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Music Prod On A Low Budget
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HighdroXy replied on Sat Apr 28, 2012 @ 5:56pm
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hey i need some tips , i want to get into production , but my budget is short, i saw an imac g3 for 30 bucks, is it any good ?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Sat Apr 28, 2012 @ 5:57pm
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well... you could probably run a tracker on that... otherwise... no not really
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HighdroXy replied on Sat Apr 28, 2012 @ 6:01pm
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Thx apreciate the quick reply , lets say i want to put 200$ , wat could do it ? i dont want to run any dj software , i want to produce psytrance and records sets , any idea ?

this might be in my budget

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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sat Apr 28, 2012 @ 7:37pm
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You can make music with two spoons and a tape recorder ... but, if you want quality electronic music, all you need is a decent computer that can run the program you want to use (ie. Ableton, FL studio) properly without crashing when you put alot of sounds/effects/VSTs ... (so what you want is a good sound-card and lotsa RAM)

I doubt 200$ is gonna get you a good enough PC/laptop to run today's software.

But, y'know it's more about how you use and EQ your sounds more than how much money you put into your gear. People made great techno 15/20 years ago without the help of top-of-the-line equipment and software ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2012 @ 7:58pm
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Is this what they call "zeTrolling" or is he f0r s3r1ou5?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Sat Apr 28, 2012 @ 8:31pm
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200$ for your audio workstation? You better call Kenny Loggins because you're in the DANGER ZONE!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HighdroXy replied on Mon Apr 30, 2012 @ 10:23am
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Originally Posted By BR34TH3

Is this what they call "zeTrolling" or is he f0r s3r1ou5?


no trolling . gathering info .. thats all ..but .. u know, if i could get descent tips from kode-six, one of my main inspiration ; )
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Mon Apr 30, 2012 @ 11:14am
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Here's a good tip despite the fact i am not Kode 6:
Save up because 200$ for audio prod is not gonna get you anywhere.
I've made a list of gear I put in order of priority:

Computer: 500$ to 1000$

Audio interface (sound card): 250$ and above

Studio monitors (speakers): 350$/pair and above

Midi keyboard: 150$ and above
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Apr 30, 2012 @ 11:56am
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Originally Posted By SOURULTRAFAST

Here's a good tip despite the fact i am not Kode 6:
Save up because 200$ for audio prod is not gonna get you anywhere.
I've made a list of gear I put in order of priority:

Computer: 500$ to 1000$

Audio interface (sound card): 250$ and above

Studio monitors (speakers): 350$/pair and above

Midi keyboard: 150$ and above


yep ... that's for a good decent set-up, double or triple that for an awesome home studio. On top of which, add another *bare minimum* of 600$ for software if you don't like pirating ....

But, here's the ghetto version, if you don't mind imperfections, pains-in-the-ass, and having to become a fucking production genius in a quick way in order to abuse and make your crappy gear work well :

Computer: 400$ to 800$
Soundcard (not great, but probably better than on-board laptop soundcards): 100$ to 200$
Headphones (instead of monitors) : 80$ to 200$
Use your computer keyboard as midi controller/keyboard: free!

That's the cheapest functional set-up you can get, unless you get everything second-hand and deal with the ensuing problems .... and it's still 2 to 4 times what you wanted to put in.

So, as Sour says, start saving them moneys dude! ;)

(like i said, you can potentially make music with anything, but it depends on the music you want to make, the quality of the end product, and just how frustrated you want to get while dealing with shitty gear - heh)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Mon Apr 30, 2012 @ 12:44pm
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Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN

Computer: 400$ to 800$
Soundcard (not great, but probably better than on-board laptop soundcards): 100$ to 200$
Headphones (instead of monitors) : 80$ to 200$
Use your computer keyboard as midi controller/keyboard: free!



that will work out very well too

also if you have an old casio keyboard with a Midi output lying around, you can use that too.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Wed May 2, 2012 @ 4:21am
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if you're on a budget... maybe just find a used pc... ideally something dual-core w/ 4gb ram... decent pair of cans and you can get to production... having a buddy who has a decent interface and monitors can be helpful if you don't wanna shell out a month's worth of paychecks... do everything you can with what you got and finish up on the proper setup.

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[ www.moogaudio.com ]

boom and boom, you're about 150$ over budget but anything less and you'll be spending more time freezing tracks than composing...
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HighdroXy replied on Wed May 2, 2012 @ 11:14pm
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Used pc , is a prety good idea.. i got a bunch of friend who has '' monitor '' etc... but i dont want to be anoying or something , so ill probably buy my stuff eventualy .. lil by lil ... thanks to you guys , i very apreciate it .
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed May 2, 2012 @ 11:57pm
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The most important thing about music production isn't your gear, it's your drive and passion.

If you want to make music because you want to make money and maybe be famous, fuck off, because you're a tourist and we don't need any more tourists watering down our already shit standards.

But if you have PASSION, if you have DEDICATION, if you hear these sounds in your head that you want to hear come out of speakers, if you have something inside you that words can't describe, only music, then you just need a 15 year old 486, an SB16 and a copy of Impulse Tracker and you can make music, as long as you're dedicated and passionate about what you do. There was no Ableton or Logic Studio in 1970, but Kraftwerk still made amazing, revolutionary and completely ground-breaking music. Poème électronique was composed in 1958 before anyone else even thought of using computers to make music. No "music programs", no trackers or sequencers existed, but he had a drive to do something and he did it.

You're posting on the internet, I'm guessing you've already got a computer. You don't need the latest top-of-the-line gear to start working on music, or even to make great/amazing music. Sure, the tools help, but the single most important tools in music production/creation are your drive, passion and creativity.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Thu May 3, 2012 @ 11:39am
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Well fred, it can be frustrating for some to have their creativity and drive castrated by equipement... if you have an idea for a tune in your head, it is ideal to be able to express it before you forget it. It's a problem I see with a lot of people starting out in production... they get lost tweaking a patch of fine tuning effects and they lose track of how the whole tune sounded like in their heads. They eventually lose their drive and passion... although they still have lot's of creativity... they're just not able to express it.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu May 3, 2012 @ 11:50am
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Passion and dedication is 75% of what powers musical production but on the other hand, try to bike your way to Mexico on a flat tire (analogy for working with suck-ass gear), you'll probably give up before the Can-US border. Let's also keep in mind that the material Kraftwerk used to produce their musical revolution probably costs more than a used PC and a copy (or cracked version of Ableton and working working with a tracker (Impulse, Renoise, etc) can be verrrry frustrating for a beginner. And having to freeze tracks after 4 musical ideas specially for a beginner? You better work on that passion, fwiend.
Anyone here ever tried to tweak automations using ASIO multimedia drivers because ASIO4ALL is not compatible with the chiopset? Believe me guys, it sucks.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Omni replied on Thu May 3, 2012 @ 1:00pm
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Anybody here was producing music 10 years ago? What were you working with? Is there any particuliar reason why that wouldn't work today? Doesn't saying that you need a recent computer setup invalidates all music that was produced years ago on older stuff? You'd probably be surprised to learn that some of the best music ever made was produced on ultra-ghetto equipment.

By the way, I just recently bought a new laptop to replace my previous one, which I had bought in 2005. I did all my music on it since then and did all my live shows with it without any problems. The equivalent of that computer can probably be bought today for about 100$.

Having limits or constraints, I find, can actually drive creativity. You learn to use what you have to its fullest and can creatively overcome technical limitations.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Thu May 3, 2012 @ 1:09pm
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Originally Posted By RAWALI

they get lost tweaking a patch of fine tuning effects and they lose track of how the whole tune sounded like in their heads.


I saw this in a comedy, the guy kidnap a big-shot producer and force him to make hits from the songs he made on a cassette voice recorder humming, making sounds and signing a bit, it sounded horrible but the basic idea was there.

Originally Posted By Omni
Anybody here was producing music 10 years ago? What were you working with? Is there any particuliar reason why that wouldn't work today?


Or better yet you start with that ^ before making it better with modern stuff that kill ideas on a not-so-good system.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HighdroXy replied on Thu May 3, 2012 @ 11:36pm
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i have passion , drive , and those sound in my head ? are there everytime ... the thing is that those sound are made ... whit good equipement ... and i know that ... i am a musician born , and i dont intend to let money and fame screw it ... like screwhead said..

I just want to produce music to get people into MY world , and no one can do that exept me...

I got FKN bored of mixing , so i guess its now time for me to move on , and get the money like u said

and i dont want my track to sound oldschool , i want it to sound good ;) not that the music that was made 10 to 20 years ago isnt... i mean this is not my goal ..
Update » HighdroXy wrote on Thu May 3, 2012 @ 11:42pm
and for a bunch of haters ; ) u guys are prety helpfull ; )
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri May 4, 2012 @ 1:06am
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Originally Posted By OMNI

Anybody here was producing music 10 years ago? What were you working with? Is there any particuliar reason why that wouldn't work today? Doesn't saying that you need a recent computer setup invalidates all music that was produced years ago on older stuff? You'd probably be surprised to learn that some of the best music ever made was produced on ultra-ghetto equipment.


Not that I've ever really made anything worth releasing, but I've been producing since 1995/96. Started with Impulse Tracker on a 486 DX/33. 8 megs of RAM cost over $500 at the time. There was no Piano Roll, no VST effects, no plugins. You had to manually make your patterns by knowing the pitches/octaves, and you made flanger/phaser effects with hexadecimal code changes, because there was no such thing as "drawing" automation. If you wanted to change the volume of a sound, you had to manually go to every instance of that sound in your tune and change the numerical value associated with that particular sample.

Sure, new equipment helps, and yeah, I know all about getting lost tweeking something and then getting fed up and not continuing tunes.. But every time I ever got a better computer and better sound gear, I ended up making LESS music, because it's too easy to get lost in all the options. It's great if you're a perfectionist and know how sound engineering works, but when you just want to make something, sometimes having limits and constraints works better.

So, you get a massive Mac with more RAM than you know what to do with and get a $1500 sound card and some $20,000 monitors.. And then you load up Logic studio and... you stare at it, because you have no idea what anything does. When you learn how to drive, you don't start off on an F1 racer going 200mph. Learn the basics before going up the ranks. If you've got a computer right now, and it's not a computer from the 1990s, you should be able to run SOMETHING that will help you learn how to make music without the need to invest any more. Once you know what you're doing and you need to expand, THEN you can go spend some money on new gear. But up until then, you've got to learn to crawl before you can learn to run.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Fri May 4, 2012 @ 12:54pm
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I started getting serious in musical production around 2002 and yes I was way more inspired and productive back then on my P4. I had a an Echo Layla 20 bit PCI sound interface back then. I was dabbling with electronic music, but my principal use was for band recording and composition (bass and guitar). Before that, I was using a Fostex X26 4 track tape cassette recorder. What a piece of shit it was. Screwhead mentioned the darnest thing: I started doing less and less music as I upgraded my P4, but at the time I was digging more and more in electronic music and I found myself discouraged by the high value level of production out there. I'd start a song, compare myself to let's say Venetian Snares or Noisia and weep and whip myself over what I created, drop the whole song thinking I'm wasting my time, everything I touch turns to shit, At least today I can tell the difference between what has potential and what should I scrap.
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