PREZ :D
Thanks for you doing all this for our own pleasure !!! <3 |
| I'm feeling a time of no time right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JEE3.14_agricole a répondu le Thu 21 May, 2009 @ 12:01am |
 Coolness: 107170 | Indeed he got my vote |
| I'm feeling live!!!! right now.. | |
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Wed 15 Jul, 2009 @ 1:40pm |
 Coolness: 29750 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
Please note that I pay quite a bit of money to run this unique OPEN SOURCE site *snip* Really ? This site is opensource ? Cause this doesn't look like opensource to me: "All code created by Noah Gitelman You may not use this code in your projects but you can learn from it. Please contact me if you would like to use some of this on your own webpage." Compare to opensource definition: [ opensource.org ] |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Wed 15 Jul, 2009 @ 5:08pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | My definition of open source is different then the one on that webpage...
To me Open Source is source code which is available for other people to learn with. Instead of hiding my code, I allow people to learn from it. If you would like to use the code in your own project, there is potential that I can get a job from that... so you have to contact me if you would like to use it. After all, I know the code better then anyone since I made it all. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Thu 16 Jul, 2009 @ 2:03am |
| Coolness: 29750 | I mean no offense but the link I gave was the definition which is used by the Open Source Initiative (OSI) to determine if a software license can be considered open source or not, your own definition of open source actually happens to be source-available software
Here a snippet from wikipedia: Open source vs. source-available Although the OSI definition of "open source software" is widely accepted, a small number of people and organizations use the term to refer to software where the source is available for viewing, but which may not legally be modified or redistributed. Such software is more often referred to as source-available, or as shared source, a term coined by Microsoft. [ en.wikipedia.org ] what you're talking about seems to me to be the usual sharing of code that takes place between web developers except you made it available in an unusual way with a confusing license, aas it seems open source license is not suitable for what you want to do, you may want to have a look at creative commons [ creativecommons.org ] which is the choice of a site such as [ identi.ca ] the server costs add to 240$ and you have ads on the website, have donation up and you're also trying to use the site as a way to make money for yourself. I'm not comfortable giving money to someone who's trying to take money at both ends and whose keeping the user generated content in its control by using proprietary mechanisms that only the developer knows to date because he has a strict control over redistribution. |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Thu 16 Jul, 2009 @ 6:55am |
| Coolness: 2603920 | I don't have to look anywhere. I was coding before the 'Open Source Initiative' even existed and I don't really care about quotes that someone made up about what they believe 'Open Source' means.
Although the OSI definition of "open source software" is widely accepted, a small number of people and organizations use the term to refer to software where the source is available for viewing, but which may not legally be modified or redistributed.
Here is the quote from Wikipedia which you quoted... Another media where people write their own opinions. It isn't the LAW what they say it means. I think my definition is perfect for what I believe it to be. The 'Source Code' is open to whoever wants to see it and learn by it. In my opinion the fact that the site uses a proprietary software which I wrote is perfectly fine. Why would I want to base my site upon 'word press', 'drupal' or some of those really crappy CMS softwares when I have my own which works better and faster? the server costs add to 240$ and you have ads on the website, have donation up and you're also trying to use the site as a way to make money for yourself. I'm not comfortable giving money to someone who's trying to take money at both ends and whose keeping the user generated content in its control by using proprietary mechanisms that only the developer knows to date because he has a strict control over redistribution.
I don't believe you know what you are talking about. Every month the site looses money. About 100$ a month even after the ads and donations, sometime more. I never asked you for money... so if you are not comfortable donating any that is fine by me. Other people do not have the same beliefs as you and other people don't have to quote Wikipedia articles and can make up their own mind what things mean. Break out of the circle and try not to believe everything you read on the internet or in newspapers because you won't go anywhere that way. I set the rules for the site, and if people don't like it then it's fine. I don't force people to use the site but in my opinion this site works better then any of the other ones (Facebook, Myspace, etc) and has existed for 2 to 3 times longer then those sites... The first version of [ rave.ca ] was not open source. This version is. Since 1998 it has come a long way the code. It started off with PERL, then moved to MIVA, and then moved to PHP. As for only me knowing how the code works, there are a couple of other people who really know the code well. One of which already uses a lot of it in his own project which are Russian oriented. As I stated, the code is available to learn by, and even use with permission so... I don't know where your problem is. You may not use this code in your projects but you can learn from it.
Please contact me if you would like to use some of this on your own webpage. Also if you have a problem with me getting jobs using the code I have worked on for the past 11 years then there is something wrong with the way you think. I never said people can't use the code in their own projects. I said you had to contact me if you wanted to and we can discuss it. Would you sell your scripts cause i need a social network like yours But Adult oriented and they don't accept adult or porn in there lol
I get emails like this all the time. I have to refuse to work for 99% of the people since I am already working. It's because I'm currently working that this site is around. If I was not, I'd setup some kind of 20$ star system where all users who donate 20$/year would get a little star in their profiles stating they were a donating user... I'm sure there are more then enough people who would help pay for the server costs... My work on the site is always free though. So even if you don't like how this site works, other people do... And you are of course entitled to your opinion. And just like that, I am entitled to mine... And that is that this site is 'Open Source'... [ www.rave.ca ] Right there all the files used on the site... [ www.rave.ca ] This looks like source code! Whatever the case, you should stop quoting other people so much. Remember a quote is only someone's theory and opinion. Nothing more. Especially from a Wikipedia article. As for the 'Open Source Initiative', they are also writing their opinions on what the definition means. I have my own and that is what I go by... Also remember that I don't force people to use the site. Unlike almost every other site which exists in this world, you don't need an account to do stuff on this site. If someone does not like the rules of this site, or how it works, they don't have to use it. Fact is that a lot of people still will because they like it. Fact is that this site is 'Open Source' on my definition (and not mine alone) and no quote of yours will change that. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk a répondu le Fri 17 Jul, 2009 @ 1:55pm |
| Coolness: 29750 | Yeah me too Iwas a coder even before OSI was created, but it's kind of irrelevant to the discussion, I was born before the microwave existed still I call a microwave by its name.
I guess you already know that OSI was created in order to make things more practical for open source developers and so I'm not gonna say more about this. But it seems the main difference between our ways of coding is that you don't really care while I do. I don't like wikipedia either, actually I've been banned of all wikimedia projects for pointing out that GFDL is not suited for wikipedia but CC are, and for pointing a few others cracks in the way their project works and proposed improvements and solutions, but again this is irrelevant to the discussion, ad hominem towards wikipedia doesn't make the point less valid, this has been known and widely discussed long before wikipedia became a wiki. I was talking about your code and the license you've chosen for it, I mean I agree with you I like coding my own stuff better than reuse ready-made project (I do deploy some CMS at the request of client once in a while), it allows for better performance, flexibility and is designed to fit the specific needs I can have on a specific project. what I wanted to talk about is the reason why you chose a proprietary license for your code while using the name of one of the most well known copyleft license. I mean IMHO it requires a fair amount of hypocrisy to pretends to have sharing with other as a motivation and to enforce vendor lock-in at the same time. Of course I don't know the specifics of [ rave.ca ] because theey're not disclosed anywere but I believe I know what I'm talking about, almost every website works the same way. btw I'm quite surprised that someone who's been coding for so long doesn't have enough friends in the business to be offered free hosting with unlimited bandwith or only for a minimal fee. If you're not asking for money and to give money to ebay, then please remove the "asking for donation" buttons. Actually I was not thinking of donating money but more something like offering to host [ rave.ca ] for free or a small fraction of what you are paying now if the site uses a lot of bandwith, which would remove the need for ads and donations and vendor lock-in which makes it self-evident you keep the possibility to sell the userbase at some point in the future. I'm not sure if you are really clueless about what open source really is and how open source development takes place or if you are pretending not to know, so I'm gonna try to rephrase: when I'm saying few people know the internals of the site I'm talking about vendor lock-in and not doing open source development where anyone can contribute code so has to have at least a basic understanding of how it works from reading the code. There is a very thin line between "you can't use the code for yourself" and "you can't use the code for yourself unless you have my permission", I'm not even sure this line exist in a copyright court. Seems you're thinking in terms of money and making more money, I mean your work on the website has never been free as you are the sole owner of the results: code, website, userbase and so on. this is worth more than if you were paid for coding. why not thinking in terms of reducing/optimizing the costs instead of thinking of ways to raise more money ? About not forcing users to use [ rave.ca ] may I suggest you read this article on meatball ? [ www.usemod.com ] and maybe check what vendor lock-in is. Due to the amount of logical fallacies in your statements, it's seems pointless to discuss further with you the matter of opinion and quoting and such or to point the half-truth (=full lies) in your statement. For you who seems to dislike quoting and quote for some reason, be my guest and treat yourself with those: "logon zètoumen ôn esti logos" "Si le poil est raclé, une peau de tigre ou de léopard ne se distingue pas d'une peau de chien." "l'habitus d'un agent social tend à le mettre à l'abri des crises et des remises en question, en lui assuran t un milieu auquel il est aussi pré-adapté que possible, c'est à dire un univers relativement constant et " psychiquement" confortable. Cette tendance s'exprime, de manière essentiellement inconsciente, par une séle ction des informations auxquelles s'intéresse l'agent socia, en rejetant même en cas d'exposition fortuite ou forcée, les informations capables de remettre en question son mode de vie. Cela se traduit par une sélec tion des personnes et des lieux que fréquente l'agent social, mais également des médias auxquels il s'intér ésse. Les agents sociaux "evitent les lieux, les sujets, les interlocuteurs dont ils n'ont pas une pratique familière, pour lesquels ils ne se sentent aucune affinité, etc. Ces micro-démarches spontanément orientée s sont la monnaie du maintien de l'ordre en ce sens qu'elles permettent à chacun de "rester à sa palceé, "a vec les siens", là où il risque le moins de faire des expériences douloureuses et dommageables (telles que l'expérience du démenti, de la contradiction, bref de la remise en question de soi)." |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Fri 17 Jul, 2009 @ 3:35pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | The site uses about 3000gigs of bandwidth a month and uses quite a bit of the Core 2 Duo 3.0 with 2 gigs of RAM and requires about 320gigs of space (2x with backups)... I don't mind paying for that but if you have another suggestion let me know.
As for me using the word 'Open Source', I still believe that's what it is... There is 'Closed Source' where people can not see the code and 'Open Source' where people can. There is nothing more to it. This site is OPEN SOURCE. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sat 18 Jul, 2009 @ 12:16pm |
| Coolness: 131530 | yea but noa, there are some "sources" that you have available but under request . this isnt opensource its proprietary . |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 18 Jul, 2009 @ 3:55pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | You mean the config file which has all the passwords inside of it... Yeah I keep that hidden... I also keep some other files hidden which have nothing to do with the site... |
| I'm feeling nuclear right now.. | |
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