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What Time Is It?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 10:12am
aykin0xia
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who controls time controls life.
who controls the time of society controls mostly everything.
our calendar presently is going nowhere, and so is society...
what time is it, really?

do you know where our gregorian calendar comes from? seriously... it is disgusting that we still use that corrupted system as a basis for our society - no wonder everything is so fucked up!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 10:13am
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time is calculated as space movements, hence our materialistic 3d view of everything. time is seen as an endless line of past/present/future. but where is this heading to, we don't know, humanity somehow think they are making progress in technology and the materialistic field but this time line is a grant of endless insatisfaction because this 'progress' never ends.

i think it is time we look beyond materialistic advances, and start seeking our truth as living beings - what are we here for? i see so many gadgets these days, people with cell phones and i-pods and everything, and you know, it all separates us from each other and the possibilities of life. it isolates us into our own little world and closes us from the people around you and what they could bring to us, it is simply ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL... keeping us from reaching the unity that makes us strong as human beings.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 10:37am
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this is imho:
control yourself and give yourself to the graces
don't talk about control when you are continually
giving up control of your nervous system to drugs
when you haven't mastered your vital organs
we are all small. you seem ambitious
and this will get you kncked the fuck down
or just keep feeding the feelign that you are anyways
it's important to break free from one's self
technology is a tool and we are in symbiosis with it
it is great to have archetypes of natural living
but we must face the world as it is now
and understand every litlle aspect of it
in order to better understand ourselves
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 10:38am
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party time?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 10:50am
aykin0xia
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to madeskimo:

uhh i don't see why would i get knocked the fuck down. i don't feel i am knocked the fuck down. i live my life happily and stuff, yes i have ambitions but they are not about changing the world by myself. i want the people to come together that's all. there are many people like me out there and we don't get knocked the fuck down...

i'm a raver too, so i wouln't spit on technology - yes we are in symbiosis with technology... as long as we use it intelligently. it is the mis-use of this technology that makes me sad. it is wanting to speak with someone on the bus, but realizing they are all either speaking on their cellphones or listening to loud music on their i-pods. and feeling isolated because even when we are all together, we manage to isolate ourselves in a little world of technology.

i think it comes from fear of the unknown that we all have to get rid of in order to progress, but that is constantly re-enforced by everything they feed us.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 10:58am
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i knew this was about bonding with people on public transport
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 12:04pm
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I understand what you are saying Namasté
Yknot have a good explication on the no- sens
of the calender I let Him explain that ;)
soon

Love
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 12:08pm
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madeskimo - it is not simply only about this - it is about LIFE. can you understand?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» YKNOT replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 12:14pm
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A pro-conspiracy view is that the institutionalization of the Gregorian Calendar at the end of the sixteenth century was accompanied by the perfection of a mechanical clock and an unprecedented consolidation of European global political power. In this complex of events, an artificial 12:60 timing frequency was established as the unconscious timing principle governing the dominant human Consciousness. By 1618 A.D., 36 years after the Gregorian Calendar reform, the source of all of modern science, the European scientific revolution was being launched. The entire premise of this revolution was unconsciously conditioned and shaped by the artificial 12:60 timing frequency.

The “artificial 12:60 timing frequency” has nothing at all to do with any “natural rhythms” present in the world; nothing to do with Nature; does not recognize or acknowledge any “higher authority” than itself. “Punching the timeclock” became a ritual of obeisance to this artificial timing overlay; a “pledge of allegiance” to this imposed man-made structure by which corporations run the lives of their employees and customers.

Was this system put in place, consciously to displace the more natural system? There is no reason to think so; yet the effect is the same -- to do away with any relevance in human affairs of more natural cycles and rhythms, including the 28-day lunar cycle that would give us 13 months instead of 12 each year. By the Gregorian calendar, there's no pulse, no rhythm, that relates to the phases of the moon, so those phases appear to have no relevance to our living.

Likewise, some folks speak of a 4-day cycle; 4 doesn't fit smoothly into a 7-day week, but it does fit perfectly into a 28-day month. By the 4-day pattern, there are days well-suited to Beginnings, to Growth, to Healing, and to Peace and Completeness. By the 7-day pattern, there are 5 days suited to Work, one to Recreation, and one to Worship or Rest -- just different enough to obscure our awareness of the existence of another rhythm we might align with and perhaps disproportionately heavy with allegiance to the company and to productivity.

It's been suggested that this artificial imposition of rhythm on human living, and the corollary idea that “time is money”, together produce or allow human beings to conceive of a great deal of activity that is intrinsically unethical and/or immoral. It conditions human consciousness to believe the Clock is King, and Nature is irrelevant or at least insufficiently relevant to be turned to in its natural state for provision of anything needful for human survival -- and thus, the idea that “Man must conquer Nature” for the sake of survival itself exists in the minds of some, perhaps the minds of most.

Mechanical time displaces our awareness of rhythms that are greater than our own human activity, and leaves us disbelieving that there is Magic anywhere to be found. Human beings trample on daisies as a direct result of this, perhaps. It may be no trivial matter at all to entertain the idea of restoring consciousness of natural rhythms to human affairs.

The con-conspiracy reply is that “One might wonder if much of the discussion about time, calendar numbering, and the like has to do with the current advocacy by Mayan Calendar enthusiasts that the only thing that will save mankind (and supposedly womankind inasmuch as saving mankind without womankind would be a contradiction in terms), is a return to the 13/20 calendar system (which in terms of questionable natural qualities may be near the top of the list).”

Why is the 12:60 timing unnatural? The Earth-Moon distance is 60 times the radius of the Earth. “12” is considered the most holy number of heaven (“7” is the most holy on earth). Meanwhile “5” is the symbol of life in Sacred Geometry (fundamental to Phi-lo-Sophia) and connects 12 to 60 in an obvious way.

There are other connections. 360 is obviously close to the number of days of the year (and may have been the actual number of days of the year in ancient times -- based on evidence from dates prior to about 1500 BCE). But it gets ever more interesting. 360 can be divided evenly by all of the digits (other than 7) -- whereas 100 can only be divided evenly by 4 of the digits (instead of 8 digits for 360). 360 is also connected with 60 -- the number of degrees in an astrological sextile -- while of course, 12 is the number of zodiacal signs, houses and so forth.

Also, two times 360 is 720 which is 6! (i.e. 6x5x4x3x2x1). Three times 360 is 1080, which is the number of degrees in a regular octagon, and the radius of the Moon in miles. Three times 720 is 2160, the diameter of the Moon and 1/12th the number of years in the Precession of the Axes (25,920) of the Earth. The sum of 720+1080+2160 equals 3960, the radius of the Earth in miles. Meanwhile, 7! (7x6x5x4x3x2x1) is 5040, which is the sum of the radii of the Earth and Moon in miles. Also 12!/8! equals 11,880, the sum of the Earth radius and diameter in miles. All of these numbers reduce to 9, as does, of course, 360. You can even point out that 13!/9! less 12!/8! equals 5,280, the number of feet in a mile. So there!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 12:16pm
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planet earth is my public transport
and uhh
bonne chance
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 1:02pm
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there is not 13 moons in a year though.
a moon is not 28 days, from one full moon to another it is closer to 29.5 days.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 1:12pm
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On m'a déja dis que le calendrier des
sorcieres est de 13 mois.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» YKNOT replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 1:13pm
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That is called a sydonic month you are right it is 29.5 days
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 1:51pm
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SHUT UP YOU FUCKIN' HIPPIES!!!

like how can a fuckin' calander be corrupt?

is it killing jews or something?

are you dirty mushroom infested hippies that bored with bush bashing that you make up even stupider shit to complain about?

like jesus fuckin' christ...

it's a fuckin' math equation that gives us rough idea of what time it is....

if you got a better one... feel free post it and inform the rest of the world of you astrological brainstorm...

oh yeah... and you gotta be smart enough to imply it too!!

until then kindly shut the fuck up because you really aren't saying anything inteligent...

there will never be a "perfect" clock/ calender (at least not in our lifetime), because we have no control over the velocity or tragectory of planetary rototion or orbits... so it really doesn't fuckin' matter as long as day time stays light and night time stays dark.

so ya....

DIE HIPPIE SCUM!!!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» beercrack replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 1:55pm
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not how i would of said it.
but yeah murdock!
hehehe
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 2:22pm
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it is actually quite simple, murdock, so you don't have to feel like you have to treat people of hippies and tell them to go die because you don't understand. here, let me explain it in simple terms.

31 + 28 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 30 + 31 = 365
unequal mesures, based on the ego of ancient roman leaders.
in the original calendar, all the months were 30 days, and it left a five day period for perceiving the taxes.
you probably saw before that september, which means seventh, is actually the ninth month. and october (8 ) is the actually the tenth. and november (9) is the eleventh. and december (10) is the twelvth.
that is because one year there was a big fuck up in the calendar because the roman emperors loved to manipulate the calendar so they could perceive more money from the people, so much that the spring was now in the fall! so one year cesar decided to put the calendar back in place because time was too fucked up, and this year is known as the year of confusion. there was the months unidecember, duodecember. really fucked up shit.
and then there was the calendar reform, the julian calendar, with alterning months of 30 and 31 days. and cesar took the central month and named it after him. and then the emperor who came after him, augustus, was jealous and wanted to have a month to his name too so he renamed one as august and he wanted to have as many days as cesar so he took one day from february and put it to his month.
but still this calendar got fucked up after a couple hundred years and the pope gregory, helped by good mathematicians and astronoms, created the 366th day every four years. this is known as the gregorian calendar, and it is the one that is is viguor right now.

(13 X 28 ) + 1 = 365
equal mesures in relation to the moon and the sun, and a day 'out of time' dedicated to festivities, worldwide peace through culture. every moon comes with a purpose, which completes an action process in a year.
i mean - why wouldn't we give it a try? it's much more simple and efficient than the fucked up fuckedupness of cesar and friends.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Marie_Poppins replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 3:04pm
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ca fait réfléchir ca ;)
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 3:29pm
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so you think i'm wrong for saying that there is no benifits in changing the way the whole planet tells time at this particular point in history?

the way i see it is that... yes... the gregorian calander is inacurate and based on alot of facist rulings and jesus hocus pocus and what not...

but when it comes down to it...

it gets the job done alot easier than setting up fuckin' stone henge in your back yard, and whats the point of exchanging one "semi-accurate" equation for another if you are just going to achive the same mediocre results?

if it ain't broken...
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 3:40pm
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Consider the numbering system itself as concept. Division of time is inadequate as time is indivisible, all we do is slot out and portionalize a conceivable aspect of something that does not exist. All concepts are just concepts. Language, symbols, ideas, thoughts, spirit, mind, body, soul, god, time, space, all of it is human construct, deniable and outside the scope of nature.

We know time to be inexistant, we force it INTO existance by making it concept. We know space to be incalcuable, we force it to be calculated through concept. We know that reality exists within us yet without us it also exists, where and when are perspectives focused on within the realm of human concept.

We do not need time. The trees and the animals and insects and earth exist without it. They care only about living each moment in the now. Only the now exists, the now and the here.

The most accurate time divisional calendric system on the planet was utilized by the civilizaton Maya. They knew that the keeping of numerical time was irrelevant to the flow of it, they were observers. They kept a whole slew of systems so they could determine the cycle of things, NOT so they could divide time. They studied the flow of nature, they learned from the patterns of life, the shapes and motions of things, the cyclic repetitiveness of revolving orbits and orbiting revolutions.

Sunspot cycles, polar shifting, animal skin patterning, lunar affectation, infinite energies and flows.

The original symbol for God was a glyph of a circle over a pie symbol over another pie symbol surrounded by flames.

Infinity is represented by a sideways figure eight, broken down into two conjoined circles or infinite arcs merged and twisted.

The only way for humanity to come together is to believe in infinity everything. Now, we see things very big and very small, very thick and thin, very light and heavy, very bright and dark, very animate and inanimate, we see polarities and opposing forces, cause and effect, we see everything as being on the one side or on the other.. What we need to see, is the connection, the bridge, the between, the joining.

Between cause and effect is ACTION>
Between everything and anything is RELATION.

Relativity is only relative when it RELATES!!

Accepting the societal programming is and has been the major factor misconstruing our "minds" since we were born. What we think and what we say becomes reality. What we FOCUS on and accept is the REAL. REAL is unreal nowadays. Take a look into the dictionaries, every definiton is inept, both positive and negative meanings, completely incapable of defining something infinite.

How does one define time? How does one define space? How does one define emptyness? How does one define spirit?

We as a species were never meant to go this route. Our vocal chords and voices were not meant for word based language, they were only meant for singing, for harmonics, for natural melodic sounds to accompany feeling projections.

Feelings are the color, shape, tone, texture, idea energies we emit when we communicate, they are auric energies that we transfer across to each other as "feelings" accompanied by words. The words are the barrier. They, due to our education convey a second layer of "feeling" a thought concept construct foundation which is almost always contrary to the feelings behind them. Humanity has not been trained to "feel" properly, we've been taught that the biomind superpowers do not even exist by those who know they exist and seek to keep the development of them secret from the masses who slave to keep the societal cogs turning so those who have the power can keep the power.

The media system is influenced heavily by the message system which serves to solidify furthur the mental construct web which has enslaved our minds for so long. We are now coming out of it's grips but until we gather in groups and agree to do things differently en masse, we are fragmented into singular individuals who are stuck with mere pieces of the unique whole of our capabilities.

Time is irrelevant to everyday existence. It is a human constructed concept. Both day time and hour time do not exist, numerical representations of it only reinforce the mental cage costruct of our inability idea to transcend it. We do transcend time regularily, we travel through it, we intuit the future and the past, we move through time liquidly and only because of societal programming do we believe that we do not.

I will teach you how to deconceive the construct web in your psyche and begin to interpret the truth in natural ways based on the laws of infinity. I am connected. I am the connection.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» earthyspirit replied on Wed Apr 5, 2006 @ 3:42pm
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measure is concept.
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