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"pre-Mastering"
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karpe a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 11:28am |
 Coolness: 36810 | If you know some good website,tools,hardware,software, for pre-mastering.
When I finish a song, I seperate each layer one by one Drum, synth,bass, snare etc... After I polish and have fun with program like acid or cool edit to improve the sound quality. For sure is impossible to optain the sames quality of a real studio. But I want to know if you know good website, you explain, the best way to pre-masterize each layer. I begin to be crazy, with other cd (angel of disorder) the person who mastered my music, say to me the best way is to record on cd and listen in different source, like car, pc, good sound system, cheap one, club, etc. A good pre-mastering, is you are able to obtain a good rendering in different source. Is a good tips for sure, but damn I can't count how many cd I use just for one song. even i'm not very happy about the power of kick and snare and voice often not really clear. anyway thank so much ! I very appreciate ! :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nitrous_N2O a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 11:56am |
 Coolness: 125335 | For me I use Cubase and the L2 (Wave Bundle) for mastering.
Give good results... Rewired with Reason. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 5:05pm |
 Coolness: 201135 | I think what you are doing is called "mixing".. Not pre-mastering.. I don't think there is such a thing..
Mixing in studio terms is not the same as mixing in DJ terms, though... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 5:07pm |
 Coolness: 84845 | especially since 99% of the samples you're using were already mastered theres a shitload less work to do then if you were mastering tracks that you recorded live. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 5:09pm |
| Coolness: 201135 | you still have to do a lot of mixing even with samples/acapellas/etc...... If you are using a sampling in a song it is not in the same context and you might have to do a lot of adjustments to it.. If you are lifting something straight from a source and not doing anything to it or putting anything on top of it you should be drug out into the street and shot though... :D |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 5:16pm |
| Coolness: 84845 | mixing isnt mastering, and are you refering to adjusments in production? cuz that aint mastering either |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karpe a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 6:50pm |
| Coolness: 36810 | well is simple, ive got 1 wav track with all sequence of kick
another example 'hats' another one specific synth, another voice. You can call it mixing for sure. I not change order of sequence just polish sound quality of each track for a final touch. when everything is complete, now time for mastering in studio. this could give me sometimes around 8 to 15 different layers. I test some them in good sound system and the rendering of some layer is not the perfection. maybe with experience and my hears I will find the best way to give a real good sound power to each layers. For sure, some layer Is adjusting, like if I found the bass to high or create noize, I change the volume. Some layers are recorded from external source other with software like cubase, reason, depend what kind of sound I need. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karpe a répondu le Thu 24 Nov, 2005 @ 6:51pm |
| Coolness: 36810 | oh thank to answer and try to help :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SUPER_CHOQU a répondu le Fri 25 Nov, 2005 @ 11:22am |
 Coolness: 51005 | the first thing you should do isnt finding software, vst etc,
What you should looking for is books about sound engineering and physic, And then look for tools. Its the only, fastest and cheapest way to get proffessional result . hope this will help :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nitrous_N2O a répondu le Fri 25 Nov, 2005 @ 11:43am |
| Coolness: 125335 | Wise words |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karpe a répondu le Fri 25 Nov, 2005 @ 12:56pm |
| Coolness: 36810 | ooooh cool thank super choqué ! yeah i'm newbies on this skill try to learn because is so much fun
and when u doing by your own, you can have a real personnal finish, more then if friend do it. I will try to find books during the weekend about this subject. I'm sure theory and practice will be a good evolution for me. for sure, this help me a lot, often lol I work on one song 6hour, and after when I test in club or anywhere, I am so disapointed to see that i'm not good at all lol. for sure each time I try, I learn more and more. thank a lot ! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kalymero a répondu le Fri 25 Nov, 2005 @ 2:21pm |
 Coolness: 56435 | izotope 3 hum the last they released is really good for after-track mastering...there is not really mastering to do when you make a track...just check what is the frequency of each samples you use and try to make a good EQ who is like a horizontal line with no curve in it ;) and the kick will be a little low level of volume than the rest but you absolutely need to ear it (compression) and for the full EQ with the horizontal line with no curve at -3db is the best because before 0db is the silence :D and the frequency of your hat up the 15hz frequency you dont really ear it but it will add punch to your hat !
hum and for effect each samples i suggest you to effect each samples in somthing like kontakt or sound forge etc...and put it after in .wav format in your sequencer ! and don't forget NEVER add effect when your track is not finish...i mean...put effect on your thing if you want to check what it will do...but save the patch you made and quit this effect....NO EFFECT DURING THE TIME YOUR MAKING YOUR TRACK AND NO EQ AND NO MASTERING...do all this at the end ! and sorry again for my english ^_^ |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Sun 27 Nov, 2005 @ 4:21pm |
| Coolness: 201135 | NO EFFECT DURING THE TIME YOUR MAKING YOUR TRACK AND NO EQ AND NO MASTERING...do all this at the end !
I don't really agree, I find it is better to always keep in mind the balence and sound quality while you are working on your track, and to try and fit each new part in with the overal sound. But everyone has their own methods... Personally I need to use effects while I am working on a track because I need to know the final quality of the sound, some effects like delay can even change the sense of melody and such in certain parts and it's important for me to hear that. I think the best suggestion really though is to not use too much FX or EQ.. Only use it if you need it. and after when I test in club or anywhere, I am so disapointed to
see that i'm not good at all lol. You probably need good monitors, they will give you a better representation of the sound. You also need a good room, if your room is very small and square shaped (I had one like this), then you are going to get a strange sound no matter what. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karpe a répondu le Sun 27 Nov, 2005 @ 10:02pm |
| Coolness: 36810 | yeah I think is the best a lot different variable can play with the sound, for creation I prefer, to play like ScottyP with minimum fx , because change melody,depend so much what you want at the end. I don't think is good or bad way for creation. My room is large but need to be better in monotoring, I think almost the time I loose my time because need to improve some aspect. Too create is okay but when enter in the phase of sound improvement,polish, is really a scrapt. A lot of your informations will help me for sure. The best is too have lot of fun and acquire experience. Ive got no time this weekend, to check for a book, but i will do soon.. I think all this different variable will help me a lot.
thank you cool guys |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» timmytork a répondu le Sun 27 Nov, 2005 @ 11:36pm |
 Coolness: 49580 | [ www.tweakheadz.com ]
has some usefull info on this site. Also "Modern Recording Techniques" is a good book to have no matter what. Now practise and listen....over and over... try getting or even copying the same "sound" or energy of your favorite tracks. Compare them and try listening to your music not as a song but as....hmmm dont know how to explain this...frequencies, tonalities. And then smoke crack!!! iill get yah high!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kalymero a répondu le Wed 7 Dec, 2005 @ 9:04am |
| Coolness: 56435 | scotty p ... think what you want about not puting effect during a track but i have these recommend from sound enginer and from great UK producer so... as i say think what you want !
i explain why they tell me this.. it's because when you add effect before the end of your track... you don't really see the true time & space of your track... the frequency your track really need... so don't put effect and see where you can add some (where frequency let you do it) ! it's all a mater of frequency and the way you choose your sound... you can add sound only when frequency let you do it... you could make the worst track but with good sound and a good frequency your track will sound very good !(for a track who where worst ^_^) in fact... if you make really good sound choice... your track eill doesn't need so much mastering ! so don't add effect until your track is not finished up and put it when all the sound of your track is in the track and ready for a mastering job (i mean before you take each layer out for individual layer mastering and before the real mastering) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» timmytork a répondu le Wed 7 Dec, 2005 @ 1:50pm |
| Coolness: 49580 | vadgine!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni a répondu le Wed 7 Dec, 2005 @ 8:20pm |
 Coolness: 87485 | Sometimes an effect can be used in a way that affects both the musicality of the track and the nature of the sound itself. In such cases, it is essential to have the effect "on" as you work on the track. Of course, having more subtle effects like reverb (when it is actually used in a subtle way) turned "off" to work on your mix can give you a better idea of the balance in the different frequencies, but any drastic effects, in my opinion, should always be left "on" if you really want to know where you're going. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Thu 8 Dec, 2005 @ 3:36am |
 Coolness: 299235 | UQAMMMMMMMMMM |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni a répondu le Thu 8 Dec, 2005 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 87485 | :) |
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