Space Gathering 2009
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Thu Jul 2, 2009 @ 2:32pm |
 Coolness: 92340 | yA c cool,je faloir etre en forme je dj de 3h15-4h30(chill stage) samedi apres-midi,
et de 4h30-6h sur la playa,je vais courir non-stop lol Hate en criss elfes and freakos see ya all in da woodz! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Sun Jul 5, 2009 @ 8:50am |
 Coolness: 166485 | ahhh nous on part demain (lundi) pour commencer a monter le party, on va avoir plein d'éclairages, des structures, de la déco!!
je viens de terminer un nouveau dome spécialement pour ce party! :) j'ai tellement hâte! :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Sun Jul 5, 2009 @ 4:51pm |
 Coolness: 229585 | jarrive mecredi ou jeudi avec mon stuff! Ca va etre Male Add! |
| I'm feeling psyche add a lick ah right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Unam replied on Sun Jul 5, 2009 @ 8:22pm |
 Coolness: 65695 | c est mon party de fete en fin de semaine!! :d
cant wait! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Wed Jul 8, 2009 @ 2:34pm |
| Coolness: 229585 |  a little structure for the partay |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JEE3.14_agricole replied on Wed Jul 8, 2009 @ 2:55pm |
 Coolness: 107145 | thats perrrrrrty! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Jul 8, 2009 @ 6:40pm |
 Coolness: 509470 | I am driving up alone so if anybody needs a lift, let me know! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Wed Jul 8, 2009 @ 6:53pm |
 Coolness: 2603895 | I might need a lift... Think of me!!! When are you leaving? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Jul 8, 2009 @ 9:49pm |
| Coolness: 509470 | I wanna head out early friday afternoon so I can get a good place...
I got a few PMs already tho so try to confirm with me asap... I actually have 3 places available, but that would be 4 people in a 4 person car.... so tightnesss |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JEE3.14_agricole replied on Thu Jul 9, 2009 @ 10:49am |
| Coolness: 107145 | i like thightness.. hehe |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Thu Jul 9, 2009 @ 12:38pm |
| Coolness: 2603895 | I don't work Friday so I can leave whenever... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Fri Jul 10, 2009 @ 12:02am |
| Coolness: 92340 | ca commence demain encore une fois j'encourage tout lr monde
a venir celebrer de la bonne musique et passer du crisse de bon temps! peace, see u dans le bois! ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nads replied on Fri Jul 10, 2009 @ 4:47pm |
 Coolness: 88910 | i met ben at st. jean and he was more then willing to let me come even tho i didnt have the cash, i guess i judged too early. I still stand by my suggestions but now know that he isnt trying to make money and is just tring to cover the costs. but hey shit happends |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Thu Jul 16, 2009 @ 7:29am |
| Coolness: 166485 | yeah and seriously you got to know how much an event like this costs in money, time and effort. it's been 8 months we're planning, making meetings, reserving electricity, sound, artists, etc... and we're not getting paid, we're doing it because of the vibe, because we believe.
40$ in advance, for two main headliners, a lot of really talented local djs and bands, 4 days of camping and sick deco is REALLY cheap, you know, compared to some parties in montreal that last only one night. come and help out next year maybe nads, if you can't pay at the door. we arrive four or five days in advance on the campground and leave two or three days after. it's like a retreat. :) |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk replied on Thu Jul 16, 2009 @ 9:50am |
 Coolness: 29725 | 45$ in advance is like 2/3rd of what I paid for a full weekend at northtek, and 75$ at the gate is more expensive than all I paid for spending the weekend at northtek all included.
I'm a newcomer here, just arrived from europe, but it seems this event has a bad reputation, and I've even witnessed some dubious acting from people linked to space gathering in a way or another, with lack of respect for the people attending, for people organizing other parties,... If you were really doing it because of faith and vibe, there would be no paying of money involved in it. And by you I don't mean you namaste as an individual cause I've seen you dancing at st jean basstiste, I mean everybody having a role in the event. I tend to dislike hypocrisy and to me there's hypocrisy to say on hand that people are doing it for the love of it and on the other hand to charge for access and transportation and praticipating in the event. I'm quite curious to know how much money was collected and how it was spent. Oh and don't take me wrong, I'm only criticizing in order for you to have feedback and be able to improve. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Thu Jul 16, 2009 @ 12:16pm |
| Coolness: 92340 | first of all,space gathering is held at a real camp site that was rented and had 2 headliners
(u know how much a 2 way ticket from Australia is???)nortech didn't have any headliners so they can risk not renting a location! loads of bands like Apadorai,monokongo ect,40 dj's,a temple with tons of seminars,soundmen not to mention equipement that got a heavey dose of rain & mud and the fact that it rained saturday which meant that lots of people didn't come..so less ticket sales at the door! Beleive me the people involved do it because they do beleive in da vibe,i know it seems to good to be true but ya! peace! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Thu Jul 16, 2009 @ 1:20pm |
| Coolness: 166485 | sabi pretty much sums it up yeah.
money was spent on; - generators - renting sound equipment + sound tech that was present all weekend - paying camp site (we rented the whole camping for a week, including time to set up and time to take down everything) - 2 headliners, one from australia and one from B-C (mostly for the plane tickets, and also some food and other normal accomodation) - other transportation of equipment and working people - djs, bands, and workshop and conference people (not an outrageous pay, but still something because we want to aknowledge their work) - deco and general logistics (stages, tarps, lights, etc...) - promo (flyers and posters) - and then 5$ by ticket was a direct donation to the association of the dalai lama. i'm not in charge of the budget so i don't know exactly how much was spent where. i can assure you though that no one in the organization made money, only the people providing services (sound, electricity, camping, etc). we also try to look for companies that are worthy of encouraging. one of our goals would be to make a festival powered on alternative ecological electricity. it did not work out this year but we're still on the lookout. free parties are really fun but they don't compare to space gathering. it's a whole different feel. every year we try to become more sustainable, more autonomous. we still rent stages but we build the covers and we now have them for the years to come. as the festival gets bigger though, there is always more stuff to think about, to spend the money on. charging door price allows party organizers to create things free parties could not do. i've been involved in free parties as well as in paying parties. if you get involved, a free party means the same thing as a party with door price : work and fun. only at the party with door price you actually have a lot more to work with. people have higher expectations and you must give everything they expect, and more. it allows the party to be a tad more 'professionnal', it raises the stakes higher, and it creates a lot of challenge for the organizers. that is something we really like... i don't want to get into an argument here, but i hope you understand the difference. peace. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumFuk replied on Fri Jul 17, 2009 @ 4:28pm |
| Coolness: 29725 | sabi, I hope you don't mean that a "real" campsite is a place where you have to pay to be allowed to camp, cause in my understanding a "real" campsite is actually one that's not a business.
I do understand that there are people involved in space who do it just for the sake of it, but I'm pretty sure the "owners" of the "real" campsite are not, and the airlines either and so on. And how can a DJ pretend (s)he's doing it for the love of it when (s)he's paid to do it ? By restricting access to the party you can put a price on it, and if you put a price on it, the party becomes a disposable commodity out of reach for people without enough money thus corrupting the values put forward by the event. namaste, I haven't been at space so I don't really know about the different feel you're talking about but on the other hand I've been involved in free parties in Goa and Europe, I was part of the people behind events such as karnageval and nuit des meutes in France, and also participated in making 25,000+ people events (mostly teknivals) possible. All these were free to attend for all because we believe it goes against our vision to turn partying into a commercial good, we are supporter of free culture for all. And i can tell you for sure that we did create those things that you say free party can not do, but as I said I'm a newcomer here and I'm still learning about how things are done here, but from the discussions I've had it seems the free party / freetekno movement is not big here and people tend to have prejudices against free parties and putting artificial limits on what's possible in a free party, I'm not used to that kind of thinking, yet. From where I come there's no distinction between organizers and people attending, all are part of a whole which means everybody is part of organizing and can contribute. For example, I find it weird to pay to rent a campsite when it's legal to do any non-commercial activity on crown land. IMHO there's no way this festival is ever gonna be autonomous and sustainable if it relies on renting a place and planes to get djs from other parts of the world. Also there's no need to have a pay-to-attend event to raise your expectations or the stakes, actually I find it's the other way around, the stakes are higher when you're trying to achieve something without money and forces you to be more creative. I'm not trying to get into an argument either and do understand the difference between a free party and a commercial/professional event, what I don't understand is how you can fuel a system that's causing harm to us as individuals and as a whole while claiming you're aiming for something else.At the moment, I fail to see how this is "participating to the spiritual elevation of the community" how can there be spirituality when there's money involved ? at the moment, it looks more like it's depriving people from being self-responsible, free and autonomous by taking their money and trying to take charge in exchange. Well anyways, enough of this before I overstate myself, which I tend to do when it's about something that really matters to me. Originally Posted By NAMASTE
one of our goals would be to make a festival powered on alternative ecological electricity. it did not work out this year but we're still on the lookout. you probably know about this already but just in case: Do you know about pantone engine modification ? you can use this for more efficient power generator that will use 50% to 85% less gas, we modified power generators, trucks engine and cars and had a few workshops to teach people how to do it. have a look at [ www.onpeutlefaire.com ] We also make use of solar ovens when weather agrees with it, sorry i don't have the construction plans available, but you can find some on the internet [ www.onpeutlefaire.com ] It can be used to cook food or to boil water to make electricity. If you have access to water current you can have a DIY waterwheel, we've only discussed this one and have yet to actually do it, but the idea is to charge/recharge batteries that are then used to power anything that can run on batteries. It can also be done by harvesting wind see [ www.onpeutlefaire.com ] For a fraction of the cost of renting them we build our own speakers DIY style, many plans available on the web to start with. To move water around the site we use hydraulic rams we make ourselves with salvaged parts see [ www.onpeutlefaire.com ] the list goes on, but I think you already know all these. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Sat Jul 18, 2009 @ 4:29am |
| Coolness: 166485 | hehe we don't have as many qualified volounteers as we wish for all this stuff.
we are in the process of learning. :) personally this year i built a geodesic dome with the stage opening, and my next step is to build our own riser stages - can you believe the rental company charged an extra 600$ for two days late and some damage that happened in the festival... i don't know how much the rental price was originally (i'm not the budget person) but i'm sure we can build our own stages for cheaper. so yeah that is my mission, and if you have any good advice to share on that i'd like to hear it. we want a 2 ft rise, that is good for all weathers and that is durable. i want to make something as close as possible to the professionnal risers that we rent... not just 2X4 with plywood because that will deform with rain and humidity... :) we actually had a good contact for off-the-grid electricity, something to do with magnets i think... but it was not as reliable as we would have expected... so at the last minute we had to find an alternative. and you know as much as i do, building all these things does cost money. you want to build stages, speakers, generators, structures and anchors, it is not going to happen with leaves in the trees and flowers in the fields. first you go to the hardware store... :) :) i think the do-it-yourself mentality is slowly installing itself because the team this year was different than the other years, more people got involved. there was a lot of shady stuff and lack of organization before.... the party was still good but some things made me seriously roll my eyes :p for the headliners - well - we want to give this opportunity to hear artists we don't always hear. i know a plane ticket is not eco-friendly, kind of like buying clementines from maroc instead of buying local :) but then all those travellers who claim to be ecology-oriented would be hypocrites. even david suzuki takes planes to make conferences... we don't want to be a local-artist-only festival. it is really fun to have someone from another country come and visit you, and being an artist myself i know the thrill it is when someone is willing to pay your travel expenses to hear/see your art. as the artsy person that i am, i don't have a lot of money, and when i can't pay the price of the festivals i want to attend, i just get involved. and when i say i get involved, i mean, i try to find the solution to these things and work really hard to make them happen. and then end up spending a lot more than the door price from my own pockets... and most people i see in the organization are just like that too. the festival started from an ideal, from a need to create something different and more colourfol and psychedelic than eclipse... but yeah... we give it time... it takes time and effort to be truely sustainable. and it is happening slowly. Update » AYkiN0XiA wrote on Sat Jul 18, 2009 @ 4:48am oh, yeah, and artists are paid because we understand that for an artist, it is a dream to be able to live off their art. and if we van help make that dream come true, just a little bit, than we bring something really good in the life of all these people. if we spend less on organization, maybe we can spend more on encouraging emerging artists. the more money they can make out of a festival performance, the less they need to spend time working, and the more time they have to create more. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Sat Jul 18, 2009 @ 2:18pm |
| Coolness: 92340 | Thanx Groubj!! for the useful information.
We all beleive that the ideal is party's to be free all the time(stuff that people in namast,me and about everybody do it all the time ;) But paying an artist is necessary because i've seen loads of talented artists stop performing because party people take it for granted that they shoulden't get paid. I've been djing and promoting for around 20 years now,and have met lotsa people that did teknivals & goa party's,but do you think everyone can afford a ticket to india to go to a FREE PARTY??,honestly a lot of these persons have rich parents or work as a barmaid in a sleazy bar to pay these travels,it's a perpetual cycle my freind. Looking forward to meeting you in the near future because you seem like a smart dude ;) PS;KEEP IN MIND THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION!!!! PEACE LOVE AND A BIT OF BREAD FOR THE ARTISTS LOL |
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