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Banned From Ritual Gathering By Otkun Pachu'A Powwaw
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» wutang replied on Wed Aug 7, 2013 @ 10:31pm
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Hello,

there is a psytrance festival called "ritual gathering" and I got a ticket for it in the first round. They were 45$ but then recently I saw on fb the volunteering tickets were 50$. I asked on the event if this was a mistake and I got this reply in a private message from one of the promoter, someone I have never spoken too.



Conversation started July 10
7:24am
Otkun Pachu'a Powwaw

hey t es la?
7:26am
Otkun Pachu'a Powwaw

alors c est simple ! tes commentaires a 2 pieces tu les garde pour toi et ton copain *******. Je suis assez cool de te laisser revenir dan smon dancefloor apres tes commentaires de merde a notre sujet ya quelques moi *croit pas que j ai oublié, le spetits comme toi sont dure a oublié donc soit content d avoir ton tiket a 45$, parceque si j te rencontre sur le terrain j risk de le reprendre. Sur ce , c est la derniere fois que j vois un de tes commentaires sur mon evenement, sinon j viendrai te dire bonjour la prochaine fois BYE smart ass
7:27am
Otkun Pachu'a Powwaw

ton billet a 45 tu l a eu parce que c etait des tickets a promo ya 6 mois ! les benevoles payent 50$ car ils n ont qu un shift de 6h comparativement aux autres festival qui est de 12h donc fait le calcul mathematic si ta encore un cerveau

pis si ils voulait le ticket a 45 fallait l acheter ya 6 moi, maintenant c est 120$

ca me fait meme chier de perdre mon temps a t expliquer un truc aussi basic

mais j ai l impression que ta bien du mal a assimiler des trucs

en tt cas t avise plus a me faire chier, j ai plus de temps a perdre avec des petits caves come toi et *******

faites un free party pendant le rituel ca nous evitera de voir vos tronches et filtrer un peu le dancefloor de ses parasites

aller bisou et a la prochaine sur un dancefloor, on en reparlera
8:40am
Otkun Pachu'a Powwaw

parfait le message est passé on dirait ! que j te revois passer devant moi mec



I would like to know if the ban is still in effect as this could avoid me a few hours of driving round trip.

Please advise.
I'm feeling festival right now..
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Thu Aug 8, 2013 @ 5:31am
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tu va vraiment te laisser crosser de 45$? tu devrais y aller même si c'est juste pour lui faire regretter.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Thu Aug 8, 2013 @ 9:04pm
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Originally Posted By DYNV

tu va vraiment te laisser crosser de 45$? tu devrais y aller même si c'est juste pour lui faire regretter.


What he said.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Mon Aug 12, 2013 @ 11:44am
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What a cunt
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 12, 2013 @ 12:44pm
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Wutang, aren't you the dude that I always see at these out-door things, just chilling and dancin', takin' it easy ? ... you always seem calm, and having a good time.

To be treated like a first-rate shit-disturber, is a little rough o_O

If I were you I'd just sell my ticket -- unless of course your comments were super douchy and insulting and that's why dude reacted the way he did :P lol

Anyway, you'd think that promoters would be a little more diplomatic with their 'regular clientele' ... heh. The dude could've just answered your questions the way he did, publicly, minus the meanness. That way he would've saved face and a 'client'.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» wutang replied on Tue Aug 13, 2013 @ 2:10pm
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hey Nathan, thank you for the kind words. I think I saw you at hardtimes festival playing last, it was great ! That was such a great weekend.

I will probably sell my ticket and I always try to stay diplomatic on the internet since everyone can read it.
I'm feeling festival right now..
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Aug 13, 2013 @ 2:36pm
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Originally Posted By WUTANG

hey Nathan, thank you for the kind words. I think I saw you at hardtimes festival playing last, it was great ! That was such a great weekend.

I will probably sell my ticket and I always try to stay diplomatic on the internet since everyone can read it.


No problem, I call it like I see it ;)

Thnx! Was definitely a good Fest -- all fun, no bullshit, hehe

Yeah, at least when you do the right thing, you can't blame yourself when others get bitchy :P
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Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew replied on Tue Aug 13, 2013 @ 4:41pm
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I find it funny how you only put ot's responses and none of your comments. Hes a good guy and I doubt that was unprovoked.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Tue Aug 13, 2013 @ 10:27pm
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Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW

I find it funny how you only put ot's responses and none of your comments. Hes a good guy and I doubt that was unprovoked.


Not the first time I see Ot'kunt flipping out at people and hurling threads like this. Despise what was being said before a promoter should never ever talk to any of his patrons this way.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Tue Aug 13, 2013 @ 11:15pm
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I would have understood if the promoter wrote/said something like:
* you can't come to this event
* I've just let the ticket seller know we'll make good for your ticket refund
* let's hope I don't have to ban you from another event
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Wed Aug 14, 2013 @ 11:50am
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Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW

I find it funny how you only put ot's responses and none of your comments. Hes a good guy and I doubt that was unprovoked.


Well, even good people can overreact and fuck up sometimes ;)

Doesn't take anything away from him as a person, just means he should've remained zen and professional as a promoter ... when organizing events, you have to separate the two, as hard as it is.

Once in a while promoters let their emotions get the better of them, and that doesn't bode well for their clientèle. Not judging, just stating facts ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Sat Aug 17, 2013 @ 4:05pm
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What are the comments you actually posted Wutang? It will be nice to see both sides of the medal just for the record.

But yeah, if you simply asked why the Fb volunters tickets was 50$. It's overreating...(a lot).

Also like Nathan said, maybe the promoter is just a bit stressed with everything going on.

Anyway, go to the festival, im sure it's nothing if you simply asked this question. Talk to the promoter if you see it (haha good luck, hes probably running everywhere) and say it was just a question, no insults involved.

Give us a sitrep after!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Wed Aug 21, 2013 @ 12:29am
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Wasn't there an uber drama thread about this guy before? + 1000 coolness points to whoever finds it!

Might have been on facebook tho
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Human_Notepad replied on Thu Aug 22, 2013 @ 12:57am
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On a side note, how was the event?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» wutang replied on Tue Sep 17, 2013 @ 6:44pm
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Originally Posted By M-A-X

What are the comments you actually posted Wutang? It will be nice to see both sides of the medal just for the record.

But yeah, if you simply asked why the Fb volunters tickets was 50$. It's overreating...(a lot).

Also like Nathan said, maybe the promoter is just a bit stressed with everything going on.

Anyway, go to the festival, im sure it's nothing if you simply asked this question. Talk to the promoter if you see it (haha good luck, hes probably running everywhere) and say it was just a question, no insults involved.

Give us a sitrep after!

I only had 1 post done asking if there was a mistake on the price of the volunteering ticket. I have never spoken to him or event sent a message. To be honest, there are more harsh words towards me but i just cuted it because it was too long.

Part of the other side of the medal comes from maybe like 9 months ago, some people were complaining they didn't get paid or he was owning money to them but he kept deleting those post on the fb event so i said "it's easier to delete a post then assume it" which also got deleted, so maybe some anger was still remaining...
Update » wutang wrote on Tue Sep 17, 2013 @ 7:30pm
Edit: actually i didnt cut it, the extra harsh words came at a later time
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Bad [-1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew replied on Wed Sep 18, 2013 @ 3:31pm
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Oh come on....

Psy festivals for the most part dont make money. In fact they are a money loser. They are put on by ppl who live and die for the scene and are willing to make huge sacrifices and work hard for NO financial reward. DJS get admission plus one. Rave djs who download music for free then get to play at an event, and bring their girlfriend, should not complain about not getting paid. Its a community event and everyone contributes. Get over yourselves djs YOU MIX CDS FOR 90 MINUTES??
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Wed Sep 18, 2013 @ 11:20pm
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nice try
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Good [+5]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sun Sep 22, 2013 @ 3:08pm
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Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW

Oh come on....

Psy festivals for the most part dont make money. In fact they are a money loser. They are put on by ppl who live and die for the scene and are willing to make huge sacrifices and work hard for NO financial reward. DJS get admission plus one. Rave djs who download music for free then get to play at an event, and bring their girlfriend, should not complain about not getting paid. Its a community event and everyone contributes. Get over yourselves djs YOU MIX CDS FOR 90 MINUTES??


Could you be a little more insulting?

First, any decent DJ works hard at their art, and not all of us DL tracks for free (and some labels offer their tracks for free, no harm no foul) - I've bought hundreds and hundreds of records, CDs, and digital tracks - not to mention the cost of blank CDs (or USB keys) for playing out digital tunes, plus Headphones, which need to be purchased every year or two. Don't forget the transportation. Also, if it's a full weekend thing, beer, weed, FOOD. And of course, the person's TIME.

You're telling people that we just play some music for 90 minutes, and that's worth nothing? Try having a party WITHOUT any DJs (ie. no music), see how much fun you have dancing.

If it's a free party and the DJ voluntarily plays, fine, it's their prerogative - and we can say it's for the greater good. But, if there's a hefty cover charge, and you don't pay the DJs AT ALL, then that's fucked.

I run a '4$ at the door' night, and still pay my DJs.
I've thrown '20$ at the door' raves with less than 200 people, with all the typical costs involved, and still paid my DJs, knowing full well I was just adding to my debts.
It's the right thing to do. Period.

But go ahead, take us for granted, and you'll find that certain promoters won't throw events anymore simply because no one will play for them anymore. And if they've been losing massive amounts of money all the time, then they have to re-think their strategy - just not paying DJs is NOT a solution.

I mean fuck, doesn't seem like a "community event and everyone contributes", seems more like a promoter throws shit together, DJs pay to play, and the ravers pay outta their ass to get in. I see the overall "contributions", I don't see any viable "community" ...
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Good [+4]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Wed Oct 2, 2013 @ 2:48am
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Hello? I pay my tracks, I put the fucking time to learn to mix, I buy gear, I promote my crew as hard as I can. I fucking love music. It's pure passion. So, you understand that I need to get paid in order to make the whole thing work! When you come to a 64hz party, there is a good soundsystem, there is a good venue, there is security, it's not overcrowded, it's quality, it costs a fee and it doesn't lose money because it needs money to roll! And everyone gets paid! So the tickets are not 5$ either and, (drumroll), pretty much everyone is happy with our events, that we throw now and then since 2007. No drama. No bullshit. No crap.

When I played Eclipse, I was paid. I'll play there again. If I play St-Jean Bassiste, I know they'll pay me for my performance because that's how it works. I need fucking money to buy the tracks and gear so I can make some more. That's how a scene lives and thrives. At the first Totem I got 90$ and free entrance just for a damn door shift. That is called profesionnalism. It includes that you book good artists and show them some money (not that much. Strike a deal with me. I'm down for playing for 50$, even less, but I'm not a musical bitch that will just throw my time and money in the hope of playing for free just for ''love'')

I played Pandemonium last year and I had to fucking pay a bus trip ticket to get there and NEVER SAW A PENNY. This is how a scene dies. I'll never play those shady parties again. I know I'm just some local, barely visible techno DJ, so the fact that I'll never play there doesn't have any impact, but soon enough other artists will get fed up and leave. What will be left is poor quality. People who will just get there and do anything with the sound.

I am fucking dedicated to this music thing! Just because someone throws a huge party with massive overbooking doesn't mean that everyone should just get there and work\play for free just because they love it. Good luck with keeping that scene alive because it will be all eaten up by shady promoters that actually do it for their own goddamn image if nobody starts doing things properly.

If the promoter makes money, he can throw more parties. He pays the artists. They can buy more gear\music and make more music that you will want to hear. You got to water the flower if you don't just want it to die in an ocean of stupidity.

Been there, done that! Would you work for free just because you love your job? Well, not me.

In other news, why do psytrance parties are a ''money loser''? Overbooking, fuck! When you see 36 headliners in an event held in a forest near Montreal, Canada I think you can safely assume it's going to lose a damn good chunk of money! Maybe if the megalomania was tuned down a little...
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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Choda_Bean replied on Thu Oct 3, 2013 @ 6:50am
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Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW

Oh come on....

Psy festivals for the most part dont make money. In fact I am a loser.


:D
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