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Teachers Drop The Holocaust To Avoid Offending Muslims
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue May 29, 2007 @ 2:34pm
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and every religious person believe that he and his "brother" are right and that the rest are wrongs, and that why you get situations like in this article


Now, now, brother Anarkoid, that is completely false. Many? Yes. Most? Possibly. Every? You seem to put a lot of "faith" into what you're stating.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Tue May 29, 2007 @ 8:53pm
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Anarkoid replied on Tue May 29, 2007 @ 11:17pm
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Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP

and every religious person believe that he and his "brother" are right and that the rest are wrongs, and that why you get situations like in this article


Now, now, brother Anarkoid, that is completely false. Many? Yes. Most? Possibly. Every? You seem to put a lot of "faith" into what you're stating.


No need for faith when you have logic and reason on your side...

so you are basically saying that you could find a christian who think that the jews are right when they say that Jesus was not the Messiah?....
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue May 29, 2007 @ 11:31pm
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I'm saying that one can believe in his God and still respect your belief.

I don't believe any particular religion, nor the existence of a particular supreme being. I've met a man who was deeply into Islam but never contradicted my point of view. Probably the only unbiased religious conversation I've had. He believed I was right to believe what I wanted because it fit Allah's plans. I believed he was right to have faith in his God, if it made him feel better about the world.

Wars are never started by faith. This is bullshit. I cannot believe that one man will put others to death because of the belief in a deity. However, I do believe that religion is most often a pretext for war. Like Salem's witch hunts, religion is a tool of control and power.

You have to differentiate faith from religion. Stating that "all" religious people are negative and start wars over their beliefs is actually doing the exact thing you're accusing them of: discriminating and acting against a belief.

I thought the first principle of being Atheistic is rejecting illogical discrimination such as this. Rejecting a illogical leader and its set of rules and acting, as you yourself put it one day, "bright". Pointing fingers and blaming... not the way to start this.

The rule shouldn't be to abolish religion in schools. It should be to teach them all. They won't go away. They should teach, as soon as kids are able to understand, all religions and the fact that everyone is free to believe or not. THAT is the only way one might come to stop bickering over the same thing: wanting to be part of something bigger. Wanting to make sense of the world.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue May 29, 2007 @ 11:54pm
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I guess then that each of the 3 major religions having terms and conditions for religious wars doesn't count for anything. The christian "Just War", the muslim Jihad [ en.wikipedia.org ] and Itmam al-hujjah [ en.wikipedia.org ] , the jewish Milkhemet Mitzvah [ en.wikipedia.org ] ..

Atheism isn't really particularly about rejecting illogical discrimination, it's about rejecting theism and not believing in deities.

IMO, religion's "belief" that one should "do onto others as you would have them do onto you" should be taken as "Do onto others as they have done onto you", and religion should therefore be treated with all the hate, suffering and discrimination that they have inflicted on the world.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 2:57am
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Fred, what has religion ever DONE TO YOU [personally], for you to think that you need to treat it (and its followers) "with all the hate, suffering, and discrimination that they have inflicted on the world"?

(Yes, I've heard of, and read, about the four links you've posted...)

Again, I don't completely disagree with you about the obstacles that religions have created, for things like: Abortion, Gay Marriage, Human Rights, Feminism, or whatever... Which I completely support --especially pro-choice, because fuck... that fucking bitch, I swear... *sigh*
(zing?)

Anyways...

But honestly, how can you see yourself, or even other atheists, (or simply those who "aren't rejecting morons") being more non-violent, peaceful, tolerant, or progressive, when you blatantly condone the action of "punishing those who worship a God by penalty of death"? Through your logic, stating something such as that makes you no better than those who have comitted, as well as capable of committing those "crimes."

I cannot stress enough that Humans are violent by nature, and that even through the use of reason --regardless of its groups individual beliefs, or justifications-- that war, and violence will happen due to reasons other than a cause related with religion. This can be proved by simply looking up any war that doesn't have any religious connotations to it, i.e: The Vietnam War, Japan's invasion of Manchuria, or even the Napoleonic War(s), and ALL the major revolutions that resulted in the deaths of "fuck" knows in France, America, China, and Russia. Ask yourself: What do the 3 major religions have to do with those? Better yet, ask yourself what caused those wars, and then try to see if you can try to blame religion for them.

Now I am aware that atheism is the lack of the belief in a God or Gods, and that technically atheism isn't a religion; "world veiw"; dogma; or creed, and as a matter of fact is truly just a word.
I mean seriously, atheists apparently do not cause any wars, or persecute people, or violate our human rights... But on the same token, those who aren't believers of Gods, have caused the deaths of just as many, even if it wasn't in the name of "atheism."

Ughh. Whatever.
Update » Mico wrote on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 3:15am
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 11:17am
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It's not so much what they've done to me, personaly, as what they've done to the world that I live in that pisses me off so much. My "religious beliefs" go a little bit further than simple atheism; I'm much more a follower of the philosophy of Satanism (which has NOTHING to do with gods or demons)

I believe in strength, survival of the fittest, evolution. And to evolve, the weak must be culled from the flock before their deffective genes could be spread. For any kind of healing to occur, the cancer that poisons must be cut out and eliminated with extreme prejudice so that it never shows up again. Religion and religious "morals" have infected our society and minds and needs to be removed forcefully for our society to stand any chance at advancement. Just look at the subject of this thread; the fear of offending someone's religious belief is leading to a censorship of not music, not a movie, not a fictional story, but of HISTORY, and not just any history, but a MASSACRE.

I've never said I was more non-violent, peaceful, or tolerant. I believe that our world, our people, our species, is sick. When large amounts of people believe that an imaginary being rules their lives, justifies their murders and wars, justifies the forced seperation of people who love each other (and often outright preventing "outsiders" from becoming involved without converting), something needs to be done. When a person can claim to be "pro-life" and murder another without guilt because they're moraly justified, something needs to be done. When, by definiton, all religious people are psychologicaly unstable and beleiving fantasy to be fact and write out laws and moral codes based on those fantasies, something has to be done.

The Dragon In My Garage
by Carl Sagan

"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."

Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.


We live in a world where it's considered "ok" to have one psychological delusion rule our lives if it was written in a book 200 YEARS ago, when we were a lot less advanced and still believed the mystical and supernatural to be fact; but if someone murders people because he "heard voices that told him to", it's not attributed to god or satan, it is rather clear that the person is psychologicaly unfit and has something wrong in his head. Why the double standard? Religious people believe in omnipotent beings that they wouldn't have any knowledge or belief of if it weren't for being taught from a book writen by 2000 year old superstitions hippies.

Most people don't really follow the bible the way it was written, they aren't even aware of what the bible condones and implies when it comes to hate, murder and discrimination. Give this link a read, this is the kind of "positivity" that the bible promotes. [ www.nobeliefs.com ]

Now take into account that the christian bible, the torah, and the qur'an are all based off the same source text; many of the chapters in the christian bible are also in the torah and the qur'an. They are all based on the same hate and discrimination, and therefore must be treated in the same way that their believers treat others.
Update » Screwhead wrote on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 11:28am
I could start off another topic, but I'm going to post this here because it's relevant to the kind of absolute fucking stupidity that religion promotes.

World's first creationist museum opens in Kentucky
[ www.guardian.co.uk ]

The world's first creationist museum, which tells visitors the Earth is only about 6,000 years old, has opened its doors in the American midwest.

The Creation Museum claims dinosaurs such as Tyrannosaurus rex lived alongside ancient civilisations but were strictly vegetarian before the Fall of Man and that the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood.

Some 4,000 people visited the Kentucky museum on its first day yesterday while demonstrators protested outside and a plane towing a banner reading "Thou shalt not lie" circled overhead.

Critics say the $27m (£14m) centre, whose motto is "Prepare to believe!", will be the first museum in the world whose exhibits are almost entirely fake.

It is seeking to convince visitors of the truth of its belief in the account of the world's creation in the book of Genesis through a mixture of animatronic models and tableaux.

Mark Looy, a co-founder of the privately funded centre, said: "The guests were very happy with the museum experience.

"Of course, we had some naysayers come through and engage us in conversation, and that's fine - we want them." Lawrence Krauss, an author and physicist at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University, decided to view the museum first-hand.

"It's really impressive, and it really gives the impression that they're talking about science at some point," said Mr Krauss.

Awarding marks out of five, "I'd give it a four for technology, five for propaganda. As for content, I'd give it a negative five," he said.

The museum features hi-tech exhibits designed by former theme-park artist Patrick Marsh, including animatronic dinosaurs and a wooden ark at least two stories tall, plus a special effects theatre and planetarium.

Some exhibits show dinosaurs aboard Noah's ark and assert that all animals were vegetarians until Adam committed the first sin in the garden of Eden.

When Mr Marsh was asked to explain the existence of fossilised remains of man's ancestors, he replied: "There are no such things.

"Humans are basically as you see them today. Those skeletons they've found, what's the word? They could have been deformed, diseased or something.

"I've seen people like that running round the streets of New York."

Construction of the complex began with a prayer meeting for workers, all of whom signed a contract saying they agreed with creationism.

Ken Ham, the museum's Australian director, is equally defiant.

He revealed he had "skipped through" a copy of Richard Dawkins' latest book, but he said: "The thing is, Dawkins does not have infinite knowledge or understanding himself.

"He's got a position, too, it's just a different one from ours. The Bible makes sense and is overwhelmingly confirmed by observable science. It does not confirm the belief in evolution."
Update » Screwhead wrote on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 11:30am
And do yourself a favor, watch Jesus Camp, and then tell me religion doesn't need a complete and total elimination.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 12:34pm
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I'm much more a follower of the philosophy of Satanism (which has NOTHING to do with gods or demons)

I believe in strength, survival of the fittest, evolution. And to evolve, the weak must be culled from the flock before their deffective genes could be spread. For any kind of healing to occur, the cancer that poisons must be cut out and eliminated with extreme prejudice so that it never shows up again. Religion and religious "morals" have infected our society and minds and needs to be removed forcefully for our society to stand any chance at advancement.


That makes you religious. Since when is religion defined by whether you believe there's a dude in the sky? You don't have to have a deity to be a relgion. You have a set of morals and beliefs based on a philosophy written by someone else as you've just so clearly stated. There is NOTHING not religious about satanism.. nothing that isn't just as dangerous.

What exactly makes you think that outlawing religion itself would be any different from other religious people outlawing other relgions? How do you define a religion in the first place? Are you just gonna kill anyone who believes in anything? Such as you? What so different about outlawing the worship of a dude in the sky and outlawing the worship of idols? Why the HELL would a war started by satanists and non-religious be any better than a war by someone religious?

It would be the middle ages all over again except led by satanists this time. You talk about ending this shit, you just don't have a clue how. You really need to read more about history. It's just not gonna work. You're tlaking about ending the very cycle you'd be stregthening. But like millions of other people you believe that your cause is different and more just and that therefor it should work. It's completely illogical. You said you value logic over relgion so if for nothing else you should at least see that. You have no clue how idealistic and wrong you're being in thinking that this could help the world.

If you tell any relgious person in the world that their religion is bad and evil and promotes bad values... and point them out where and why.. I promise they won't stop believing in it. Because what you don't realise is people in general just aren't that stupid. if you believe in something you know what you believe, everything has a good side and a bad side and good poeple and bad people, there are countless contradictions in these 3 religions. Poeple who really believe that they should "love thy neighbour" are NOT gonna agree with bombing them. People can put these peices together themselves. What you present to us is just proof of how some very few and far between people with alterior motives use a persons belief to their advantage, nothing else.

You are the same, you just call yourself by a different name.
Update » moondancer wrote on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 12:37pm
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 12:47pm
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I have to agree with Moondancers here. Extremist Atheism is as bad as extremist religions. When you want to impose your belief over someone else, you're part of the problem.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 1:11pm
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As I'd said before, my "views" on how to deal with religion isn't so much motivated by the want to enforce my "beliefs" onto others, but by my belief that religion is a dissease of the mind that must be eliminated. Do doctors feel bad when destroying viruses or bacteria that are killing humans? Is it "wrong" to want to find a cure for aids or cancer? Would you let someone you knew that has ebola or SARS walk around a city unchecked, free to poison those around them?

If our society and species continues to keep those that have such defective brains that they believe in an imaginary being in the sky created everything and runs the world, decides what's right and wrong, then there is absolutely no hope for humanity to evolve past the point where we are now.

Watch Jesus Camp, and then come back and tell me that what these people are doing is anything BUT poisoning children's minds into believing that they have a right to kill in the name of god, because they're "right" and everyone else is "wrong".

It's even been identified recently that there are specific parts of the brain involved in "faith". [ www.cnn.com ]

My only hope is that now, religion will be seen as the sign of a deffective mind that it is, and that some form of treatment will come about to get rid of it in the same way we want to get rid of schizophrenia, depression, OCD, and the other plethora of chemical imbalances.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 1:17pm
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The only thing I have to add is that the people of "Jesus Camp" are a minority. A very vocal, annoying minority but a minority nonetheless.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 1:32pm
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Well it's fair enough that you consider faith and schizophrenia diseases but how will you get rid of them? What's the use of believing in this solution if what you say can never be implemented by anyone?

I will watch Jesus Camp.. but I'm telling you right now it won't change a thing because it can't possibly. You keep pointing out a few bad apples. I can point out a few bad satanists and atheists too, it doesn't change anything in the grande scheme of things. Since when were all psychos and abusive individuals religious? Do you listen to every moronic satanist out there? You believe in the basic principle but do you agree and believe in every line that an influential satanist fed you?

I've spent a shitload of time in my life putting christianity down, I hate it as much as you do. Attacking the innocent people who believe in it isn't gonna get you anywhere but down - and it won't work out for the good of the world either. Most of all, these 3 religions are.. only 3 religions.

what you say about how you don't want to enforce your belief on others but want to destroy them instead... think about what happens after they're destroyed and how you're gonna keep them at bay from believing again. Even if it was possible to get to that point, you'd have no choice but to enforce your belief on other people to prevent a resurgence of religon.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed May 30, 2007 @ 1:51pm
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i have the awnser for you all

humans are weak

kill ourselves

that is all
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 12:27am
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fred, why not take it one step further, why belive in ideology at all, political positions, 'morality', it's all crap, why believe in anything. Believing in shit is for tools!

this where i'm heading, NIHILISM BABY!!!!
it's where it's at.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 12:31am
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Those are the words I like to hear.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 12:36am
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It's possible to believe in things without the need for a crutch such as religion. We can have politics, morals and laws WITHOUT religious beliefs dictating what's right and wrong according to 2000 year old books. We're not living 2000 years ago. Granted there are still questions to be answered about the world and universe we live in, but I can guarantee you that that answer is NOT an imaginary being who rules over our lives and sends dead people to either eternal happieness or eternal suffering.

Were it not for religion, we wouldn't have situations like Bush claiming he was doing god's work by going to war in iraq/afghanistan. If we believe the US Govt.'s claims as to why/how 9/11 happened, that is also a religiously motivated act.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 12:56am
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but common why bother believing in anything it just sounds like so much more effort than not, besides what's really worthe believing in, capitalism (no!), freedom (no!) democracy (no!), none of these things are worth believing in.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 12:56am
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Oh come on man, I agree with you on so many points, but everyone knows that Bush isn't doing God's work, and that 9/11 has nothing to do with religion... at least to my understanding.

Sophia, in my opinion, said it best: "Religion was not the cause of all that, religion was simply a tool used to instill the necessary hate and fear needed in the population to carry out their greedy plans. It's not society that was modeled after religion it was religion that was modeled and modified after how they wanted society to be."
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 1:11am
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Yeah, did you even bother to notice how she contradicts herself in the first sentence of that?

"Religion was not the cause of all that, religion was simply a tool used to instill the necessary hate and fear needed in the population to carry out their greedy plans."


So, religion didn't cause anything, other than instill hate and fear to carry out the religious leader's greed? Yeah, that sounds like nothing to me.

"It's not society that was modeled after religion it was religion that was modeled and modified after how they wanted society to be."


Words spoken by someone that knows absolutely NOTHING about how society evolved into how it is today. Religion was the RULE. If you didn't "believe" in the dominant religion, you were deemed an immoral person and KILLED by those in charge. That is what our current laws evolved from, religious rules that were enforced by the church and the royalty. Marriage, that age at which you're considered "mature" enough to have sex, are just 2 examples of things that were created by religion to make more money.

Religion's sole purpose was to controll people by instilling fear into them. Sound like anything else? Oh, right, LAWS. Do something that we don't agree with, go to jail/get murdered by an "official" murderer.

If you honestly think that religion has not been single-handedly responsible for, at the very least influencing the biggest and worst acts of hate, then you know absolutely NOTHING about religion and it's origins.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 7:55am
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Wow that's some twisted accusation. First of all I didn't contradict myself. I was reffering to chrisitanity(not all religion) within the period of time that you were reffering to in the post that I was responding to. I was reffering to what a few bad people did. Now that you just repeated everything I said about that point in time you claim that it's the origin of religion. Wow. Religion didn't start there and neither did christianity. I don't know how you got this idea but its ridiculous and most people would laugh at you. Hard. How can you claim to know about the history of those times if you don't even know that they were trying to convert people who were already the followers of other religions? Even the christians faced prosecution at the hands of other religions at points. Stop talking about christianity like it's the only religion that ever existed.
Update » moondancer wrote on Thu May 31, 2007 @ 7:57am
It's almost as stupid as creationism to believe that. You're a few hundred thousand years off.
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