American Police State...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Jul 23, 2006 @ 12:34am |
 Coolness: 145135 | "None are more hopelessly enslaved than
those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe I would like to try to have a discussion concerning the looming american police state. Let's try to take this seriously guys, please don't participate in this thread if you want to make stupid jokes and endless verbal diahrea, ok, some of you are very intelligent and observant and i would like to get your perspectives on this subject. Let's try to have the main focus be on some of these ideas: surveillance, violation of the constitution, imperial aspiration, curtailing of dissent, the imperial executive, the place of the so called 'war on terror', propaganda and other means of social control, the perversion of the democratic process and possible avenues to discarding the democratic facade and installation of an authoritarian military dictatorship. Let's honestly try to get this straight what is the end goal for all of this and what will the consequences be. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Sun Jul 23, 2006 @ 3:21pm |
 Coolness: 103190 | looming.?
Bro its been a police state since 2001 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 1:45am |
 Coolness: 102700 | don't forget the Military Industrial-Complex and the US Federal Reserve |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 3:29pm |
 Coolness: 2603920 | Ontario is a police state... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 3:42pm |
 Coolness: 339600 | because they arrested you for drug possesion? grow up. |
| I'm feeling mordant right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 5:06pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | Possession = Possession of knowledge that the driver had weed on him. That is stupid. I had nothing on me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 5:47pm |
 Coolness: 146260 | if you know people who do drugs you should call the police immediately ! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 6:40pm |
| Coolness: 339600 | How can they know that it wasn't yours? |
| I'm feeling mordant right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 7:33pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | Cause none of it was found on me, and it was his car. Whatever the case they will fingerprint everyting and not find my fingerprints on anything, I'm not too worried about that. I just don't feel like going back there. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 7:58pm |
| Coolness: 339600 | If you had weed in a bag that belonged to you.. would that not be posession? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 8:48pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | Yes, that would be posession, but posession also means the posession of knowledge of someone having weed in their car. So if I'm in a car and the car smells like weed, and the driver gets in trouble for having weed and I knew he had weed in his pockets, I can get in trouble for knowing he had the weed. It's kind of wierd. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 8:50pm |
| Coolness: 339600 | You can also be arrested if you're boarding an airplane and you have illegal items in your baggage.. even if you did not put it in there. |
| I'm feeling mordant right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 9:18pm |
| Coolness: 2603920 | They found nothing in my stuff or on me, nor are my prints on anything. Anything inside someones car is to be the person who is driving the car. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Mon Jul 24, 2006 @ 10:13pm |
| Coolness: 339600 | Those are your rules.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jul 25, 2006 @ 2:05am |
| Coolness: 145135 | ummm could we get back on topic... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed Jul 26, 2006 @ 12:18am |
 Coolness: 150395 | lol... this thread went to shit pretty quick.
Even though I am not anywhere near being an expert on any of these subjects, I believe that I do have something to offer this discussion. With respects to Propaganda and Social Control: I saw a very interesting documentary last Sunday, on the Passionate Eye, called 'The Power of Nightmares: The rise of the politics of Fear' It's a documentary about two very different, yet connected, powers who, on one side, are fueling the War on Terror (The Neo-Cons) and the other, Islamism (Islamic Fundamentalists). The film draws on the parallels between the two movements, as well as giving a historical background check as to why America is in the position that it is (fighting "terror"), and how the Islamic movement (Islamism) has grown to where it is today... "To illustrate this Curtis compares the rise of the American neoconservatives and radical Islamists, believing that both are closely connected; that some popular beliefs about these groups are inaccurate; and that both movements have benefited from exaggerating the scale of the terrorist threat." This is a 3-part series that was aired on BBC 2 in 2004 and each part contains its own interesting points. Part one: "Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart?" Part two: "The Power of Nightmares continues its assessment of whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. Part two, the Phantom Victory looks at how two groups, radical Islamists and neo-conservatives with seemingly opposing ideologies came together to defeat a common enemy." Part three: "The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it." ANYWAYS, Part 1 of this series goes into great depth about this threat (Nihilism, I think) to our society and the criticisms of two important thinkers relevant to the issue. The first being Leo Strauss, who believed "the ‘gentle’ nihilism expressed in Western liberal democracies- was a kind of value-free aimlessness and hedonism, which he saw permeating the fabric of contemporary American society... were all implicated in the deterioration of modern society and philosophy." The second is Sayyid Qutb "who came to see Western liberalism as corrosive to morality and to society." To focus more on Strauss: "are "myths" needed to give people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? Or can men and women dedicated to relentlessly examining, in Nietzsche's language, those "deadly truths", flourish freely?" Could Selfish-Individualism destroy our society? What role should our Government play (if it isn't playing one already) in "keeping us in check?" What do you think? To put this more into context, you can watch the series (strating with part 1) off many websites such as: [ video.google.com ] Or read up on Strauss and Qutb... from whatever comes up on Google. P.S: I hope this is useful to your thread, and I certainly hope I am not being hackneyed, pretentious or egotistic. Update » Mico wrote on Wed Jul 26, 2006 @ 12:38am ... or completely ignorant, for that matter.
"He doesn't vote Liberal while he's young doesn't have a heart. He who doesn't vote Conservative while he's old doesn't have a brain." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed Jul 26, 2006 @ 1:56am |
 Coolness: 201160 | "He doesn't vote Liberal while he's young doesn't have a heart. He who doesn't vote Conservative while he's old doesn't have a brain."
Most young people go for the left when they are young because they are naive, and they think everything will be alright and that the whole world will live in harmony. People then switch to the right for security, to calm their fears over the problems and to take action. ALSO BULLSHIT. It's a bad idea to make such clear separations of political intent to left and right (and central). The truth is you have to deal with issues fluidly, in order to protect your own self-interests and your ass (otherwise some fundamentalist will fucking KILL YOU), but you also have to respect the earth and not fucking destroy it. And of course you need to give people the freedom to say what they want (including criticizing religions without the fear of BEING KILLED FOR IT). So I'm all for a Millitant Libertarian Environmentalist Secular movement. It couldn't be more simple. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Wed Jul 26, 2006 @ 3:07am |
| Coolness: 150395 | Meh... I was just quoting some guy, anyways. If you think it's bullshit, that's cool. *shrugs*
I was just hoping to put my post in context, to make it easier to understand and to answer my questions... regarding the topic. Now that I think of it, it's almost coincidental that you post what you did. The idea that what he said was "bullshit" and that "the truth is you have to deal with issues fluidly, in order to protect your own self-interests (etc.)" really helps me make my point a little clearer, and slightly easier to understand Nihilism. With that said, Nihilism is the idea that: "Every belief, every considering something-true," Nietzsche writes, "is necessarily false because there is simply no true world" Perhaps to kick start this conversation (because I actually want to understand, everything); is the idea that we need to follow our own Liberal ideas constuctive towards bettering our society? Can Nihilism (ironically) rebuild our community? ... or should we rely on Noble lies? P.S: What is the Millitant Libertarian Envinomentalist Secular movement? It sounds rather complicated. Update » Mico wrote on Wed Jul 26, 2006 @ 3:12am The Fate of Destruction is the Joy of Rebirth!!
-The Tag line to my favourite movie- |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Jul 27, 2006 @ 12:16am |
| Coolness: 145135 | i agree with mico,
in the vain of Neitzsche, we must remember that "language falisfies and distorts reality" whatever that may be... i think one of the clearest signs of authoritarian police states is that their idealogical bogey men ( or women in this case) are alowed to run wild unchallenged by intelligent and critical people, this becomes all the more acute when it becomes obvious that this writter+thinkers are quite obviously hacks with little or no deep understanding of the subjects on which they write and speak... notice anne coulter " She has all the charm of a rattlesnake. She has all the compassion of a New York City subway mugger. She has the evil intelligence of Eva Braun. She has the diction of a recovering alcoholic. The manners of a twitchy recovering drug addict. She uses her anorexic sex-appeal to charm Neanderthal men (and some women) into believing her outrageous lies and falsehoods. (The real question is does she lie or just not know?) Anne Coulter is like the boorish relative that you hope doesn't show up to the family reunion. Anne Coulter is like the car crash that you saw on the high way that you hated to see, but looked at anyway. Anne Coulter is a symptom of what is wrong with this country and the so called 'Main Stream Media'. Filled with postulating hypocrites blowing their opinions rather then the facts acting like the flame that draws the moth in closer and closer. America is not served by having Anne Coulter and her genre of deficient 'intellectuals' flaunting their lack of knowledge from venues as banal as Fox News. Her grasp of history is extremely weak. Her writings are filled with biased and wildly inaccurate tangents that make her the darling of the right who push their brand of 'reality' onto the unsuspecting public for their own gain. She is part of what people that still think call 'the Right Wing Echo Chamber'... No, Anne, Canada did not send troops to Vietnam. The reason why Anne hasn't gotten back to the Canadian journalist is because Anne Coulter exists in a venal world dancing to her masters tune and she doesn't have to admit that she is wrong. Such asmissions would easily fill their own rather large book. Sure to be a best seller to all thinking beings in the once great nation known as 'The United States'. Other examples are far to numerous to list here..." frome [ urbandictionary.com ] |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jul 27, 2006 @ 12:46am |
| Coolness: 201160 | I've met plenty of people who are hardcore left that are just as outrageous as anne coulter. The fortunate thing is they are NOT on television or writing books.
She's purely for entertainment. |
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